It's such a weird take to come into a thread about Sony to say it's not the biggest company in the world... like yeah no shit
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The last 2-3 FYs basically wiped those clean and with digital revenue, PS is looking to make a lot of profit for the foreseeable future. Esp since they made record profits during making a loss with hardware.
Sony would have to royally mess up PS5.
For people confused why Electronic Products & Solutions had a greater profit margin than PlayStation, keep in mind that business includes Sony televisions, home theatre equipment, cameras, headphones, and other devices. It is kind of an umbrella kind of business since it includes so many assets, and it makes sense that that business made a ton of money this year.
Well I don't think Sony profits will be quite as high this gen than last gen. You can exclude Bethesda games from the revenue source and if more Publishers get bought out by MS, Amazon, Tencent or Nintendo, that revenue will shrink further. In the end, it'll have to be 1st party that has to generate more profits than ever before to sustain more revenue this gen
Publishers being purchased does not necessarily mean games will stop coming to the system with Amazon and Tencent for example. Also a publisher is going to weigh a potential loss of market if they are getting purchased for exclusivity. A potential lost sale of a Bethesda game that is not on the system can be substituted for another game from the consumer perspective. Predicting revenue and profit as a zero sum game such as this does not make sense for those reasons and more.
Goddamn at the PS3 losses
And the PS2 was still selling like crazy at the time, the PS3 was a massive money sink
Matching PS4 launch is great but this is counter to the narrative last month about it being the biggest launch ever with all the implications around that.
PS4 falling off a cliff was kind of known from the shortages in the various reports from the weekly tracker threads. But as in those threads, I do not believe it's a covid or mfg issue, Sony is dropping 4 for 5
PS4 falling off a cliff was kind of known from the shortages in the various reports from the weekly tracker threads. But as in those threads, I do not believe it's a covid or mfg issue, Sony is dropping 4 for 5
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Glad you could crawl out from under your rock to give us your quarterly review of this tiny company. Please don't leave Era for anything more lucrative or philanthropic. Your talents are better used here on a forum to talk down to "game fans"
Guys, just so you know, Sony is clearly not in the same league as Google, Microsoft or Amazon, these results aren't that good.
Well it really depends on what you're talking about. Is it gaming revenue? Yeah then Sony's definitely in the same if not a higher league. But if you look at what those companies are worth and at what Sony's net worth is then it's true that Sony's not on their league, like at all. They have way more money to "burn".
So much to digest, lol.
So it matched PS4 launch, not bad. Really curious about the BOM now.
Regardless, dayum, so many records, firsts. An in demand product that cost more than their last console. Sony swimming in money right now. Despite Covid issues.
Wow. And once again, good job with the OP ArmGunar
So it matched PS4 launch, not bad. Really curious about the BOM now.
Regardless, dayum, so many records, firsts. An in demand product that cost more than their last console. Sony swimming in money right now. Despite Covid issues.
Wow. And once again, good job with the OP ArmGunar
Hey, If Sony becomes an even bigger company they can abuse their market power even more to generate even higher profit margins and screw up customers. There is a reason that the government has an interest in splitting up those huge conglomerates.
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
I don't think anyone on earth thinks they are in the same league as those companies.
Nah, when it comes to how their services and hardware do the only numbers they release as far as I'm aware is Game Pass subs and occasionally Xbox Live MAU.
This graph is shocking.
Goddamn at the PS3 losses
And the PS2 was still selling like crazy at the time, the PS3 was a massive money sink
Also this means that PS5 will be the first time that sony will be making a profit on a console launch? and not only that but the most profit out of any year, thats actually insane.
Goddamn at the PS3 losses
And the PS2 was still selling like crazy at the time, the PS3 was a massive money sink
It's absolutely crazy that Sony is making record profit during a console launch. Insane.
But we know this is there biggest quarter ever and highest FY profits ever. We also know they are selling more games than ever. Seems like a reach to imply PS is becoming more healthy as a platform. Just the fact they had a huge profit despite a console launch and hardware production issues points to the health and stability of the platform.
You can estimate anywhere between 3M and 3.5M for XBS from hardware revenue. Depends on how much you think XB1 shipped in Q4.
Yes you can. You can even play online multiplayer in F2P games like Fortnite.
Bethesda alone isn't going to drop revenue. There are tons of other games that can and will pick up the slack, on top of any new fortnite like success story that we don't know of yet.
Holy shit I read some other responses and people really pushing some weird narratives
Gaming division made profit when PSP launched. So second time.
Edit. Looking at that graph FY2011 was also just about profitable and that was when Vita launched. So third time lol.
thing is, at the same time we are seeing that majority of those that buy the first party cross gen games, are already buying them for PS5 (in the UK for example, 75% of Miels Morales physical sales were on PS5, Sackboy was 90%, while even some 3rd party games like Hitman sell 50% of their physical units in the UK for the PS5 version), install base is not a good indicator of sales potential. in the end most of the people who buy Sony's games early on are still part of the first 20m console owners, and that is not necessarily a bad thing mind you. They are just those that are more invested in the platform and in the games they have to offer.
And in the end of the day, many of those PS4 owners will migrate to the next generation console. They will end up buying those games regardless.
Wow, those numbers are all over the place. If you add up all the numbers individually, you get 15.2 million units. If you add up all the FY totals + the three quarters of FY20, you get 15.1 million. And then for Sony's total up top, it says "More than 114.9 million."
Yeah, it is probably a mess of rounding in each quarter leading to different totals than the actual.
If they shared data like Nintendo which goes to the 10K range, then this issue wouldn't exist.
Sony's 1st party output keeps multiplying in sales each gen and that won't stop anytime soon.
We also don't know how many studios will be bought by Sony. We know they are looking and Bluepoint is a given already.
It's not like everyone else is acquiring and Sony isn't doing that.
About the Bethesda games...i'm sure Sony didn't really get much from them anyway, specially during the PS4 gen. They will be fine.
New generation, new records to break. Hopefully they get the stock shortage situated sometime this year.
Crazy that it's doing so well during a console launch. PS3 burned money and it was even worse because their TV division was also bleeding money at that time.
Goddamn at the PS3 losses
And the PS2 was still selling like crazy at the time, the PS3 was a massive money sink
So knowing $499 model is sold at a loss, how much of that do we think is due to retailer cut and R&D? They sold PS4 at a small loss, like $15-$30, in 11/2013 but by summer 2014 were already profiting per unit. How was this done? Manufacturing costs didn't go down, it must have been R&D costs right? Like they paid it off, and no longer factored it into every unit sold?
My guess is the rumored $450 to make cost is accurate, add 10% cut for retailers ($45 per unit) and they're already at $495.
I am looking forward to not just a slim model in 2023 (3nm plz and 40% smaller plz!) but whatever Internal revisions they make to the launch model in 2021-22 to reduce costs.
they made minor changes in the PS4 in 2015 and reduced price by $50 a year before going down another $50 for slim so I imagine fall 2022 is the first real chance of a price change.
My guess is the rumored $450 to make cost is accurate, add 10% cut for retailers ($45 per unit) and they're already at $495.
I am looking forward to not just a slim model in 2023 (3nm plz and 40% smaller plz!) but whatever Internal revisions they make to the launch model in 2021-22 to reduce costs.
they made minor changes in the PS4 in 2015 and reduced price by $50 a year before going down another $50 for slim so I imagine fall 2022 is the first real chance of a price change.
Well they chose not to ship more PS4 consoles. You cant find a new one online.
and now in 2 years they made more money than all the PS3 had lost to them throughout a generation.
Then next fiscal year they got Horizon, God of War and Gran Turismo 7 which will all be huge sellers, plus subs dont seem to stop growing either.
Yep, they seem be doing just great.
Ludostrie's thread about Sony financials (in French)
Main takeways :
Main takeways :
- Sony's high profits are explained by the DLC and microtransaction revenue which take a colossal part (44%)
- PS4 sales are plummeting on an unusual fashion even when compared to previous gen transitions.
- The main cause of this is Sony's insistance on not cutting the price of the PS4 in its final years.
- Sony thus seem to have abandoned the idea of reaching a new audience with a budget console.
I'm surprised Sony doesn't want to push a cheaper PS4 in developing markets for a few more years. I get they want to transition people to PS5, but there are a lot of countries where the PS5 and it's games are going to be too expensive for quite a while.
Finally got to digest the excellent OP. It's great to see their consumer division doing well again. Their TVs are great offerings now that they're not selling at ultra premium prices like Samsung.
It might be network and infrastructure related too. If you look at the phone market, Apple doesn't keep old tech around to impact the adoption of new tech and evolution of their infrastructure.
I have a strong feeling (an opinion here) that Sony have had to deal with a lot of ancient infrastructure updates with the PS3 and PSP/Vita to have a modern base to work from on the PS5. So they are likely doing things to keep the PS4 from holding back their network in the future or have any security impacts as well.