No, what they've said is they aim to exceed PS4's 7.6m figure. PS5 should have no problem with that given the reports of increased production.
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Sony Q2 FY2020 (July-Sept) Results - PS4: 1.5m (LTD: 113.6m) / PS4 is now the most profitable console in video game history / Profits +61.4% YoY
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No, what they've said is they aim to exceed PS4's 7.6m figure. PS5 should have no problem with that given the reports of increased production.
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Don't remember releases in Q2 but there were Mario Kart and Wii Fit in Q1 FY08, they probably boosted Q2 too given Nintendo games legs
Yeah FY08 was peak Wii and DS at the same time, just imagine having 2 products as powerful/profitable as PS4 on the market peaking at the same time, that's what Nintendo had between FY06 and FY10
And Nintendo will most likely smash that this Q2 right? Damn... Sony and Nintendo are printing money right now
Yep, although I Googled (I'm sure someone can correct me here if wrong):
Sony's end of financial year is March. By March 2014 Sony forecast 5m PS4 sales. By Feb 8th they already broke that with 5.2m.
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Sony has sold over 5.3 million PlayStation 4 consoles worldwide
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Sony is predicting 7m PS5 by March 2021. I predict they'll sell 8-9m dependent on meeting supply.
While I did expect a bit more hardware, everything else is just super impressive.
Playstation brand is as strong as ever when entering PS5.
I'm not sure what this means for PS4 LTD - I was expecting it to hit somewhere between 125-130M before but I'm not so sure about that anymore...
Playstation brand is as strong as ever when entering PS5.
I'm not sure what this means for PS4 LTD - I was expecting it to hit somewhere between 125-130M before but I'm not so sure about that anymore...
7.6m PS4 by end of that financial year? You got a source for that or am I mixing dates up?
It definitely needs a price cut. The Pro is the same price as the DE PS5.
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PS2 software is at 1.537 billion games sold
PS4 software is at > 1.477 billion games sold
So PS4 needs to sell about 60M games between Oct-Dec to surpass PS2 and it will happen
With big releases like FIFA and Cyberpunk originally planned for Q2 but pushed to Q3 + Miles Morales + this year Assassin's Creed/Watch Dogs (unlike 2019 Q3) + COD + some games like Squadrons or Crash 4, we could even expect 100M+ games during Q3
Minimum is 80M
Yeah most likely imo, even if they don't, they will take the 2nd place no matter what
PS4 Pro will be phased out and outside of holidays PS4 will probably stay at $299 before it dies out. Sony is not interested in low margin console business anymore. PS is premium brand for them now.
With Sony mentioning they want a fast transition from PS4 to PS5.. I'm just not sure we'll see a huge pricecut tbh.. I think they're gonna discontinue the PRO a have a Slim PS4 to cover demand for PS4..
The difference from reality and reading message boards is always amazing
Definitely! The PS3 in particular really came into its own as the years progressed, and it's a damn shame that due to it's insane architecture that we're cut off from some pretty fantastic games on the new hardware. I replayed inFAMOUS 1 and 2 this year the month before Ghost of Tsushima launched, and while it was awesome to be able to play them through PS Now, I'd have loved to have them running natively on my PS4. They really did have such a unique look and feel, and were so much fun. I forgot how awesome inFAMOUS 2 was from a gameplay (and story perspective). What really tripped me out revisiting it, was that the UGC stuff is still live! I actually found the series of missions I created that Sucker Punch contacted me about to feature on their UGC website way back in the day! Lol. It was such a nostalgia trip to play through my creation, and brought back some fond memories of that whole experience.
PS4 absolutely killing it. With the reported demand for the PS5, things are going to get crazy this coming gen for Sony.
Sony was taking something like a $250 loss on every console. That blu-ray drive was very expensive back in 2006.
Wow the UGC still works? That awesome.
Makes me wonder why Gravity Rush 2's servers were shut down.
Yep.
In fact, this is the main reason it is considered a failure. I mean total sales did drop off compared to the previous entry but the PS2 is the best selling home console of all time so living up to that is going to be hard.
The fact that PS3 was outpacing the 360 from day 1 worldwide when launch aligned, at a higher price and a year later and went on to become the 5th best selling console of all time is still an achievement.
Yeah, it still works! At least it still did in June of this year! I was so surprised. I fired it up, completely expecting it to give me some kind of server error, but nope, that shit is still running. lol
I think that's awesome, because I loved the UGC, and I admit, I was tempted to create a new set of missions, just for old times sake. XD
Yeah the UGC was really cool. They added lot's of options so you could even create all new stories and basically create side quests. I would love if they bring it back in Ghost of Tsushima 2. It could make the game even more fun to explore.
Heck, it would be awesome in everything. Something like GTA would benefit a lot from it.
I agree with the Pro being phased out. The PS5 exists for those that want better performance, so the Pro has no place in the market.
Sony doesn't seem particularly aggressive with the PS4 currently so I think they're either going to move onto the PS5 ASAP or they're going to cut the current model and introduce a new budget model.
Told any one that PS4 would have one permanent price drop this gen and get to near 120 million console and they would call you crazy .
But yes it look like they no longer care about low margin sales like PS1\PS2 and has been that way for a good while.
They rather get what ever hardware profit they can get and phase out PS4 to PS5.
My guess is that the current Nintendo fiscal year is going to challenge the Wii/DS yearly operating profits peak (FY ending March 2009).
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Not just sales but also the profit margins loaded within the DS and Wii businesses.
That record is impressive because it was obtained with negligible digital sales (for the full fiscal year digital sales were less than $10 million).
Digital sales are what is driving up the profits in recent years (and the software units count too...)
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They could have gone for a close enough figure to the PS2, definitely, but that would have been done at the expense of profitability. With the PS4, Sony struck the perfect balance between market share and profit. It is undeniably their most successful console ever. And guess what? I do believe they can do just as good, if not better with the upcoming PS5...
Amazing work as always, ArmGunar
But I was told Sony were waiting for the competition to reveal price first...
These numbers are insane. Any price drop and I can see PS4 reaching 130 million.
But I was told Sony were waiting for the competition to reveal price first...
These numbers are insane. Any price drop and I can see PS4 reaching 130 million.
Where did they do that? Pretty weird. Maybe a few rounding errors?
It all depends on what Sony chooses to do with PS4 this Holiday and Holiday 2021 after PS5 releases, considering they have Miles Morales, Horizon 2, Sackboy and good quality independent and third party titles still releasing on PS4.
I am gonna be honest. I thought for a while that the PS5 might not be able to replicate the PS4's success due to higher pricing and a competent competition that did not cripple themselves this time around (i.e.Xbox One PR disaster pre-release). But seeing these results and how much momentum the PS Brand has right now I could see it doing better than PS4. Add to that Jim Ryan's comments regarding the PS5's pre-order numbers and the future for Sony is very bright. Obviously a lot of things can happen in the future and a mega success is not a lock but it's looking good.
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Yep no doubt, they did it last fiscal year, they will do the same this FY
Here : https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/data.html
It is now updated but even now they just indicate 113.5m instead of 113.6m
Zhuge noticed this too a while back about that changement
Not related to hardware sales but a few days after that revision, they adjusted up PS+ numbers from 44.9M to 45.0M subs
Boy, I remember when people were mocking them for being overly cautious early on in the year..
That's the thing...
They didn't even give the latest full sales report on their first-party games, except a sudden info drop whenever they want... : /
This is awesome financial achievement and I hope they keep it up. Lets hope Microsoft and Nintendo also have amazing financial profits as well. Great time to be a gamer!
Forgive my ignorance about how these two are calculated but what causes net profit to be higher than operating profit?
I do not know what kind of expenses are deducted from revenue to obtain each of these.
Thanks for the write up. Also, I Have a lot more appreciation for all the data since I began my Statistics class. Mind boggling.
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Thanks guys <3
In this case, one major one-time gain is :
If we exclude these different one-time gain/loss, we have an adjusted net profit of ¥255.4bn ($2.40B) this quarter (instead of ¥459.6bn)
It would have been still the best Net Profit for Sony during Q2
Net profit is higher than operating profit because net profit was impacted by one-time gains/losses
In this case, one major one-time gain is :
If we exclude these different one-time gain/loss, we have an adjusted net profit of ¥255.4bn ($2.40B) this quarter (instead of ¥459.6bn)
It would have been still the best Net Profit for Sony during Q2
Amazing write-up.
One thing really caught my eye though, how the hell was the PS1 more profitable than the PS2???
One thing really caught my eye though, how the hell was the PS1 more profitable than the PS2???