They could have at less pushed to break 90M.. but yeah by the end they seems to not care much.
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Sony Q2 FY2019 (July-Sept) Results - PS4: 2.8m (LTD: 102.8m) / PS4 now 2nd Best Selling Home Console of All Time
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They where in hiding most the gen seathing at Sony selling 100 million and Nintendo now over 30 milliom, they are coming out of the woodworks now.
Ironically, the OP creator didn't even need to add that 'quote', because there wasn't much good news (for Xbox) to share during that quarterly report anyway, the silly sod.
When we used to get numbers early in the generation, we were able to find out the NPD sales, and gain a percentage breakdown of sorts — this allowed us to find a regional percentage split, and the Xbox One often hovered around the ⅔ in the US of A.
As the generation went on, the percentage split came down about between 1-2% every year so, 58-60% at present sounds about right. Unfortunately, we're never going to receive units based information anymore so, it is mostly guesswork combined with a little bit of knowledge on the subject these days.
That number comes from comparing the 41M number ZhugeEX gave us with the total NPD numbers we had until that point. That gives us around 60%.
Wellfare has some other numbers that gave him aroud 58% iirc, and I've seen some other close to 62%, probably due to different interpretations of shipped/sold through, but I feel like 60% is a good approximation. Certainly is not as high as 70-75% ;)
Next hw/sw update traditionally happens few days after January 1st, and will focus on the holiday sales. After that, next financial report will be around end of January.
So they actually cut the PS4 hardware fiscal year forecast from 15.0 to 13.5. That seems like kind of big news, but isn't highlighted in the OP at all.
Using this maybe we can halfass back of envelope...6m so far this Fy and projecting 7.5 more. 102.8+7.5=110.3. Next FY I dont know, 8m? And then 5m more as it winds down? PS4 Ends at ~123m maybe, just pulled from my rear though.
Also maybe it's been covered but how does this make sense:
So, over 8X more "digital software and add on" in Q2 2019 than physical? EIGHT TIMES? And even going back to Q2 17 when digital was much less prevalent, it was over 3.5:1? Seems odd. Is there some explanation? We cant even add in PSN fees since that is the purple bar.
Using this maybe we can halfass back of envelope...6m so far this Fy and projecting 7.5 more. 102.8+7.5=110.3. Next FY I dont know, 8m? And then 5m more as it winds down? PS4 Ends at ~123m maybe, just pulled from my rear though.
Also maybe it's been covered but how does this make sense:
So, over 8X more "digital software and add on" in Q2 2019 than physical? EIGHT TIMES? And even going back to Q2 17 when digital was much less prevalent, it was over 3.5:1? Seems odd. Is there some explanation? We cant even add in PSN fees since that is the purple bar.
So they actually cut the PS4 hardware fiscal year forecast from 15.0 to 13.5. That seems like kind of big news, but isn't highlighted in the OP at all.
Also maybe it's been covered but how does this make sense:
So, over 8X more "digital software and add on" in Q2 2019 than physical? EIGHT TIMES? And even going back to Q2 17 when digital was much less prevalent, it was over 3.5:1? Seems odd. Is there some explanation? We cant even add in PSN fees since that is the purple bar.
The 13.5 forecast isn't big news when your biggest exclusive of the year slipped back to another fiscal year.
The reason why I was thinking so high was people here and in the old place act like xbox is irrelevant outside of US. But when you say 40% comes from outside the US than its not irrelevant. its just skewed towards the US.
I don't know if it's an explanation as much as a clarification, but that's not the digital:physical ratio, which is much lower. That includes all digital transactions except subs. And yes, it's super high - microtransactions, basically, are big business.
Hmm, I suppose now that I think of it, would Sony/MS take 30% of every MTX on their platform? Probably so. Yeah I guess that gets big, since there is so much more 3rd party software than 1st party.
Man if they had 40 million end of 2018 and there sales are low this year so it is impossible this numbers.
Xbox one install base around 41-42 million it is impossible to be more than that .
Just look to their sales this year in US. 1.2 million so far...
This is gross revenue, so before they pay their costs (i.e. 70% or whatnot).
If you looked at a breakdown of operating income from different sources, maybe that would look a little different in terms of the ratios of different segments.
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There is a part of OP which is dedicated to FY2019 forecast.
And for Digital vs Physical difference, Digital revenue include Add-on (MTX/DLC) so every spending of F2P and for a game purchase, Sony book $60 (and then pay the publisher, its 70% cut) while Sony book "only" about $8 per physical game (third party games)
Well it's 40% of total Xbox sales, not 40% of total console sales...
Rest of the World sales, by January 2019, were estimated at around 63.2M for the PS4 vs 16.5M for the Xbox One.
Thats 80% vs 20%, 5:1, which is pretty brutal.
Edit: US numbers I have by January 2019 are 28.5M for the PS4 vs 24.5M for the Xbox One.
Split between US vs RotW was 60/40 for Xbox, 30/70 for the PS4
Sorry, but the onus is on Microsoft to provide proof to the contrary. If they don't, then I think it's fair to assume that the PS3 ultimately sold more.
And considering it had one less year on the market, that's even more impressive.
I used to think console wars were a tragedy. Now I realize they are a fucking comedy.
So maybe not until H1 2022 at the soonest.
I doubt PS5 will become profitable in 2021.
Aaron Greenberg would be the first to tweet about how MS sold more consoles than Sony. That is a fact. There was a time when he managed to say that Xbox one sold more consoles in US than any other console from the same gen (switch sold more that month).
If you add the UK into this equation, which is their second biggest market for Xbox by a significant margin, then you're looking at roughly 70-75% shared between both the US and UK alone.
A quarter (or so) of the market remains, which makes up in places like South America, Australasia and Europe. It just shows that the Xbox really struggles outside of Anglosphere countries.
And the PlayStation 3 was $200 dearer for the first year or so too.
I had no idea their consoles sales were that slow in their strongest market.
It's not like the total number is that huge in the first place? It is very much irrelevant in many countries, that talk is not hyperbolic for many regions what are you talking about? Totals sales are barely 50 mil
US and U.K. are popping that's kinda it...
Not true at all....Switch is not really hurting ps4 sales. Switch won't be getting most Multiplats next gen.
And, people forget that it launched a FULL YEAR after XB360 and still surpassed the XB360 for worldwide sales in a year's less time when you consider that factor -- even after the bungled launch and too high price. Sony just had incredible sales worldwide with the PS3 and built up unbelievable momentum due to their stellar 1st party lineup and a fantastic fan base (with the exception of the U.S.). Honestly, the US is the only thing that continues to keep MS in the game.
Damn, how can one company keep getting so fucking lucky. If it weren't for everyone else, Sony wouldn't have 4 of the top 5 consoles ever. The world will see one day when their luck runs out. /S
Lol. I can't believe people actually still use that as an argument. Good on Sony and the PS4. The slowdown should be expected and come to no surprise but damn, it still being the second best quarter ever is insane. Let's see what happens next
Lol. I can't believe people actually still use that as an argument. Good on Sony and the PS4. The slowdown should be expected and come to no surprise but damn, it still being the second best quarter ever is insane. Let's see what happens next
Now I understand all those global sales we currently have in Europe. €70 off on all consoles everywhere, not only online which is very rare here outside nov / dec. With Switch at 199€ they really couldn't continue asking 349€ for a PS4 with a game in 2019 here, or 299€ with the peasant 500MB HDD.
The problem isn't the Switch. It's the games (the lack of) and the high price of the hardware.
lol yep, I mean the reason the Xbox one looked bad, was because the PS4 did everything right in comparison...People are just warring when they say that. Sony knows how to do console launches..except Ps3 lol.
When they give us the numbers we will update the graph. I don't see a problem with that. Just make an * saying: based on 2017 info from Sony and 2014 from MS
or *MICROSOFT REFUSED TO GIVE GAMEPASS AND XBOX 360 NUMBERS /s
Madara says he thinks so tooHandheld consoles are consoles.
IGN thinks so
Guiness thinks so
And Wiki
List of best-selling game consoles - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
But PS4 is the 2nd fastest selling home console of all time.
I cannot believe people are still trying to push this. Let's use logic, the PS3 outsold the 360 every year launch aligned except the year Kinect launch i believe, the last numbers we have had them neck and neck...so logic dictates PS3 sold more..Unless out of the blue, late into a gen Worldwide all of a sudden 360 started outselling PS3...the chances of 360 keeping pace, and even outselling ps3 late in the gen are slim to none Worldwide.
Guys let's not crap up ArmGunar amazing thread with the last gen who "won" stuff. Logic says PS3 slightly outsold 360 but it has to be super close and most importantly it was an embarrassment for Sony in the early years losing $billions and over half their market share in US. It's a nice comeback story, it's a reminder of what not to do for Sony though lol.
What's interesting to me is if next-gen slows down sales wise not because of mobile or streaming, simply because folks are getting real comfortable with playing 1-3 evergreen games all year like Fortnite, Minecraft, and Smash. I'm thinking this may become Sony's biggest challenge next gen, having an always there piece of software that hardly ever leaves the top 20 in most markets.
What's interesting to me is if next-gen slows down sales wise not because of mobile or streaming, simply because folks are getting real comfortable with playing 1-3 evergreen games all year like Fortnite, Minecraft, and Smash. I'm thinking this may become Sony's biggest challenge next gen, having an always there piece of software that hardly ever leaves the top 20 in most markets.
This is the biggest thing from here.
All Sony home PlayStation console are in the top 5. That is just crazy.
I had no idea their consoles sales were that slow in their strongest market.
The PS4 has sold nearly as many units in Japan alone as the Xbox has sold in their strongest market. Now, if you listen to some folks here the PS4 is dead/dying in Japan. So what then does that say about the Xbox with similar numbers in their strongest market?
Quite sad to read, grasping for straws.
Incredibly impressive what Sony's been able to do since coming into the industry. What other company can say their worst "failure" still sold north of 85m and is one of the top five best selling consoles of all time?
While I believe it's pretty clear MS will want to drop the XBO as soon as possible for Scarlett to change their narrative, I wonder how long Sony plans on supporting the PS4. If they continue to expand their PSNow offering it could be a great way to continue serving the price-sensitive market and build brand loyalty should those individuals someday decide to upgrade.
glad someone is maintaining this (correct) argument
Quoting ZhugeEX:
"given the public data available it does look like Xbox 360 would have passed PS3's 87.4m figure sometime in the second half of 2015. Either that or Xbox One sold way more than we think, which wouldn't make sense."
the crazy part about Ps4 sales, is that it did this with no "DRE" rebuys as well. I can honestly say at least 10-15 million of the ps2 sales were because of rebuys from DRE!!!
Why should I believe this ZhugeX guy? he is just using public data....I don't see how this is possible, again..ps3 was outselling 360 every year World wide, so how would that even be possible? If he has data that says otherwise he can share it or it's moot.
Do you have the annual numbers? IIRC 360 got a huge and uncommon bump in yearly sales due to Kinect.
edit: Oh, someone already replied accordingly.
Sure, let's not trust a guy who does this data for a living.
edit: Oh, I see you still go by ps3 outselling 360 every year. But this is useless now as it doesn't belong to the thread at hand.