PS5 back compat with all previous generations would lock me into Sony's camp for good. I recently switched over to Xbox for the X, but this would def bring me back.
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Sony patents a new system of backward compatibility
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This doesn't solve the "new console" part, but it solves your "new controller" issue.
For about $20, buy a Mayflash and you can use any controller you want on your PS3. I use a DS4 and this makes the home button work, rumble works, everything. All wireless.
https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Magic-NS-Wireless-Controller-Nintendo/dp/B079B5KHWQ/
Or you can just use a DS4 without an adapter, but the home button and rumble won't work.
Every time the small PS2 Classics library comes up, people make this trophy claim. While it may be a contributing factor, it's most certainly waaaaay down the list, after compatibility issues with the emulator and licensing.
If you've never taken a look at the games that the built-in emulator can actually play and which ones it has major issues with, it's worth a peek: https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps4/PS2_Classics_Emulator_Compatibility_List
There's a reason why we've gotten all those Rockstar games and never Liberty City Stories/Vice City Stories, and it ain't trophies.
There are signs of working ps1 and ps2 emulators in the ps4 firmware.
With that said, if anyone can make w working emulator for ps3, playing all games is Sony and Cerny.
With this I will end the discussion as im sensing some hostility from you.
If this is true, then I'll save whatever I have on me right now to get one in the future.
I was bummed out that the PS4 was devoid of any BC, especially when Sony hyped the system up as the be-all end-all of game consoles. This'll be a major game changer if it's legit (PLS)!
I was bummed out that the PS4 was devoid of any BC, especially when Sony hyped the system up as the be-all end-all of game consoles. This'll be a major game changer if it's legit (PLS)!
I'll pretty much lose interest.
I don't want BC to need online in any capacity.
It would be technically bloody impressive and generate a lot of buzz in the media. I'm curious if it really is their intention. I absolutely hope so.
I'm really sorry if I gave you this impression. I appreciate your answer
I think there may have actually been some comments on it by a dev, but I'm not sure. You may want to ask in the PS2 Classics thread. That's where I heard of this.
So, if this is the reason that PS2 Classics can't be played on PS4, it means Sony either simply doesn't care or is incapable of working out emulation. That's a bad look for them, and bad news for everyone in this thread hopeful for a fully BC PS5, I'd say.
Man, if they can emulate all previous PlayStation consoles, and PSP and Vita too? That would be so huge going into next gen, definitely a nice bullet point for marketing with their huge catalog of past games.
Would they be able to somehow implement trophy support somehow?, any possibility of tech enhancements?... So many questions.
I think it's very very dangerous to get our hopes up sony will do anything in terms of BC for PS5...even with PS4. I think there was a sony patent for a 'system on a dongle' for BC support during the neoGAF era. Mark Cerny might be pushing for BC, but Sony as a corporation has been actively turning away from it.
Well, we obviously don't know anything yet, but if Cerny is involved, that gives some weight to this. I'd like to think that maybe they have been quietly beavering away at a major solution and a push for BC that includes previous generations. It would provide the groundwork for all things PlayStation going forward and that would be hard to beat.
I totally agree. Sony has consistently shown they just don't care for their legacy content this gen, from their statements on the subject, to the total lack of BC on PS4, to the limited, mismanaged, and now seemingly dead PS2 Classics program, and finally the recent blunder and utter failure that was the PS1 Classic. Everyone here is just assuming that with a new gen, Sony will want to leap into BC, when they have done nothing in the past 7 years to suggest they care about this feature.
I do personally think we will see PS4 BC on PS5 (this could very well be what the patent is referring to, as no actual platforms are specified here to my knowledge), but only because it makes business sense. PS1-3 will remain left behind as they were this gen. I hate to be so pessimistic on the subject, especially when I would very much love to believe the opposite is true, but ultimately I don't think it is worth anyone getting their hopes up over this. Not yet at least.
I highly doubt Sony is capable of creating a PS2/PS3 emulator (or VM) with 99% compatibility out of the box. PSX and PS4 are doable, but for PS2 and PS3 I think they will have to take the MS approach and specifically optimize each game. If they have to go back and "re-release" games as BC titles, then the PS5 will never be able to play everything due to licensing issues.
I love my 60GB PS3 but I have no faith in Sony when it comes to stuff like this.
I love my 60GB PS3 but I have no faith in Sony when it comes to stuff like this.
The AI texture upgrade thing sounds awesome - aren't people already doing that with emulators on PC?
If so, is that even patentable given it's something that already exists in the public domain? Or are they doing things slightly differently?
If so, is that even patentable given it's something that already exists in the public domain? Or are they doing things slightly differently?
Emulation isn't good enough, they need to improve the games.
I can't go back to the PS3 pad. I only ever use a PS4 pad on the PS3 these days.
If this pans out, then it will. They have to do something.. too many classic PS3 games sitting there to collect dust.
That would be enormously shitty of them and potentially disastrous PR-wise. Would definitely not garner Sony the sort of good will they'll be wanting to have at the start of a new gen.
PS3 is the one PlayStation system I don't expect the PS5 to support when it comes to BC.
Well PSNow will obviously be on PS5 as well, that's what it's got to do with PS5.
PS1, 2, 3 disc bc will be a nice bonus but I don't see Sony wanting to lose money on a service that is currently making money. So I can see them making PS4 games priority for bc and sticking with PSNow for the older gen games.
Maybe they will make PSNow even better by making it like GamePass, adding PS5 games as well in the future, who knows.
Someone mentioned here a while back that it would be definitely in Sony's own interests to get PS3 games running on amd64 architecture. They can't keep manufacturing Cell chips forever and a day so they either pull the plug on PS3 completely (including PSN access) or find a way of making it work on PS5. That way they could replace all the PS3/PS4 banks they use for PSnow with just one system (PS5).
Let's hope this will be implemented and not just remain a patent.
Additionally, that way the hardware used on PS Now will require less specialize customization.
Additionally, that way the hardware used on PS Now will require less specialize customization.
That would be rather stupid to do if the PS5 hardware has specifically been tailored towards this BC and considering PS plus wasn't a thing until recently.
Them they will be shooting himself in the foot. As they will be blocking the access to the PS1 that all already available on their store. Good move for them will be to allow physical disc without a fee and also include as many titles as they can on the store.
I don't know about PS3 but PS4 is definitely doable due to its 86x architecture.
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If it happens, I hope that they can remove the aliasing and output in much higher resolution. We could get a Ni no Kuni that looks like this:
I wish we could get a good *informed speculation* video on this from our dear friends at Digital Foundry.
I'd like to hear what they think is possible and what their take on the patent is. There may be some difficult hurdles to overcome that don't seem immediately obvious to simpletons such as myself.
I'd like to hear what they think is possible and what their take on the patent is. There may be some difficult hurdles to overcome that don't seem immediately obvious to simpletons such as myself.
This is what I am absolutely afraid of happening. I still don't have a PS4; I've held off in the hopes that the PS5 will be backwards compatible with both systems. So, the laws of irony pretty much dictate that this won't work out for me.
BC shouldn't be a paid thing, because alone is a selling point for your console. Being able to play your existing PS1,PS2, PS3 and PS4 library means you are able to sell your console and still play all the games you have, maybe in an improved form by emulation.
If sony locks this behind a paywall they show yet again how greedy and anti-consumer they are, you simply can't ask for money when your competitor, in this case Microsoft, is doing the exact same thing, for free.
Also locking the service behind PSNow...really? I mean, I bought those games and you are asking me money again to play them? No way, and people shouldn't support this. A PS5 would be able to emulate a PS3 with no effort, considering PS3 emulation is already a thing on PC and people who worked on it of course have no access to official tools like Sony, so a proper emulator by Sony would probably be much easier to run on less powerful machines than a good PC, aka the PS5.
If sony locks this behind a paywall they show yet again how greedy and anti-consumer they are, you simply can't ask for money when your competitor, in this case Microsoft, is doing the exact same thing, for free.
Also locking the service behind PSNow...really? I mean, I bought those games and you are asking me money again to play them? No way, and people shouldn't support this. A PS5 would be able to emulate a PS3 with no effort, considering PS3 emulation is already a thing on PC and people who worked on it of course have no access to official tools like Sony, so a proper emulator by Sony would probably be much easier to run on less powerful machines than a good PC, aka the PS5.
This could mean I have to dig out my PS2 collection from the attic, get some Shadow Hearts goodness going.
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If Sony doesn't allow the dowload of your library, well, it's beyond retarded, because digital purchases should be supported on launch if this patent is really a thing.
Paying for online gaming shouldn't be a thing, but here we are. That's totally free on PC, so how can console manufacturers "get away with it"? Sony can charge for whatever they want. All of this stuff is moving towards subscription services, including Microsofts future.
It would annoy me if they take this approach, but I don't think any of these companies are truly "pro consumer". That's why I'm pretty sure I'm ditching consoles altogether next gen.
Well i really hope it is. This BC wont decide if i buy a ps5 because sony has a fantastic trackrecord with exclusives and iam there day 1.
Paid online sucks everywhere, it's just a way to suck money out of consumer for pretty much nothing. But at least there are "free" games coming with your sub, cloud storage too.
The BC paid thing...I can agree on Sony or Microsoft providing a service, ie PSNOW, in which you pay, let's say, 100€ a year to have access to a vast selection of PS2, Ps3 and PS4 titles. That would be ok.
But.
If BC exist, you NEED to give me the opportunity to pop my disc in and play the game regardless, or being able to donwload the game from your servers if I own a digital copy. So a service can exist, but it shouldn't be the only way to being able to play your old games.
But as I wrote in a previous post, I'll believe this when I see an official news.
Remember how Sony stopped producing PS3 with PS2 chips saying the chip was needed to run PS2 games?
Later they started selling PS2 games on PSN which people datamined, and they came with a built-in emulator which could run pretty much any title, so the PS3 INITIALLY wasn't able to run PS2 games without the EmotionEngine, but Sony found a way to emulate PS2 games and charged for it regardless, so my opinion on Sony is very low at the moment based on what they did in the past. PS4 is more than capable to run PS1 and PS2 games too, but again you can only play some PS2 titles if you purchase them again, and you can't play PS1 games at all because Sony decided this.
The funny thing about this is that Sony used to be the best option for BC on Consoles. They have a long history of doing it, and doing it well. The PS4 is literally the only time they have never offered it. They can do it, they just need to have the inclination to do it. But after this gen, it is hard to say if they do or not.
PS NOW has nothing to do with BC, and if anything, BC makes it more appealing. PS NOW is not a replacement for BC, but rather an investment for a coming streaming focused future. If it was just for BC, it wouldn't offer PS4 games, nor would it be available on PC. Also, think about it for a second: with PS3 BC, PS NOW would suddenly have a full downloadable library of nearly 800 games (probably more when PS5 releases), all of which are natively playable on your Console. That makes it one hell of a proposition. It undeniably makes the service itself more appealing.
Now, I understand that allowing BC means people can have access to their PS3 libraries for free, but does anyone really have over 600 PS3 games lying around? Probably not, and in that case, PS NOW still has plenty of value regardless of free access to the games (not to mention there are many people who never owned a Ps3, or sold off the system and their library of games after PS4 launched without BC). I don't think it hurts NOW at all. Honestly, having the entire library be downloadable would probably make me a subscriber.