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Sony Made A 'Tragic Mistake' Taking Spider-Man Out Of The MCU, Joe Russo Says
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Is that what he said? His comments were more a response to Rothman talking about how they are going to replicate what kevin has done with the MCU.
Stop with the reasonable takes, please.
How can he be objective about this? He's working in the same universe, at the same company, using the same characters. Marvel not having Spider-Man affects him directly. I don't think he's trolling. Not accusing him of being a shit-stirrer in general either, just saying this particular comment is shit-stirring.
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Because any reasonable person who would take a look at what Feige has done with the MCU over 10 years, would agree that it would be extremely difficult to replicate.
Sony was getting a horrible deal from Disney. Sony owns the movie rights, Disney should play by their requests. I dont blame Sony for pulling out, Disney was trying to pull a fast one.
If I had to guess, Sony will be back partnering with Marvel after a couple of failed movies. Then we will rinse and repeat the entire process again.
No it didn't. It showed that people want to see Venom, Venom vs. Carnage, and ultimately Venom vs. Spider-Man.
The rest of the "Spider-verse" is unproven. People talk about the MCU reviving C and D-list characters but it's a different ballgame taking C-list Spidey villains and working with them in a movie without Spidey and with the only possible "crossover" connection being Venom. And I don't know about you but I ain't expecting the screenwriter duo behind Gods of Egypt to set the world on fire with fucking Jared Leto's Morbius.
You do realise that Tony Stark is a fictional entity don't you? And that he isn't currently responsible for the situation in the Middle East?
Like, he's a character in a film and wasn't involved in Desertstorm or any other real life conflicts.
God damn take a step back, take a breath, it's not the end of the world. Disney was asking Sony to basically hand them their property, how do people still not see the deal was awful?
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It's called contract law and even Disney can't undo it like they did public domain.
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why dont you go lick your ps4 you sony shill, nice personal attack btw
Yes, Sony. You are dumb for not giving up 50% of your profits. They just made $900mil on a random Venom movie. They have no reason to bow down to the mouse.
If it were so easy to make a successful cinematic universe, everyone would do it. Feige is a genius. It's laughable to suggest he's overrated in any way.
Replace Feige with anyone else and see what happens.
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Sure, but it's about dollars and sense in the end.
100% of "pretty good" is probably going to be more money than a much smaller percentage of something "great".
100% of "pretty good" is probably going to be more money than a much smaller percentage of something "great".
Well he said "it was a tragic mistake " from Sony, but he should know that Disney might come up with conditions that are untenable from Sony's perspective. You don't pull out from a successful joint venture unless one of the party make unreasonable demands that the other party seems unfeasible. Its business 101 and corporate management 200.
This thread is so delicious to read, BringBackSonics . Thanks for posting the topic.
Sony is about to do just that. 😯
Sony is about to do just that. 😯
I don't have a ps4.
Must have hit close to home since you quoted me twice.
Spider-verse is one of the top favourite films but Spider-verse is the odd film out of Sony's output given it's animated which is a different creative process altogether and that Sony's track record is extremely poor when it comes to Live action films.
Sony went from Spider-man 3 to Amazing Spider-man to Amazing Spider man 2 all in a row and that's not even including Venom which was straight garbage. Sony are just terrible when it comes to Live action not even sure how anyone could be celebrating the split from a creative standpoint. I don't even like Homecoming but that film was far well positively received than all previous films and it was purely because of MCU creative team.
Sony went from Spider-man 3 to Amazing Spider-man to Amazing Spider man 2 all in a row and that's not even including Venom which was straight garbage. Sony are just terrible when it comes to Live action not even sure how anyone could be celebrating the split from a creative standpoint. I don't even like Homecoming but that film was far well positively received than all previous films and it was purely because of MCU creative team.
If Sony understands that they need a good creative team to handle the franchise and don't interfere too much, Spidey will be fine.
There's no way that giving everything to Disney is a good thing and we are going to miss some of Fox Searchlight's riskier movies in the future.
Disney will always play it safe and there needs to be some risk taking while doing movies.
Yes, Venom isn't great but I rather watch it again than half of the MCU's catalogue.
I can barely remember what happened in both Ant Man's but Hardy's crazy performance will be forever stuck in my mind.
There's no way that giving everything to Disney is a good thing and we are going to miss some of Fox Searchlight's riskier movies in the future.
Disney will always play it safe and there needs to be some risk taking while doing movies.
Yes, Venom isn't great but I rather watch it again than half of the MCU's catalogue.
I can barely remember what happened in both Ant Man's but Hardy's crazy performance will be forever stuck in my mind.
Is it any bootlicking that you're against, or just licking the wrong boots?
Eh, Homecoming and FFH weren't anything to write home about, so it's not really that big of a deal unless Sony starts making absolute bombs. I doubt they will, but I see no point in me arguing or caring for 2 companies battling it out for a character in which both make mediocre movies for. However, Sony did give us SM2 and ITSV, so ionno. Coin flip?
And especially since Spider-Verse wasn't that big of a moneymaker, to begin with, even having Spider-Man on it.
The Secret Life of Pets 2 made more money despite being having a terrible plot, and in a busier time for releases.
Oh, Rothman is gonna have his fingerprints all over a sequel if it ever comes out. Probably they're gonna add Venom (And Eminem :v) on a sequel.
We pretty m uch agree on this. We disagree on objectivity and the wording on shit-stirring.
These are two posts made by two different persons. Are you assuming they'd just call it bootlicking on one side?
Sony could make a mediocre Spider-Man/venom movie and easily gross over a billion. The deal just doesn't make financial sense for them.
Bootlicking in general. What difference does it make who owns the character? I just want good movies.
Just because Wonder Woman was an amazing movie doesn't mean that the DCEU was a success and that they can do it justice.
I think MCU movies benefited more from having Spiderman in them than the standalone Spidey movies did from having MCU characters in them, Far from home was an ok movie, not good, not bad just ok. Homecoming was much better, i know Tony was in it but barely. Can they still mention MCU characters in future movies?
Probably because Disney has a track record of abusing their position. See dictating terms to theaters.
All corporations suck, some just wield disproportionate power in certain markets.
Gotta agree with this. Spiderman much more interesting outside MCU and into the Spiderverse prove that big time.
Again, Sony fucked up here because they assumed – erroneously – that they can replicate MCU Spider-Man's success, which is highly unlikely. The MCU is a powerful brand and now that they are no longer working in tandem, Disney/Marvel has every reason to make certain the public knows that the next Sony Spider-Man isn't part of their stable.
Also, people conveniently forget that Disney didn't just ask for 50% of the profits, they also offered to front 50% of the production budget, which means a healthier bottom line for Sony. Even if this deal means they make less on Spider-Man, there was the potential to bring their other Marvel films into the MCU.
There's a long-game here that Sony continues to suck at. (FYI, books have been written at just how bad Sony is at this game)
This isn't about which franchise you like more, this is about the reality of the film industry as it exists today and Disney's grip on that market, which makes the MCU something they can and rightfully should tax a studio for latching onto. Far From Home is Sony's biggest hit of all time and that has everything to do with it's proximity to the MCU and realistically, even films like Venom and Into the Spider-Verse have enjoyed their success in part because of the comic book film zeitgeist perpetuated by the MCU.
Sony had the enviable opportunity of being a part of the most profitable film franchise in history and they blew it.
Also, people conveniently forget that Disney didn't just ask for 50% of the profits, they also offered to front 50% of the production budget, which means a healthier bottom line for Sony. Even if this deal means they make less on Spider-Man, there was the potential to bring their other Marvel films into the MCU.
There's a long-game here that Sony continues to suck at. (FYI, books have been written at just how bad Sony is at this game)
This isn't about which franchise you like more, this is about the reality of the film industry as it exists today and Disney's grip on that market, which makes the MCU something they can and rightfully should tax a studio for latching onto. Far From Home is Sony's biggest hit of all time and that has everything to do with it's proximity to the MCU and realistically, even films like Venom and Into the Spider-Verse have enjoyed their success in part because of the comic book film zeitgeist perpetuated by the MCU.
Sony had the enviable opportunity of being a part of the most profitable film franchise in history and they blew it.
Because as humans, our brains work things out better when we cast good guys and bad guys.
The second post was responding to and agreeing with the first, so I was addressing both.
For my money, I agree with Russo if only because Feige is already the most successful producer of all time. That's not easily replicated, especially at the scale and expectations that come with Day 1 in this market. You might get a better result with somebody else, but the odds are against it in the superhero game.
The issue was they couldn't. ASM2 on paper made $700 million but only made $70 million in profits in reality. Sony is terrible at budgeting their movies.
It blows my mind that Sony can keep a character from the company that created it.
It's like Sega prohibiting Nintendo from using Mario.
It's like Sega prohibiting Nintendo from using Mario.