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What would be the best games to try VRR with? What PS5 games today have an uneven framerate when contrasted to their target? Call of Duty 120 fps?
PS5 does not support VRR right now so it doesn't matter
xbox series X (i assume S too?) supports VRR, i've honestly never noticed it while playing anything on my LG C1. Games already are set to run basically in vsync mode, otherwise people would immediately notice screen tearing. I can't think of a ton of games (any?) that let you run with vsync off when playing on a console, which you'd sorta need to really take advantage of VRR.
One yucky thing is you sorta have to pick between 60 fps or 120 fps, Dolby Vision/HDR, and a few other things at a system level before launching a game. VRR is sorta last in that list, and until games get a VRR mode that lets them run "50-60 fps, no vsync, try to push visuals as much as possible" I just don't see it making much of a difference for gamers. Maybe i'm wrong and just missing something, but I've had gSync for years on my PC which is a lot easier to tweak so you get 40-60 fps at high visuals and VRR (gSync) helps minimize input lag while maximizing visuals.
I don't think you would want to use a feature that adds input delay on shooters or fighting games.
Perfect example, I played this on quality mode on my series x with vrr and you'd think it was a locked 60 99% of the time. Very few areas had apparent drops, but so infrequent and rare that there isn't a need for performance mode with a vrr.
Pretty sure you don't need to turn off Vsync for VRR to work, at least that is how it works on PC.
You don't need to disable Vsync to use VRR.. Quite the opposite, it's recommended you have Vsync on.
VRR is obviously working in many games on XSX too. For example, Resident Evil Village (with RT enabled) which stutters constantly in some areas without VRR but is perfectly smooth with VRR enabled.
This guy going for the jugular.
We've been waiting for VRR since launch and Sony bungled this. I'm damn glad MS didn't make a new OS and kept its current feature one and built on top of it.
As I saw right now and looks like it droped on Spain on Dec 1st. My bad, I just check it today on my brother's TV and did a light search here to see if there was a thread about it.
How is the framerate of Tales of Arise on quality mode? Is not locked to 30fps?
Their first generation QOLED is rumored to be much more expensive than the OLED. So it's a pass from me. Maybe in a few years.
It's unlocked, on series x I think it was 50-60fps in quality mode.
That's a sweet spot for VRR. I hope that future games can implement something like this to make use of VRR, but maybe this could leave aside people that doesn't have a VRR TV.
I'm sure VRR winds up being hugely challenging in terms of maintaining image quality. At a fixed frame rate you can deal with all kinds of issues around image persistence and latency in changing backlight brightness by knowing what's the right compromise for an image that's going to be up for 1/60th of a second. With VRR you never know how long a given frame is going to be displayed, so if your form of compensation is incorrect it could result in some egregious problems.
The easiest fix for this is to wait for the next frame to come in first so you do know how long to show a given image, but that adds latency, which is why Game Mode is going to be a problem.
The easiest fix for this is to wait for the next frame to come in first so you do know how long to show a given image, but that adds latency, which is why Game Mode is going to be a problem.
VRR is a HDMI standard so it should work with anything. I doubt Sony will do freesync as well, but it'd be nice for people with pre-HDMI 2.1 displays that have freesync over HDMI.
Unless this is a new update, this has been out since around October, and yes it kills local dimming. It's a massive bummer, it seems none of these HDMI 2.1 features work right without the need to turn off some other essential feature, just rendering it all useless.
The only way to dodge this is to never buy stuff based on promises. There's always a possibility that a planned feature doesn't work without compromises and Sony or any other company is never going to shout stuff like this from the rooftops beforehand.
HDMI 2.1 in TVs has been a thing since 2019 and there still isn't a single model that handles full 2.1 features like 4K/120fps/HDR/VRR/eARC etc without any issues or compromises. Every single model has some problems. The whole 2.1 stuff is still in testing phase basically, and consumers are the guinea pigs.
Yep. I love my x900h but it's definitely not the best TV for next gen like Sony promised
Other areas got it a couple months ago.
They retracted the VRR update from Europe, so now they're getting it back basically.
I'm assuming it's the same as other areas.
I wouldn't expect anything different, as I would imagine this is just the X900H VRR update that other areas already got.
Unless they improved it somehow.
A90J will get it a bit further out.
Their 2020 models are just getting it now, but I think that bodes well for 2021 getting it soonish.
Do any LED tvs keep local dimming on with VRR? I've heard a lot of issues with most brands.
Of course, it sucks they've taken this long to get it out.
That fact took it until fall 2021 and it's still slow VRR rollout for Sony HDMI 2.1 TVs, which have been released since spring of 2020, still has issues and no sign of PS5 VRR, makes me think it really may be a chipset issue with the HDMI 2.1 SoC they used. :|
I heard the price for the 65" will be £3500 at launch and the A90J will drop to £2500 for the same size. If the QOLED is everything it's rumoured to be at that price it'll be tempting. Perhaps too tempting...
To the first question, yup, the XSS supports VRR. I am using a Dell S2721DGF with the Xbox HDMI cable. Since this monitor is Freesync Premium Pro, the Xbox is using it for the VRR mode. That means I am running 1440, 120hz and with the AMD direct-to-panel HDR tone mapping. Looks fantastic.
To the latter, I fully agree that more games should do it. There are two examples I can think of which pull it off extremely well.
- Guardians of the Galaxy (45~60 fps) 60 fps during cutscenes and traversal, combat is between 50 and 60 FPS. I believe it drops to the mid to high 40s during really effect heavy scenes, but it is nothing major really. The core gameplay part of the game is extremely smooth, and it is a real game changer. This game made me feel this is the way Microsoft intended the XSS to be used, with a VRR display.
- Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis (50~60 fps) This one was surprising, a friend told me he couldn't get it to run well at anything above 30 fps (however, he was running on a normal TV). Enter VRR. You can turn on all graphical settings and always sit above 50 fps at all times. It is very smooth, looks great and is very enjoyable. Cutscenes all run at 60, those drops to the 50s happen when you look at long distances it seems. I could see how it would be really bad on a normal display, but with VRR? It is perfect. XSS is now a perfect PSO2 station.
I have never been happier with buying the smaller box, my jaw dropped to the floor with Guardians especially. It's a huge change from the locked 30 fps mode to the unlocked mode. Really feels like this hardware has a lot of power under the hood that isn't being used to the full potential.
I predict it will launch with GT7. Polyphony love a TV based feature and sit close to the TV people and they always have historically have no problem with having only some types of races or run at higher frame rates of resolution from the bulk of the game . It would be an ideal situation for that game in any mode that varies
yeah, learned that, unfortunately my last TV died and XH90 seemed like the best option
I dont understand ... Is my LG C9 outdated/not surpported? I dont think i've tried running vrr on it.
I think VRR was first introduced in the CX series, so a year after your TV was released.
c9s do have vrr tho? It was updated to support it
Is supports 4k120hz vrr gsync range between 40-120hz
VRR is a gaming feature. An excellent one at that.
Since a TV is needed for game consoles, there's a lot of TV threads in gaming.
C9 has VRR. Was even the first TV with GSync support
