Here's a fun quiz. How many of these girls are underage?
None. 6/8 are between 23-25, one is 21 and the other is 20, with 20 being the age one is considered an adult in Japan.
That said, I'm all for getting rid of the grope/molest mini-game garbage that was in stuff like Senran Kagura, and Sony is free to exert whatever rules they want. Just wanted to inject a bit of reality into this conversation as there wasn't much of any attempt at reasoned discourse over what a young 20's Japanese girl would look like compared to a 15-17 high school girl.
I disagree, but I can't show image proof to counter your argurment, so let's end it here.
Here's a fun quiz. How many of these girls are underage?
None. 7/9 are between 23-25, one is 21 and the other is 20, with 20 being the age one is considered an adult in Japan.
That said, I'm all for getting rid of the grope/molest mini-game garbage that was in stuff like Senran Kagura, and Sony is free to exert whatever rules they want. Just wanted to inject a bit of reality into this conversation as there wasn't much of any attempt at reasoned discourse over what a young 20's Japanese girl would look like compared to a 15-17 high school girl.
Also, I laughed really really hard when I saw a particular comment in this thread from a user with a Hitagi Senjougahara/Bakemonogatari avatar. If you read what that post said and then watch the scene where the main character in that show molests an elementary school girl who is pleading for him to stop it brings up some amazing level of cognitive dissonance.
Your Overwatch example is bad because Tracer could maybe look 19-25. We are talking about characters who, even in the most generous terms, look somewhere around 12-17 while they are intended to be 18-20 and are sexualized to hell and back.
My hand-wringing is about games being required to censor content not involving minors. Whether or not each of the titles I gave sexualize minors I do not know
Which Nora game? Nora to Oujo to Noranko Heart? Make no mistake, the girls in that game attend highschool. They are definitely minors, despite what the official statement says.
You do realize it's high school uniform they are wearing right? Or did it never occur to you why they all wear the same dress?That's art from the anime, with the visual novel being more proportional to the point where I would label most of them as young adults.
Oh no he disagrees because no underage girl would have those boobs or hips or height so they are old enough, right Castile ?
You think Cyberpunk will have underage anime 'loli's though? Witcher 3 definitely had nudity and it was still rated M and fine. No dick though apparently. That's too far for the US.
Hmm, humans are weird, so I can't deny that it can happen. But yeah, he's right that they are high schoolers, and I think I have mention this before in this thread. Doesn't really negate anything I have said before, like them being 18. Anyways, I'm getting tired of repeating myself, so peace out
Sony's new "guidelines" don't address any of that though. To begin with, the guidelines are so vague that it is impossible to know what they are okay with and what they might not be okay with. It is vague enough that it could even come down to the individual person approving the submission on that given day. That's not the way to do it. What this means for developers and publishers is that without clear indication of what is allowed and not allowed, sometimes they would overestimate just to hope there are no objections that would require a resubmission. Every submission and any changes done between submissions are a resource cost and eat time and money. It ends up hurting smaller publishers more.
Why does it matter? Sexualizing young girls is wrong regardless of which country you're in.
I don't think the issue is really whether anything should be banned or if Sony has the right to deny stuff on their platform. The real question is where these instructions are coming down from and why they are so vague. No one in Sony wants to talk about specifics in detail other than acknowledging that new guidelines exist. How is that helpful for submission of games for approval? If even developers and publishers are saying it is a problem, then guidelines should be specified. This makes submission easier, and publishers can either self-edit before submission knowing comfortably that they meet the guidelines, or they can decide to take their games to other platforms instead.
Borderline child porn *is* what Sony represents (remember the Vita?), or at least it was what Sony represented up until Sony found Jesus less than a year ago, and all of a sudden decided to make their new religion all of their coworkers problems, rather than giving a reluctant pass to games that already went through several layers of Sony's product approvals.
I dunno if it's as much as they found Jesus or if it's they just realized it actually doesn't sell as much as people think it does. Sex sells, but it doesn't sell as much as people would like, and then on top of that it screws over your brand a lot (as now when people see your product they just think porn instead of whatever you're actually selling, in this case a game console) Everything I say here's obviously speculation but look at their marketing from back then to now and even that is noticeably different, and combine that with the massive failure of the vita and a few corporate changes here and there, I think this is really more Sony trying to try something new to get more sales as opposed to appeasing people who'd otherwise be offended.
Off topic, this is now my favourite post here, ever! Video game Jesus censoring via light beams is the funniest thought ever! 😂
no Tier 4 Goku Uniform for Nonon Either.
I mean, its their platform, end of the day they can do whatever they want with it, I just hope that the way things work on their pipeline dont become annoying enough that rather than wait and make a modified copy for Sony, will start to make pre-censored master for all ports (Switch/ Xbox/ PC) and roll with it.
1) Hachikuji is actually fine with the groping (watch the anime)
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What's a "good" editorial decision?
I think there's a good argument to be made about how pornography that panders to the fantasies of underaged, "barely legal", "schoolgirls", etc are extremely unhealthy for society and help to normalize things that shouldn't be normalized.
Of course it's not the same as actual acts. I would never say they are. I'm not talking about influencing people to act either, but rather normalizing something in culture and society. It's a different sort of danger. I don't think playing a game where you bang young looking characters is going to make most people directly go out and groom children. But I do think that if a bunch of people play a lot of games like that and it feels normal to them after a while, one very real danger is the lowered sense of alertness and perception to actual sexual grooming taking place in society.
I think the context and setting absolutely matters. Roleplay sex with a spouse wearing a school uniform? Not really anyone's business. Fetish club where adult hostesses wear school uniforms? Kinky but whatever. A costume party and someone shows up in a school uniform? Shrug, no big deal.
