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Lol, 17 ain't adult! (And why does it ALWAYS have to be girls in school uniforms, goddammit??? And 99/100 times it's highschool, it's never college).

Like I said, pick your battles better and don't die on this hill. There is some bullshit thrown by Sony but this ain't a good example for a rallying cry.
It is in Mexican culture, but point taken that it isn't widely consider in this board. Still, I would defend that the ones getting *censor don't look like kids, even if I keep being label a creep.

*Little girl doesn't have any fanservice shot in the console version, so no changes for her
 

Richter1887

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This is what I don't get about all of this "they're clearly adults" shit.
If they're adults, why are they in High School acting like kids and talking about typical High School nonsense?
Put them in College already. Give them a damn job. Have them engage in somewhat adult behavior.

Instead all I see is a bunch of "We want to have our cake and eat it too" bullshit.
You know I could list a lot of anime women that are in their 20's yet look like adults. If you put the ones I mean and compare with the "adults" in this thread then it will only show how stupid their arguments is. Especially the arguments about different art styles.
If your artstyle makes the characters look like god damn kids then it is garbage and it shouldn't suprise you that it gets called out or censored.

But just like you said, they know exactly what they are doing with these characters.
 

giancarlo123x

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Googling Nora to Oujo to Noraneko Heart brought me to:

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This appears to be from the actual show, not fan art or anything

and this is the series art on crunchyroll

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maybe you should quit while you're ahead, friend
I feel like this fucking thread has put me on a list.
 
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kpaadet

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That's what the base game is supposed to be like. PS4 version got censored beyond that. It's a Sony thing, there's really no question about it, and the fact that they continously to actually clarify their policy once and for all is pretty telling.
Someone should have told Capcom they forgot to censor the jpn version, you would think Sony would be mad as hell Capcom messed that up, yet now they're removing it in other regions..hmmm
 

AztecComplex

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It is in Mexican culture, but point taken that it isn't widely consider in this board. Still, I would defend that the ones getting *censor don't look like kids, even if I keep being label a creep.

*Little girl is an exception as she doesn't have a fanservice shot in the console version.
Bullshit. I'm Mexican and by no means is 17 considered an adult here. At that age you still can't drink, smoke, gamble or even vote!

Hell, if you commit a crime at 17 you go into juvenile correctional instead of a regular prison.

How's that for being an adult?
 

Musubi

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It certainly is bizarre seeing Nintendo of all companies being more comfortable with echhi games than Sony.
 

BernardoOne

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Someone should have told Capcom they forgot to censor the jpn version, you would think Sony would be mad as hell Capcom messed that up, yet now they're removing it in other regions..hmmm
And someone should have told Sony to finally put out some PR explaining their policy clearly. Shit isn't exactly hard. And the fact they keep ping ponging on what they seem to be fine or not fine with as well is ridiculous.
 

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Bullshit. I'm Mexican and by no means is 17 considered an adult here. Not for drinking, not for smoking, not for gambling, and certainly not for voting.

Hell, if you commit a crime at 17 you go into juvenile correctional, not proper prison. How's that for adult?
Wait what? I guess that's just bad parenting on my side as i was basically doing all of that at 16. I thought it was normal with how common it was in parties. My bad, for my misinform post.
 

TrishaCat

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I love Zero Escape, Ace Attorney and will soon play Steins Gate. I watched Clannad and plan to play the game, unless it's an oversexualized version full of this crap, in which case I'd rather stick to the anime.
This shit is creepy, no two ways about it and you all defending it can miss me with that shit about "being concerned that it could affect other types of games".
What about that post you quoted is creepy though? The one that you said "Y'all really play this shit?"
The character doesn't appear to be underage. Is it just because its sexualized, or do you disagree and think she looks too young, or...? If you just mean that sexualization for the sole sake of titillation is creepy, I'm...well I'd say I disagree but I can't exactly tell someone "this isn't creepy at all" when that's their own choice to make.
 

kpaadet

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And someone should have told Sony to finally put out some PR explaining their policy clearly. Shit isn't exactly hard. And the fact they keep ping ponging on what they seem to be fine or not fine with as well is ridiculous.
I didn't know you were a dev, if your annoyed by the ambiguity of their policies you can always skip their platform.
 

HockeyBird

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Yeah, the examples of "adult" designs some people are giving aren't cutting it. I have seen my fair share of anime and I have seen shows with high school characters more adult looking than the ones shown here. And by more adult looking, I mean that they look like they age they are depicted. Even then, it's still creepy when they are sexualized. The examples given here are clearly designed to make the characters appear more child-like. Hey maybe in that show or in that game everyone looks like a child. That's fine but art style should match subject matter. If your goal is to make everything look sexy for the benefit of the viewer/player, then going with child designs is bad. It's like in the porn industry where having an 18-year old is not enough. They make actress look and act younger than that. Technically legal but the it is implied you are watching teen performing sex acts.
 

AztecComplex

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Wait what? I guess that's just bad parenting on my side as i was basically doing all of that at 16. I thought it was normal with how common it was in parties. My bad, for my misinform post.
Oh you can try to do all those things before 18 but that doesn't mean you should or that its legal.

It IS illegal to sell alcohol or cigarettes to an under 18 person. Some still are able to buy but they're breaking the law (buyer and seller). The fact that people still do doesn't make them legal adults.

Someone older must've bought that alcohol you drank at 16, or had a fake ID or the clerk just plainly broke the law.

Same thing with casinos. Under 18 is strictly prohibited and you can't apply for an INE card to vote on elections a second before you turn 18.

Out of all these the one I find the most difficult to believe is you claiming you didn't know 18 was the bare minimum age to be able to buy and consume alcohol in Mexico. C'mon, let's be real.
 

TrishaCat

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Does this look like a child to y'all?

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julia crawford

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Meh, emphasis on prohibition without reinforcing or pushing for positive representation leaves this feeling especially vacuous.
 

Sanlei

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Googling Nora to Oujo to Noraneko Heart brought me to:

NSFW

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This appears to be from the actual show, not fan art or anything

and this is the series art on crunchyroll

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maybe you should quit while you're ahead, friend
Citing a 3m short anime with different artstyle and direction for an 30+ hour VN isnt helping.
One of the episodes literally shows real goats instead of anything from the VN:

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Is it really a challenge to use VNDB instead of MAL? Or even screenshots from the console versions like Sony probably does?

Its like talking about Games while bringing up the Super Mario Bros. Movie. Adaptions and Spin-offs arent representative just because your search brings them up. Seems like an common error in this thread.
fan_bobhoskins_supermariobr.jpg

This movie clearly has guns in it and therefore the Mario games shouldnt be allowed for children.
 
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Famassu

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Then why do Sony refuse to finally put their policy out there in clear words for anyone to see? Shitloads of people here continue to assume they mean something they've never even hinted at all.
They say it. They don't want sexualized young characters who could appear underage. That's about as clear as it gets. They have nothing against adult nudity (they just released a PS+ game with possible female and male full frontal nudity and have several first party games with adult, naked women). This shit isn't unclear to anyone but the makers and consumers of gross content sexualizing young girls for whom this shit has seemingly become so normalized they don't see it.


And please stop playing anime pedo bait games/watching pedo bait anime if you think that character is clearly a 20-something university student. Cut out her head and put it among anime characters' heads who are 14-15 and I'm pretty that if we played a round of "which one of these is supposedly an adult", you'd be hard pressed to be able to pick her out from the crowd with any level of confidence. Drawing balloon tits on a character like her doesn't change that. It just makes it grosser.
 

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Out of all these the one I find the most difficult to believe is you claiming you didn't know 18 was the bare minimum age to be able to buy and consume alcohol in Mexico. C'mon, let's be real.
I'm Mexican American, and the times I did went to visit my relatives they always wanted to get me drunk the instant I got there. Though, that's partly my fault for dodging so many times and only visiting on special occasions, and also for not checking country laws.
 

AztecComplex

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I'm Mexican American, and the times I did went to visit my relatives they always wanted to get me drunk the instant I got there. Though, that's partly my fault for dodging so many times and only visiting on special occasions.
So I was right and someone else was buying the alcohol for you then.

If you're Mexican American it's even stranger you didn't know the legal age for drinking. There's so many stories of 18-20 year old Americans crossing the border to Mexico to get drunk because of the legal age for buying alcohol here being 18 instead of 21 like it's in the US. Why do you think so many young Californians go to party in TJ (Tijuana)? Because they can drink!

Anyway! Like I said, when you're 17 you're not considered an adult in Mexico by any stretch of the law.
 

Deleted member 35077

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If you're Mexican American it's even stranger you didn't know the legal age for drinking. There's so many stories of 18-20 year old Americans crossing the border to Mexico to get drunk because of the legal age for buying alcohol here being 18 istead of 21 like it's in the US.
I'm not a party guy, so I only go to parties when I'm forced to, which was alot, and in those situations I thought it was best to follow the group instead of causing a commotion. After turning 18, I just stopped, along with drinking, because I just hated that lifestyle.
 

Famassu

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We're talking about DMC5 right? That game isn't aimed at children, is available on multiple platforms, and Sony is the outlier with an awkward blur over sensitive bits.

Apologies if we're not talking about that game
Again, other scenes were "censored" on all platforms. Maybe they meant to "censor" that scene on all platforms as well but someone messed up some code and the effect doesn't render. And they fixed it for PS4 first but then got so much backlash that they abandoned the change on other platforms before adding it and backpedaled with the PS4 version.
 

Asuka3+1

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Again, other scenes were "censored" on all platforms. Maybe they meant to "censor" that scene on all platforms as well but someone messed up some code and the effect doesn't render. And they fixed it for PS4 first but then got so much backlash that they abandoned the change on other platforms before adding it and backpedaled with the PS4 version.
m8 again, this was not :a mistake: cause it was added by a patch after release, and after backslash, removed by another patch.
 

Famassu

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m8 again, this was not :a mistake: cause it was added by a patch after release, and after backslash, removed by another patch.
I'm saying maybe the initial non-"censored" version was a mistake that they intended to fix with a patch but due to backlash to the initial "censor" on PS4, they backpedaled with the PS4 version and didn't go forward with "censoring" the other versions either.
 

BernardoOne

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They say it. They don't want sexualized young characters who could appear underage. That's about as clear as it gets. They have nothing against adult nudity (they just released a PS+ game with possible female and male full frontal nudity and have several first party games with adult, naked women). This shit isn't unclear to anyone but the makers and consumers of gross content sexualizing young girls for whom this shit has seemingly become so normalized they don't see it.


And please stop playing anime pedo bait games/watching pedo bait anime if you think that character is clearly a 20-something university student. Cut out her head and put it among anime characters' heads who are 14-15 and I'm pretty that if we played a round of "which one of these is supposedly an adult", you'd be hard pressed to be able to pick her out from the crowd with any level of confidence. Drawing balloon tits on a character like her doesn't change that. It just makes it grosser.
They don't say it. There's yet to be a single statement from them saying it is.
 

Famassu

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That wasn't said by any Sony spokesperson.
"Sony officials said executives at the company have grown concerned that its global reputation could take a hit from sexually explicit content sold only in a few markets. One of their biggest concerns is software sold in the company's home market of Japan, which traditionally has had more tolerance for near-nudity and images of young women who might appear underage."
 

spam musubi

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They don't say it. There's yet to be a single statement from them saying it is.

Why are you so insistent on sony clarifying the policy? With stuff like this it's hard to define a clear cut line because people will always use dumb arguments like "well she's actually a 1000 year old dragon" to circumvent the letter of the rule. Keeping it vague lets them enforce the spirit of the rule instead.

I asked this a few pages earlier, but what exactly is the content you're afraid will be harmed from the rules being slightly too vague? What's to lose by being a bit too harsh on child porn?
 

Famassu

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They don't say it. There's yet to be a single statement from them saying it is.
"Sony officials said executives at the company have grown concerned that its global reputation could take a hit from sexually explicit content sold only in a few markets. One of their biggest concerns is software sold in the company's home market of Japan, which traditionally has had more tolerance for near-nudity and images of young women who might appear underage."
 

iRAWRasaurus

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Looks like an anime character in University working part time

Meanwhile people are like

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I take it that you don't want to carry on with the belief that this only affects one type of content then.
Googling Nora to Oujo to Noraneko Heart brought me to:

NSFW
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This appears to be from the actual show, not fan art or anything

and this is the series art on crunchyroll

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maybe you should quit while you're ahead, friend
yeah it's a VN that's... 18+ you get turned into a cat and yeah..the anime has no 18+ material and is the regular ecchi harem high school tropes.

Both are in high school so underage, depending on your country's law but you get the idea.
Is this an adult?


Can somebody seriously tell me this is an adult? Wiki tells me she is 18 years old but that's bullshit. No 18 years old look like this. Looks barely 14.
1000 year old dragon.
 

TrishaCat

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Why are you so insistent on sony clarifying the policy? With stuff like this it's hard to define a clear cut line because people will always use dumb arguments like "well she's actually a 1000 year old dragon" to circumvent the letter of the rule. Keeping it vague lets them enforce the spirit of the rule instead.
Platforms should have clear cut seriously defined clarified rules so that developers know exactly what they can and cannot do. Rules should not only be in place to dictate what can and cannot be on a platform, but also to dictate what Sony can and cannot allow. Placing clearly defined rules makes it easier for developers to develop their games in advance with the intention of following the rules with the trust in mind that Sony will in turn follow through on their word.
By not giving strict clarification, leaving things open to interpretation leads to not only developer confusion, but a lack of consistency, as there's no grounds for consistent rules to be enforced to begin with. And a lack of consistency makes things unfair, as a developer may be able to do one thing while another developer can do another, and developers can point and say "well you allowed this!" and so on. Its also just costly for developers to not know, develop something, and then be told "you can't do this".
 

MegaXZero

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"Sony officials said executives at the company have grown concerned that its global reputation could take a hit from sexually explicit content sold only in a few markets. One of their biggest concerns is software sold in the company's home market of Japan, which traditionally has had more tolerance for near-nudity and images of young women who might appear underage."
You do know that's not a direct quote right and it's the author giving context? The article even mentions they refused to give details about the guidelines.
 

BernardoOne

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Why are you so insistent on sony clarifying the policy? With stuff like this it's hard to define a clear cut line because people will always use dumb arguments like "well she's actually a 1000 year old dragon" to circumvent the letter of the rule. Keeping it vague lets them enforce the spirit of the rule instead.

I asked this a few pages earlier, but what exactly is the content you're afraid will be harmed from the rules being slightly too vague? What's to lose by being a bit too harsh on child porn?
They can't even keep their standard straight and seemingly change their minds overnight, and have already started affecting games like DMCV(which only got reversed due to immense backlsh). It's time for them to actual clear policy out in the open. This isn't hard.
"Sony officials said executives at the company have grown concerned that its global reputation could take a hit from sexually explicit content sold only in a few markets. One of their biggest concerns is software sold in the company's home market of Japan, which traditionally has had more tolerance for near-nudity and images of young women who might appear underage."
That's not Sony's statement, it's the writer's comment on it. The thread title literally got edited due to this. They gave no details.
 

iRAWRasaurus

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Needless to say, I wonder if Sony will face a backlash from Japanese gamers based on some previous Japanese games being censored.
 

spam musubi

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They can't even keep their standard straight and seemingly change their minds overnight, and have already started affecting games like DMCV(which only got reversed due to immense backlsh). It's time for them to actual clear policy out in the open. This isn't hard.

That's not Sony's statement, it's the writer's comment on it. The thread title literally got edited due to this. They gave no details.

You keep stating that it got reversed due to immense backlash, but the backlash was a fart in the wind, and you have no evidence that the reversal or the original censorship had anything to do with this, and you're just dodging my question.

Platforms should have clear cut seriously defined clarified rules so that developers know exactly what they can and cannot do. Rules should not only be in place to dictate what can and cannot be on a platform, but also to dictate what Sony can and cannot allow. Placing clearly defined rules makes it easier for developers to develop their games in advance with the intention of following the rules with the trust in mind that Sony will in turn follow through on their word.
By not giving strict clarification, leaving things open to interpretation leads to not only developer confusion, but a lack of consistency, as there's no grounds for consistent rules to be enforced to begin with. And a lack of consistency makes things unfair, as a developer may be able to do one thing while another developer can do another, and developers can point and say "well you allowed this!" and so on. Its also just costly for developers to not know, develop something, and then be told "you can't do this".

Developers could just be safe by not making games that let you grope underage children, they wouldn't really run the risk of getting hit by this policy then. I know that might be a hard challenge for some developers, but them's the breaks.