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Cipherr

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Oct 26, 2017
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My problem is not with the policy per se but the idea that Sony will be some wise autocratic entity with deciding what constitutes sexually explicit or not. I feel like any big corporation deciding on questions of morality is always a bad idea.

This is unreasonable to me. This is basically saying no corporation should draw any lines at all... without actually saying it. They have to decide on a line at some point, or its a FFA. And FFA's end up being a mess with a slow creep into some seriously messed up 'ish.

So why does Sony feel the need to regulate what grown adults are allowed to buy?

Sounds like Sony feels the need to regulate what they allow on THEIR platform... the platform they own. Which they both should, and have every right to. If you want to buy something, you can go buy it. But they don't have to allow any and everything on their platform.
 

RoaminRonin

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Nov 6, 2017
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The DMCV argument is horseshit anyway, because you can play Conan Exiles right now with bare breast hanging out freely.
 

Dreazy

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So according to some people in this thread who are happy about this meaning "less big titty anime fighters", how do you have a issue with Dead or Alive but none with Mortal Kombat 11, shit is so weird to me how people are afraid of some fucking boobs, but are fine with extreme body mutilation an murder porn, god forbid we see some jiggling tits tho lol
 

House_Of_Lightning

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So why does Sony feel the need to regulate what grown adults are allowed to buy?

Current political climate and their wanting to gain good social karma.

Assuming this is just general cracking down in sexually explicit material. If their policy only applies to situations with subjects of questionable age then I understand their apprehension.
 

Siggy-P

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Mar 18, 2018
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Can we not with the DMC5 stuff? That's clearly a red herring at best considering the content is no different on the PS4 version currently.

I mean it has its problems but it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand for that reason.

It's the only fake argument they have. As bullshit as it clearly it, they're gonna keep posting about it for the continuation of this thread.

Everyone knows it's only the peadophilic content getting removed. Everyone understands that.
 

iamandy

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Nov 6, 2017
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Can we not with the DMC5 stuff? That's clearly a red herring at best considering the content is no different on the PS4 version currently.

I mean it has its problems but it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand for that reason.

I think a lot of people will cling to it, even if it's false, because all the arguments to defend loli / pedo content revolve around this liar example.
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I think Sony has the right to go above and beyond what ESRB/CERO allows. Nintendo basically did that in the 80's/90's. Whatever. It's Sony's console. Sony has the final say on what their console should be.

But Sony shouldn't be cancelling PS4 games days before they launch (or threatening to cancel them if you don't meet their new censorship requirements). They should be upfront about their position and nip these games in the bud during the "concept approval" stage. Sony knew damn well what kind of a game Senran Kagura 7 was when they courted Marvelous to make it a PS4 exclusive, and yet they were perfectly fine with this kind of content through years of wasted development, until days before the game launched. Then all of a sudden they do a 180 and attack the game with "Won't somebody please think of the virtual children!" And some people are okay with that, because apparently for some people, all questionable moves are justified as soon as anyone plays the "pedophile" card.

Also, more than a per-game thing, this is probably the sort of direction change that should be made clear around the launch of a console, not five years into it's life. And especially not coming after the PS Vita. People knew what they were getting into when they bought an NES or SNES because Nintendo was entirely upfront about it.
 

Deleted member 35077

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So according to some people in this thread who are happy about this meaning "less big titty anime fighters", how do you have a issue with Dead or Alive but none with Mortal Kombat 11, shit is so weird to me how people are afraid of some fucking boobs, but are fine with extreme body mutilation an murder porn, god forbid we see some jiggling tits tho lol
Funnily enough, despite the cast being all 18 there are features missing on the remaster of DoAX on PS4, but were in the Switch version release on the same time. Like really, don't remove them from the whole cast when most of them are over 20 years old, and the very least only apply it to the two 18 year olds.
 
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PSqueak

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Oct 25, 2017
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So according to some people in this thread who are happy about this meaning "less big titty anime fighters", how do you have a issue with Dead or Alive but none with Mortal Kombat 11, shit is so weird to me how people are afraid of some fucking boobs, but are fine with extreme body mutilation an murder porn, god forbid we see some jiggling tits tho lol

Mortal Kombat is rated M, a lot of titty anime fighters are rated T at the most. That's the difference really, Mature adults want their murder gore? whatever floats their boat, but Japanese standards market oversexualization to teens and as a result the material also features teen characters being sexualized.

This is why Anime avatars have a reputation in the internet, 30 something people who are into sexualized teenagers because they grew up, but the characters in anime and the target audience remains 15, that's what's being cracked on here.

So in short, want people to not bitch about tiddy? Put those tiddies on a grown ass adult woman and rate that game M.
 
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iamandy

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Nov 6, 2017
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In the end, the solution is simple: anyone who wants this DaA Xtreme style content or pedo games, buy them in the Switch.
 

RoaminRonin

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Nov 6, 2017
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so you call DMC V Bull, and next goes on with a game release way before as an example, by that logic Sony should not even be doing this case all god of War games.

The DMCV thing is on Capcom, you have a problem with that? bring it up with them. Like I said Conan Exiles since laucnh has bare-breasted females and if you play on your own server you can even have the male dongs hanging out.
 

Asuka3+1

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The DMCV thing is on Capcom, you have a problem with that? bring it up with them. Like I said Conan Exiles since laucnh has bare-breasted females and if you play on your own server you can even have the male dongs hanging out.
yeah, capcom decide out of their own will that PS4 Western version alone shall have magic lights while all other ports did not. legit
and as I said, Conan was before they started to enforce it, unless you want em to work on a retro-active policy and make ALL past PS4 games get an update.
 

Bossking

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Nov 20, 2017
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The DMCV thing is on Capcom, you have a problem with that? bring it up with them. Like I said Conan Exiles since laucnh has bare-breasted females and if you play on your own server you can even have the male dongs hanging out.

Wasn't Conan Exiles released a year ago, before this new policy was implemented? It's possible that a new sequel wouldn't allow that.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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In the end, the solution is simple: anyone who wants this DaA Xtreme style content or pedo games, buy them in the Switch.

In the end, the solution is simple: Sony needs to be clear about what type of sexualized content is not going to be allowed. Just because people want to Sony to be clear doesn't mean they play, support, or are in favor of pedo games. That type of generalization and acquisition is disgusting.
 

Siggy-P

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Mar 18, 2018
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yeah, capcom decide out of their own will that PS4 Western version alone shall have magic lights while all other ports did not. legit
and as I said, Conan was before they started to enforce it, unless you want em to work on a retro-active policy and make ALL past PS4 games get an update.

As posted repeatedly in this thread, Capcom faced no restrictions removing that lightbox their own free will.

How do you justify that Sony forced DMCV to censor a single butt (pure conjecture on your part) when Metro Exodus has nudity and came out around the same time?
 

Deleted member 48897

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So according to some people in this thread who are happy about this meaning "less big titty anime fighters", how do you have a issue with Dead or Alive but none with Mortal Kombat 11, shit is so weird to me how people are afraid of some fucking boobs, but are fine with extreme body mutilation an murder porn, god forbid we see some jiggling tits tho lol

Part of it is that physical violence is somewhat inherently baked into the fighter genre.
We have a whole thread on the question of the sexualization of the characters involved in the game but the basic summary of that issue is that it only goes in one direction.
Things like those X-ray attacks are pretty dumb and don't make a whole lot of sense in the larger context, though, I agree.
 

iamandy

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In the end, the solution is simple: Sony needs to be clear about what type of sexualized content is not going to be allowed. Just because people want to Sony to be clear doesn't mean they play, support, or are in favor of pedo games. That type of generalization and acquisition is disgusting.

As I said before, a company will never say in all letters that it will ban such content, as it brings along the message that it allowed this sort of thing so far.

The message is clear, and large developers are well aware of what they can and can not do.
 

Bayouswampman

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Oct 27, 2018
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How do you justify that Sony forced DMCV to censor a single butt (pure conjecture on your part) when Metro Exodus has nudity and came out around the same time?

Soul Calibur 6 has character customization that allows you to put young characters like Talim or Amy in bikinis and ogle them all you want but the new Neptunia game has a picture of an adult woman censored cause you could see her panties.

The answer is that there is actually zero consistency to Sony's bullshit.
 

Deleted member 35077

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Do you really think Sony would declare that they will pass banning loli / pedo games? It would be a confession that they have allowed such games to this day. I thought this was obvious to everyone.

Today, as a global and expanding brand, and with a lot of people worrying about things that conservatives consider normal, the return of these niche games is very small because of the risk they cause.

But it seems that some only understand if everything is written with all the letters.
I also want an explanation as to why Japanese developers need to fill out the paperwork in English, and at times even portions of the game, when the game are never planned for a localization. This is just extra unneeeded work, even for games with no fanservice.
 
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Deleted member 47318

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Hopefully these games will just skip Playstation in the future then. If Sony doesn't want to earn money off of them, let Nintendo and Valve do it instead.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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As I said before, a company will never say in all letters that it will ban such content, as it brings along the message that it allowed this sort of thing so far.

The message is clear, and large developers are well aware of what they can and can not do.

That makes perfect sense. So are you saying devs have set guidelines that aren't public?
 

Siggy-P

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Mar 18, 2018
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Soul Calibur 6 has character customization that allows you to put young characters like Talim or Amy in bikinis and ogle them all you want but the new Neptunia game has a picture of an adult woman censored cause you could see her panties.

The answer is that there is actually zero consistency to Sony's bullshit.

Lmao. A quick Google search and those Neptunia characters are clearly not of age.
 

kpaadet

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Oct 30, 2017
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yeah, capcom decide out of their own will that PS4 Western version alone shall have magic lights while all other ports did not. legit
and as I said, Conan was before they started to enforce it, unless you want em to work on a retro-active policy and make ALL past PS4 games get an update.
Why did Sony not want the JPN version censored? Does Sony not know the internet exist and it would get out? Hell in the OP it even says:
The second was the emergence of channels on sites like YouTube and Amazon Inc.'s Twitch where gamers play in front of a camera and are watched by fans online. That means games meeting Japan's laxer standards can get world-wide exposure.
Why was Lady censored in all versions? Does Sony's power know no bound?
 

TaySan

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Good on Sony for cutting that crap off their platform. Anything that normalize pedophilia or sexual assault does not deserve a platform.
 
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B.O.O.M.

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I came into this thread thinking everyone (or at least almost everyone) will applaud Sony for this...but lol I should have known.

OT: Thank fuck. Good move from Sony and I'm all for it.
 

Famassu

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Oct 27, 2017
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1) we have already had the DMC V scenario and some of the VN with god ray WERE NOT UNDERAGE by any stretch.
2) ignoring broad secret guidelines just cause "welp so far it has not affect what I like so no problemo" is like sitting on a house fire and waiting for the fire to reach you before panicking. yeah sure, right now Sony is only targeting Japanese devs and likely small times. but what if they decide to control the content of the next elders scroll or GTA?

also, from a dev perspective. is not only "welp we will have to censor this part". so far who the pipelines for this work, all it does is delay the product and increase the expenses (cause they 1st have to show the product to Sony and they wait for Sony to asnwer em back with what hast to be changed without explanation of why, just that IT HAS TO GO OR ELSE.
Not allowing sexualized minors is not some slippery slope that will lead to Evil Tyrant Sony to prevent all mature, sexual content. Don't be dumb. Sony has released those kinds of games themselves.
 

Ferrs

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Oct 26, 2017
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So according to some people in this thread who are happy about this meaning "less big titty anime fighters", how do you have a issue with Dead or Alive but none with Mortal Kombat 11, shit is so weird to me how people are afraid of some fucking boobs, but are fine with extreme body mutilation an murder porn, god forbid we see some jiggling tits tho lol

Why are you assuming people dont?
 

iamandy

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That makes perfect sense. So are you saying devs have set guidelines that aren't public?

I do not have this information, so I can not say anything about it. But what is clear to me is that large publishers understand this message without the need for translation that some are asking for.

Of course there are no good boys in this story. Everyone is looking at their belly button and their own pocket. This loli content was useful to Sony when it was big in Japan and on portable consoles. Today, with the current world and the current positioning of the brand and type of content that it is offering, run the risk of being associated with pedophilia, rape, abuse of women and other accepted practices in some countries and among some conservative groups is no longer worth the cost of risk.

I think the gamer community does not miss anything valuable with this, because most developers have good sense to even need the Sony Intervention.
 

BaconHat

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They still haven't explicitated the actual guidelines? At this point, maybe they are leaving it vague on purpose to be able to still refine them in a case-by-case basis as time flies by.

Can we not with the DMC5 stuff? That's clearly a red herring at best considering the content is no different on the PS4 version currently.

I mean it has its problems but it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand for that reason.
Tbf, if the changes were originally made by Capcom because they were not sure about this and then were later changed back when they got the info that Sony was not gonna ask them to change it, that would point to the guidelines still being too vague right now for devs.
 

aSqueakyLime

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why are we singling out PS4 when other platforms also have censorship? You understand this makes no sense right. Please point to where I defend disgaea's depiction of some of their characters. Also please do not tell me this is the "college aged" VN you're talking about it, because it's literally what i described


How does this look underaged at all?

The eyes are big but welcome to anime. Everything else is proportioned adult-like like the broader shoulders.
 

RoninStrife

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Good good Sony. About time this is policy. As long as this is for illegal / pedophile type crap that has no place in this world. Just don't censor violence etc for mature rated R like MK 12 etc.
 
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spam musubi

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Oct 25, 2017
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People who are very upset about unclear expectations, what is the problem here? What risk do we run by being a bit too harsh on sexualized underage girls? What content are you worried will get affected by this?
 

JCG

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I came into this thread thinking everyone (or at least almost everyone) will applaud Sony for this...but lol I should have known.

OT: Thank fuck. Good move from Sony and I'm all for it.

One can agree with the current outcome of this policy and still not believe it is being handled in the proper way. I won't lose sleep over these restrictions, 90% of the time, but I would prefer a different way of publicly communicating them and making the whole process better, with no room for ambiguity or inconsistency, so that the Japanese developers will avoid creating the content involved from the beginning.
 

Pororoka

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I think it is pretty clear to what are the regulations are for and those trying to spin it for the wrong are just trying to justify their behavior. If you want to be sure, don't put anything questionable on your game.

Good on them to stand after that and smh to those that are defending minors on sexual situations and labeling as censoring.

And the people asking what the regulation applies to even when te answer is so obvious reminds me of this:

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Famassu

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So according to some people in this thread who are happy about this meaning "less big titty anime fighters", how do you have a issue with Dead or Alive but none with Mortal Kombat 11, shit is so weird to me how people are afraid of some fucking boobs, but are fine with extreme body mutilation an murder porn, god forbid we see some jiggling tits tho lol
Context matters. If people fight against each other, they are going to get hurt. In no context does it make sense that women would dress like 90% of women in games dress. If you're going to fight, you are not going to wear a bikini armor. Objectification of women also creates a very uneven playfield. Overt sexualization & objectification of women is also a problem in that it has consequences IRL, especially when it's so invasive in so many aspects of society. Having these unrealistic depictions of women can affect both men and women in negative ways, when it's forced on them in so many aspects of their lives.

Plus your dumb argument is disingenuous anyways because people do criticize overt violence.
 

Ragnorok64

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It feels like they don't want to actually define thier policies so they can continue to be totally arbitrary it thier enforcement.