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Sony Cracks Down on Sexually Explicit Content in Games (Article States That It Refers to Underage Characters: Check Threadmarks)
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do we know for a fact outright stated by Sony or Capcom? no (and likely never will after the backslash no one will accept if even if they did)
BUT, seems to be too much of a "coincidence" that the majestic lights only happened on the Western Version on PS4 version only. so take that as you might
Western PS4 version had nudity that was censored with "the god rays" and it was subsequently patched out after people took note of it. Personally I find it unlikely that Sony mandated that censor in the first place, but it can be assumed that it was there because the developers might have been skeptical in regards to Sony's unclear policies at the time, and that's really the concern here. Being vague just means some developers might not want to risk wasting time and resources.
I don't have a problem with Sony not wanting games that are solely designed to present women as sex objects ( and on top of that sometimes being under-age). Nothing is lost if we never get another DOA beach volleyball game.
If Capcom's being wary, it only comes down to the lack of guidelines. There's a huge difference between "Sony's requiring even scenes of adult characters to be changed" vs "we just thought they might have us change it".
As I've been saying, they should address this and make the policies much clearer. But if they didn't require it, it is incorrect to point to DMC as an example of a required change and therefore there's no real examples of them not targeting anything other than what they've indicated. Which means there is no reason for concern for Cyberpunk or whatever other game people are worried about, barring the people making those games making some particularly gross decisions.
This argument about precise guidelines doesn't even pan out in the real world and I don't even believe it's possible to have clear guidelines that won't always be causing issues.
Sexist garbage like this is so ingrained in some developers design process that saying, "don't have underage girls getting groped" does absolutely fucking nothing in preventing those designs. A developer will just make a character that looks underage but they'll be confused as to why it was rejected because they absolutely don't think the character is underage given how used to those shit designs they are. That's how ingrained and normalized this garbage has become.
There's no amount of clear guidelines that will fix how ingrained the sexist garbage is from a design perspective.
Sexist garbage like this is so ingrained in some developers design process that saying, "don't have underage girls getting groped" does absolutely fucking nothing in preventing those designs. A developer will just make a character that looks underage but they'll be confused as to why it was rejected because they absolutely don't think the character is underage given how used to those shit designs they are. That's how ingrained and normalized this garbage has become.
There's no amount of clear guidelines that will fix how ingrained the sexist garbage is from a design perspective.
the problem is, or at least I see it, is that giving people guidelines also allows em to look for loopholes to circumvent em. which wont be on Sony interest. keeping it hiding and broad means sony has total control over it.
If it's the Western version only, that's more likely to be just Capcom, isn't it? Because Sony's certainly been using these policies on Japanese releases otherwise, right?
But if you ignore the region- that... doesn't really indicate anything in either direction of what I asked? Obviously it was changed only on PS4, so it was due to the policy existing. But people are acting like it was because the policy required it when it was seemingly because they were needlessly worried it might, and a change happening at all really doesn't indicate it was the former.
Once again, there's censorship in other scenes on other platforms. Which means that the censorship not being present is a glitch. In fact, the ESRB backs this up
https://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=35679&Title=Devil+May+Cry+5
"Some female characters are depicted partially nude, with their breasts and buttocks minimally covered by blood, light, or clothing. "
Day 1 patch added censorship that should have been there in the first place. Trish scene getting censored was probably an accident.
Is the only qualifier whether someone looks underage their bust size? lmao, you might need help then.
Ah, put double the words in my mouth.
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Aha, interesting, sounds like it'll be safer (for the kids) to go with the PS versions going forward then.
This.
Sony, its not hard to be CLEAR CUT about this.
Just say
We are banning any kind of content depicting underage looking characters involved in sexual activities.
It's not rocket science
Hope that Sony hurries up and puts some actual guidelines out there, instead of this shitty system they have now.
Developers should age up their characters when they're too young, but we've already seen grown-ass women get God Ray'd so their judgment clearly isn't very good.
Developers should also stop putting all their eggs in one basket. Censored cheesecake is a big turn-off for part of the audience, and they should be releasing on other platforms as well.
Developers should age up their characters when they're too young, but we've already seen grown-ass women get God Ray'd so their judgment clearly isn't very good.
Developers should also stop putting all their eggs in one basket. Censored cheesecake is a big turn-off for part of the audience, and they should be releasing on other platforms as well.
Exactly what I'm thinking.
What are you talking about? Lady was censored on all versions. But PS4 in the West got a day 1 patch that censored Trish. Only recently did Trish in the NA version get uncensored but Europe still has it.
wtf is with this forum and people arguing based on hearsay? It takes 5 seconds to google search the whole DMC5 situation.
How old are those girls though (googled), the pink haired one looks like she's portraying someone in her low teens, if at the teens age at all.
Edit: Oh what the heck, the black hair, eye patched, cat ears one is surely a child.
They should definitely stop allowing games with characters that look like children being sexualized to be on their platform. My only worry is how far the rules will go, like what about a game like Persona 5 or Life is Strange with high school age kids getting into relationships and exploring their sexuality. Should be interesting to see where Sony draws the line.
but what if is not only about underage looking character? ergo why they kept it vague on purpose
User banned (Permanent): peddling rhetoric associated with hate movements + long history of defending misogynistic content
California Sony at work. I'll buy that it's only limited to underage anime girls when they stop censoring things like DMC5 for no reason.
Based on the article and earlier pieces, it seems their current practice is based on almost the opposite of this.
That is, there have been developer comments about a new procedure to provide feedback after the game has been submitted for certification to Sony. Which implies there were no clear guidelines provided early in the game development process. The refusal to publicly spell out the details of the policy guidelines is also indicative of this.
That may be good from Sony's perspective because it gives them a free hand to require any and all changes at their own discretion, but it is going to involve extra efforts and possibly additional expenses for the developers, who have already made a nearly finished product and need to make changes late into the schedule.
That makes me wonder...has anyone already sued a company over footage from Twitch or other streaming content platforms?
Beyond that, I think that since the #MeToo movement is brought up as a factor, Sony should do more to better moderate interactions during online multiplayer sessions. That is where women are receiving a lot of harassment from other players.
Let's go on record:
- Characters having sex: OK
- Both male and female Characters equally showing skin in a sexualized manner: OK
- Nonsexualized nudity that makes sense in context: OK
- Only female characters being sexualized: Not OK
- Characters sexualizing themselves as a part of their character(e.g. Bayonetta): OK
- Only female characters being sexualized in a way that's out of their agency in the context of the game(e.g. male gaze): Fuck No OK
- Children being sexualized: Call the Police
after a backlash, specially cause the direct competitors were not censored.
I read the treadmark and it's not clear at all that it refers to underage sexualisation. In fact it seems to be talking more about the MeToo movement and Twitch. The underage bit seems to be added by the writer.
Don't know why mods chose this thread title, I came to this thread thinking that they had finally made their position clear but that's obviously not the case.
Don't know why mods chose this thread title, I came to this thread thinking that they had finally made their position clear but that's obviously not the case.
Well adult Trishs butt in DMC 5 didn't seem to be fine. We will see.
I don't know what those games are about but do they feature sexualization of minors ?
Why am I suspicious that even if Sony were to come out with a specific statement about guidelines prohibiting the sexualizations of minors, that it would only ever be used as a cudgel by armchair "just asking questions" lawyers the next time content is cut or modified for a localized release that doesn't exactly conform to the letter of said hypothetical standards.
Again, that was reversed. It seems like Capcom was erring on the side of caution due to Sony being absolutely terrible at actually communicating their guidelines.
I only ask they have actual guidelines so we know what they're looking for. I'm fine with them cracking down on the creepy underage shit and molestation mini games, but the lack of actual guidelines is just going to add more situations like DMC5 in the future.
Also people's perception on what looks underage when it comes to anime art styles has always been inconsistent. Like the obvious loli shit is obvious, but each of these threads have people arguing about if a character is underage or not.
Also people's perception on what looks underage when it comes to anime art styles has always been inconsistent. Like the obvious loli shit is obvious, but each of these threads have people arguing about if a character is underage or not.
I'm never quite sure what to think when it comes to Senran Kagura. My gut reaction is about the same as a show or movie that cast a bunch of hot 24 year old models to play highschool kids. It's an over the top pervy game, but a far cry from the pedo-bait lolis in a lot of other games.
I mean LiS or BtS had nothing beyond a few kisses, they aren't going to ban that. Plus in lIS1, they are all at least 18.
This is really not a great statement as it remains very vague at what needs to be censored and the same concerns could be easily applied to depiction of violence.
When they mention the Japanese market as the source of these games, it is clear that they are concerned about games that bring child sexuality and female objectification (I'm looking at Dead or Alive Xtreme).
Western violent and sensual games are not in the sights.
Western violent and sensual games are not in the sights.
You can't stop people from being silly, gross or arguing in bad faith, but I do think having concrete guidelines provided to the developers, not to players, early in the game development process would be useful to reduce a lot of the needless drama after release and to better avoid various forms of exploitation without coming across like a sloppy last minute modification.
Isnt that pic posted before in this thread that shows a loli straight from a SR game?
I think it's a different context of discovery of sexuality, adolescence and such, compared to these Japanese games that transform children into sexual objects so that the player man enjoys viewing and playing.
It is. There's an even younger looking character in the games as well.
So far, but the unclear DMC 5 case might have been a possible instance of it.
So it seems this is mostly aiming to censor the creepy loli anime underage girls shit. If so, then I am completely on board with this, those games where you can rub underage-looking schoolgirls are fucking terrible and they don't need to be present on this platform, or any other platform for that matter.