sorry but I think we will be better as society if we were allowed to brutally murder our enemiesOh ok
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and how do you know the pacth was not cause of the "backslash" about only PS4 version even in west being censored?
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Sony Cracks Down on Sexually Explicit Content in Games (Article States That It Refers to Underage Characters: Check Threadmarks)
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The system of developers and platform holders working with national rating boards like the ESRB, PEGI, and CERO works well. It holds people to standards appropriate to their own country, is fair and transparent, and keeps every developer and platform on an even standing. It works.
Sony's own implementation of standards has, so far, sounded like a nightmare for developers and has been heavily tinged with xenophobia. I'm really not a fan.
Sony's own implementation of standards has, so far, sounded like a nightmare for developers and has been heavily tinged with xenophobia. I'm really not a fan.
That's the part that pisses me off. They're doing so much about limiting the proliferation of games with beyond-the-pale sexualization of minors by... continuing to allow them on their platforms, but with additional edits. That'll show them!
I don't believe that Sony is able to differentiate between adult games and "pedo anime stuff", which means that I expect them to continue censoring sexual stuff no matter what. The DMC5 incident didn't give me much confidence for the contrary.
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Poor anime avatars.
Just don't censor grown up butts in M rated games and we are okay Sony
Just don't censor grown up butts in M rated games and we are okay Sony
The known whataboutistic phenomenon of comparing the acceptance of violence over hypersexualization.
Are you sure you want to pull the "muh censorship" argument in the context of what is being sexualized here?
That doesn't imply that it's only meant to restrict content like that, but it's one of their more primary concerns with this initiative. This other quote from a developer in the OP suggests that they are vague about the actual guidelines even with devs:
Not to mention that this vagueness can lead devs to self-censoring stuff that wouldn't actually be a problem, because Sony's stance seems, at times, unclear. It's not the end of the world or anything, but it's a dumb situation when they could just be explicit about what they don't want on their platform.
Was I implying it or can you just not read? I'm pretty sure it's the second of those two options.
And the worst part, they start making noises as if they are getting abused.
I can't believe this is even getting defended.
Indeed it has been reversed. It doesn't change the fact it only happened on PS4, thus showing it's not just about a specific age.
That was my question
before we got more quotes from the article (which anyway don't clarify that Sony's stance is specifically about this).
No? I'm not talking about a game series like the one where your avatar is coming from (Disgaea with the classic 1000 year old loli demons).
Shame, the ratings board should be the final say on what is, and is not allowed to be sold. I would all for it if these games were banned if they ruled it, like the UK rating board did with the oppai game.
Depends on where you live, as hard gore is absolutely look down upon in Japan to the point where none of the modern Mortal Kombat games will ever get release there. The changes needed will astronomical, which is why the games stopped being localized after the SNES era.
Depends on where you live, as hard gore is absolutely look down upon in Japan to the point where none of the modern Mortal Kombat games will ever get release there. The changes needed will astronomical, which is why the games stopped being localized after the SNES era.
I'll be honest.
Japanese developers have such an incredibly fucked up baseline when it comes to sexualization, that I don't really believe what they say on the matter.
Their norms for designs and sexualization practices can be so fucked up, that they probably changed the design and didn't even realize what other sexists garbage was included in the second iteration.
So yea, I don't take their word on this shit as meaning anything.
Not sure why people would be upset if this is just for sexualizing underage girls .
I do see the problem if it floats over to sexualization in general.
I do see the problem if it floats over to sexualization in general.
This is what I was thinking as well. So stuff like that is totally a-okay, right?Oh ok
After Sony got shitloads of backlash on how ridiculous it was, yes. Just like they only allow crossplay on games after enough people complain.
Ah yes the guidelines that you don't know about until after sony reviews the game. If they were so clear, you wouldn't have had capcom censoring their own game, then patching it out.
Yeah that's the thing isn't it? The article doesn't say what kind of sexualization they're cracking down on, it's an extremely "read between the lines" statement they're putting out. Yes, one of the pargraphs does point out that they're concerned about pedo content, but the article also points out concern about #MeToo, streaming sites, and so on.
It's kind of a cheap statement, one that's hard to put a lot of faith in. The only thing it really seems to explicitly say is "we don't trust Japan when it comes to sexual content". The concern from developers that they don't know what they're actually gonna include is probably going to lead to them not even bothering, or stuff like DMC5's haphazard censor.
ultimately only time will tell if this will be limited to "anime underage tiddy garbage" or "I do it cause I can" and just be randomly enforced on whatever sony wants/ feel like.
from ERA perspective many wil cheer both, but I can easily see this getting sour with some developers (specially the second option).
from ERA perspective many wil cheer both, but I can easily see this getting sour with some developers (specially the second option).
I disagree. Ratings agencies should be telling people when children are sexualized in games, and they should probably not be sold in stores in most countries. The Adults Only rating would be ironic in this case. More of a Pedophiles Only rating. They probably don't address this in the hopes it stays under the radar from publications like Wallstreet Journal.
Yeah but two wrongs don't make a right. And TLOU has underage violence.
None of these games are for children and yet children and young teens are the ones that still go for the violent video game. Sony shouldn't say they're trying to protect children when they still allow this shit to be promoted all over and showcasing how violent/gorey the game is on social media where kids will see it compared to these niche anime games that adults typically go for. If they want to censor it, more power to them but don't give me that bullshit excuse of trying to protect children's development.
Imagine being mad at shit like that not being allowed anymore.
She is 16 btw
Definitely better than pedophilia any day of the week yeah.
its a broad statement, the worst kind of statement for enforcing something cause they are giving emselves a free pass to covert a LOT of stuff
What? I'm just saying nobody disagrees with Sony banning sexualization of kids. They just need to explicitly define their policy so customers and developers know what to expect.
Same
Post about Mortal Kombat or God of War are irrelevant imo
Clearly Japanese ratings agencies drop the ball in this case, so the option is either no one does anything about it, or someone with actual power to make things better (Sony) takes a stance on it instead.
That's not what I was talking about. Studies prove computer game violence doesn't breed violence.
Sexuality is nature, part of being human.
Explicit sexuality and extreme gore are fine if they're between or depict acts between consenting adults, it's up to parents to keep their children away from this stuff while they're too young.
This will be a great thread to look at for the end of the year's dumb post of the year award.
Yeah, the issue isn't that Sony is doing this (they can govern their platform as they like), but how broadly the standard is applied.
That being said, their rollout of this change in policy sounds like a clusterfuck.
Are they going to censor just underaged looking character which is the reasonable thing to do or they'll try to censor something +18 like Cyberpunk?. Because after censoring DMC5 isn't clear.
I hate how much games targeted for adults shy away from showing a natural thing like sex and the human body and if sony is censoring everything developers will include even less.
I hate how much games targeted for adults shy away from showing a natural thing like sex and the human body and if sony is censoring everything developers will include even less.
Bingo bongo, you are wrongo. Was censored on PC too. Also nice deflection on the college aged thing, even if it doesn't make sense lol
is not about the sexualization (i guess) but about, instead of being face front that its something they dont want/ like they are pulling the same "Think of the children!!!" card that they used during "sorry, Xplay is bad!!!".
you want to censor X or Y in games cause you dont like it. its your platform, role with it, but just dont come up with silly excuses.
specially cause most of the games with X and Y are rate to NOT BE PLAYED by kids in 1st place
What do you mean "what"? My post was clear.
You asked "I don't understand why its so hard for Sony just to clarify a policy.", and I stated the fact that video game violence and sexuality is not something to fear, but child porn level content is, therefore the policy doesn't really require clarification because we know this.
And the article only mentions the latter type of content.
Yeah actually didn't need to see that.
Would really appreciate some NSFW tags for violence too.
She is 16 btw
...was this released on consoles? Fucking how do they allow that garbage
Why did the thread got updated with a wrong and misleading title?
It doesn't refer to underage characters, as shown by both the threadmark (OP/mods didn't read it?) and by examples of Sony's new policy so far.
Again, it's not about underage characters, or at least, definitely not only that (which the title imply). Shame that the title edit is basically misleading like that to avoid talking about the issue of Sony overriding rating boards decisions and adding more costs to developers without any precise guidelines (which is not the case on other platforms).
It doesn't refer to underage characters, as shown by both the threadmark (OP/mods didn't read it?) and by examples of Sony's new policy so far.
This part is context from the writer.
This part is about what led Sony to change their policy.
This part is about what the devs actually know about, since Sony refuse to say what their guidelines are.
Again, it's not about underage characters, or at least, definitely not only that (which the title imply). Shame that the title edit is basically misleading like that to avoid talking about the issue of Sony overriding rating boards decisions and adding more costs to developers without any precise guidelines (which is not the case on other platforms).
You really don't understand context do you? TLOU has violence as part of the story and setting. It would be bizarre for no violence to befall an underage character in that post apocalyptic world that is going for some form of realism. Senran Kagura and it's ilk on the other hand soley exists to tittilate using underage girls and its been a massive problem in Japan for a long time. That kind of stuff just perpetuates pedophilia and has real world consequences for children.
Now it's debatable that violent video games can affect children but the difference is those games aren't meant for children while the adults that enjoy games like Senran kagura are likely to hurt children in some way or another.
Cero Z games aren't actually allowed to be marketed and displayed in stores from my knowledge. The thing with Japan is that they don't weigh innuendo/implied nudity to the same extent as actual nudity. If your game has a nipple in it, it's getting slapped with the highest rating. That's why Senran Kagura gets to survive, because there's no actual nudity in the series.
Yeah I think the topic title is misleading as well. Nowhere do Sony actually say that what they're cracking down on is pedo content.
Yep, with the visual novel games all sex scenes were already removed with the console versions, but even with the characters being of legal age (18-21), they are still getting hit by the god rays.
