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Discoalucard

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I get why Japanese developers feel this is vague especially since time and money is involved. OOTH this reads like:

Sony: Please stop sexualizing children.

Dev/Pub: You're going to have be more specific.
 

Son of Sparda

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Oct 25, 2017
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So less actually mature content or simply less pedophile garbage?
They censored Trish's naked butt in one of the DMC5 scenes with a patch after the game was released (they changed it back to original after the outcry, but EU version still has the holy light of Cavalier if I'm not wrong), so I don't think we can say with certainty that it won't affect mature content involving adult characters until they actually detail what are these guidelines.
 
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Tagyhag

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Oct 27, 2017
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If it's just loli content then that's good (I don't like how vague they're being) but if they keep those games in their stores they're being hypocrites.
 
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Why is there this ideology that Sony is only targeting these types of games? This is also effecting AAA titles as well.
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This was later patched and got removed from the US version. If anything it was Capcom who did it.

More proof would be the scenes with Lady that got censored on everything.
 

Giever

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If it's just meant to apply to problematic underage stuff, why don't they say that rather than being dodgy and vague about it? As it is it seems like the actual guidelines are unclear to both consumers and developers, which is an idiotic situation.
 

Kage Maru

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm all about them getting rid of underage girls posing as adults in games. However I hope this doesn't restrict or censor games like the Witcher 4 for example in the future. There should still be the freedom to create adult themed games where appropriate.

And the first post is a meme mocking autistic people. This thread is off to a great start.

I had no idea that's what the meme is about. Absolutely disgusting, happy he's banned.
 

Kinsei

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why is there this ideology that Sony is only targeting these types of games? This is also effecting AAA titles as well.
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That was removed in a patch. It seems like Capcom was erring on the side of caution due the lack on info from Sony on what exactly the new guidelines entailed rather than them being forced to do it.
 

Skittles

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, but that doesn't reply to my question, since you were saying "violence vs underage girl sexualisation".

DMC5 has already been modified following that policy though. Same with some VNs with college-aged girls.
"college aged". Lemme guess they drew a child's face and threw huge tits on her?
 

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Fuck this shit. Fuck corporate censorship. Glad PC exists to be free of corporate overlords and that Nintendo/Microsoft just follow the ratings boards (for now at least).
False equivalence, which you already know if you've ever tried to make this bullshit argument on Era before.
The admins have declared it a false equivalence but that does not make it so.
 

Loudninja

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah I think it is ok as long as it is not the whole article. There really is a lot of stuff in the article. Definitely not a small article. For example, it is confirmed that Sony has new rules, but developers cannot disclose them due to NDAs and some creativity could be hindered. However, it is more that these seem to be from the Japan side of game development with underage children in scenes.
Its obvious what this is.
 

Gunny T Highway

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If it is censoring underage exploitation, sure I am all for it. If it is a much more mature adult content being censored it makes no sense to me. The western world is weird when it comes to this in particular the U.S.. Ultra Violence is okay, but if you show a boob everybody freaks the fuck out.
 

LAA

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Getting rid of all loli garbage is exactly what everyone should do. Sexual content starring adults, for adults, should not be touched though. (Outside of any promotion of real life violence and/or bigotry, obviously.) They should definitely state what the exact guidelines are though.

Also, not to wade into conflating violence and sexual content, but the idea that this is to "protect the development of children" is silly. Given that the vast amount of non-sexual adult content on Sony platforms don't seem to be getting any similarly strict guidelines, this is of course to protect the company from bad press, and ever changing censorship standards globally.

Pretty much this.
It concerned me the censorship for DMCV, and it wasnt even worth censoring, hope that isn't a sign of the countless unnecessary censorships to come.

I question why Sony feel the need to do this though with age rating boards covering this surely?
Well it's likely for what you say, but you'd think they'd take their concerns to the age rating boards and improve it instead of taking matters into their own hands (assuming the boards would actually listen and implement their suggestions)
At the end of the day it's their platform though, so they can apply whatever restrictions they want.
 
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If it's just meant to apply to problematic underage stuff, why don't they say that rather than being dodgy and vague about it? As it is it seems like the actual guidelines are unclear to both consumers and developers, which is an idiotic situation.

They did say it.

Also, plenty of gamers defend shitty sexualization practices regardless.

The fact that Senran Kagura gets compared to TLOU or MK11 is so hilariously fucking dumb, that it's hard for me to wrap my head around it.
 

i20bot

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"Two factors last year combined to turn that unease into action, these Sony officials say. One was the rise of the #MeToo movement in the U.S., which pointed to the dangers of being associated with content that some might see as demeaning to women."

So adult content too then?
 

JCG

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Oct 25, 2017
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The article is from a relatively serious publication, at least compared to other past links, and does seem to indicate it is in theory intended to be a change aimed at general sexualization and not only a matter about restrictions on the depiction of younger characters. Which is still a real factor, as quoted, but apparently not the only sort of issue involved.

The inclusion of various types of sexual content in general may still be debated, because there is definitely a larger discussion about the portrayal and sexualization of women, but it is not the same thing as most of what has been happening so far.

In particular, it is rather curious that the Sony spokesperson refused to outline the policy in more specific terms and used rather vague language about concerns over the "development of young people" instead. Which does seem to leave a lot of room for interpretation.
 
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sensui-tomo

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People trying to sum it up as "big titty ninja nipples " how about saying " Big titty underaged girl ninja nipples" ..... oh right, that wouldnt help the narrative. Nobody cares about showing breasts of a woman. But lord forbid you dont allow me to see some girls younger than 18 anime nips -.-
 

Kenzodielocke

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They censored Trish's naked butt in one of the DMC5 scenes with a patch after the game was released (they changed it back to original after the outcry, but EU version still has the holy light of Cavalier if I'm not wrong), so I don't think we can say with certainty that it won't affect mature content containing adult characters until they actually detail what are these guidelines.
Or Capcom didn't want to risk anything or they understood wrong.
 

Thrill_house

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I'm good for censorship when it comes to characters that look like kids. Anime tiddy with adult looking characters? Sure, fine have at it imo. But when that character looks every bit of 12 years old nah get right the fuck outta here.
 

BernardoOne

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Thanks for this.



Just so there's no more confusion. This is very much targeting that shitty pedo content. Surely people in this thread won't keep up the false equivalences and slippery slope nonsense.
That's doesnt read like Sony said it, just the writer assuming/expanding thoughts on the particularities of the Japanese market.
Or Capcom didn't want to risk anything or they understood wrong.
or Sony is exactly that restrictive, and if they aren't they can easily put out PR explaining the policy properly? Shit isn't hard.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why its so hard for Sony just to clarify a policy. If it's cracking down on sexualization of minors literally nobody would have a problem with it. If they are trying to remove sexualization altogether I think that underscores Americas tolerance of violence and fear of sexuality.

Instead they say "we are protecting the children", meanwhile they are promoting TLOU2 and MK11. Just print your policy out so Devs and Customers know what to expect. I don't understand why they can't explicitly say what is and is not allowed.
Imo, this is not hard to understand.

Children do not need protection from video game violence and sexuality in general. I mean, very young kids shouldn't be playing mature games, but that's down to the parents.

They need protections from vile, paedophile level content. Stuff that potentially helps perpetuate actual paedophilia.
 

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If it's for the underage/underage looking shit then yes that's good, that has no place in any form of media and is disgusting but although the article mentions "young women" it doesn't explicitly state that this is the only target for Sony's crack down. The thread title update is a bit premature imo.
 

Complicated

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Good on Sony for policing its platform despite the toxic norms in its own country. Seems like the ratings agencies should be on top of this shit though.
 

low-G

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Wonder where precisely they draw the line. Thinking Disgaea 1-ish designs. Senran Kagura plays up the sexuality so much that it's obvious where that series lies.
 

Yukinari

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Spot the difference:

If it truly is about eliminating games like Monster Monpiece then they shouldnt be saying theyre doing this for the sake of younger demographics. The violence is incredibly disgusting in LoU2.

The more apt image comparison would be Yumi being sexualized vs Ellie executing someone.
 
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The former, has its been proven with DMCV, which only got reverted because Sony was getting lots of bad publicity over it.
I'm still 90% convinced that was a rendering error seeing at it was happening on some PC setups. But let's not beat a dead horse. I wouldn't use that example as evidence for anything personally.

Which again further proves that they need to be clear about these guidelines so both consumers and developer/publishers know exactly what type of content Sony doesn't want on its systems.

Let's take a moment and appreciate what it says about gaming as a community that one of the most hotly debated issues in recent months was whether or not Trish's butt was censored. Pathetic.
 

mrtl

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Oct 27, 2017
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Violence and sex in games is fantastic and part of growing up as an artistic medium. I don't think any of the pedobait shit going around in some games helps that goal though. I'm sure there is a market for that but people really need to ask themselves if they want sexualized children in their games.

Sony can be more clear about this though. If they had any balls at all they would just denounce loli content.

Good on Sony for policing its platform despite the toxic norms in its own country. Seems like the ratings agencies should be on top of this shit though.
That's not their task. At all.
 

sensui-tomo

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If it truly is about eliminating games like Monster Monpiece then they shouldnt be saying theyre doing this for the sake of younger demographics. The violence is incredibly disgusting in LoU2.

The more apt image comparison would be Yumi being sexualized vs Ellie executing someone.
LOU2 isnt for children... also the game aint out yet. so nice try trying to shift the shitty blame elsewhere. Violence in games does nothing to people. Encouraging perverted behavior towards children in games otoh <_<
 

test_account

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have little to no faith in Sony handling this properly and I have no idea why you are all celebrating it, big brother oversight is rarely a good thing for creativity and freedom of expression.
I wouldnt really say that this is really a big brother thing. Then i think of people watching over others without them knowing it at least. Its guidelines to whats allowed on their platform or not. Its important that the guidelines are clear, so that developers know exactly. Game with AO rating have been banned for many years for example. That said, people dont have to like the guidelines of course.