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Sony contacted Vice due to more critical review of The Last of Us Part II
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aighttt now you just can't be serious with this lmao
nobody should give a fuck how many decades did they spent perfecting every inch of joel's beard when they're reviewing a game, nor that other randoms journos gave it 12/10 in droves
like this is extremely basic application of freedom of the press, how the fuck can anyone even remotely defend editors pressuring smaller journalists on their criticisms? like bruh.
Do you really not see how it could be harmful to an outlet to not get a game at the same time as everyone else? It's a lot more than $60.
Not going to stop certain folks from trying to disingenuously defend this practice
I don't want to drag this out and Gita's tweet could have been worded better, but I would think the more reasonable reading is "we are very well aware of what getting death threats is like". Not "but other people also get death threats!". It wasn't whataboutism.
You could also spend the time checking to see if she elaborated on it, which I just did for you, and she did (and you're free to disagree with too).
I didn't want to bring it up earlier because I didn't want to be erroneously lumped in with the ND pile on, but I heard some criticism from local game outlets that Sony was also extremely picky with who was allowed to review the game up front. Sounded like they were doing a deliberate Bethesda by only providing review codes to outlets they trusted to be positive. It just boggles the mind that Sony PR is so insecure about this game, or think that kind of attitude will stay unnoticed.
I think that a lot of legitimate criticism of the game is being dismissed due to the heavy vitriol and bigotry surrounding the game's initial leaks.
It just seems unnecessary to me that "people are threatening to kill me right now so can you please remove a joke about killing me" needed this as a response. Everything she's saying is completely true, wouldn't take away from that.
Unironic use of the word snowflake. Hahaha. Do you "identify" as a gamer?
Sometimes the price of freedom comes at a cost. Maybe all outlets should buy the games and review them after launch, or join to force publishers to give them copies earlier but to everyone.
Why this particular outlet and not all the ones that were critical? That would be suspicious.
This is a double edged sword, publishers need media and media need content to write about.
He didn't beg for it to be removed, he just said thanked her for removing it, I believe she removed it on her own accord.
i dont think it needs to be said. but i doubt anyone here agrees with that type of approach
People in this thread are seemingly ok with Sony going to this reviewer to say "why u review critical" as long as they say it with a "cordial tone," while completely ignoring how unprofessional that is in general.
You cannot make the argument that games are art while defending this at the same time. Games cannot be considered "art" if you do not allow them to be critiqued like other art forms. But hey as long as Sony keeps up the charade, some fans don't care I guess.
You cannot make the argument that games are art while defending this at the same time. Games cannot be considered "art" if you do not allow them to be critiqued like other art forms. But hey as long as Sony keeps up the charade, some fans don't care I guess.
The reviewer himself have made statements which are objective
If you can't intuit that a review is implicitly the opinion of the writer, then you can't be helped.
Do you expect the writer to add "IMO" at the end of every sentence?
Okay...where are the lies?
Improved....that's subjective. Not for you to say
PRACTICALLY nothing. Not nothing. Practically.
Not objective, no. Subjective.
You can't be this naive, right? They could have been the most cordial people in the world, the message was clear.
It doesn't really matter. They shouldn't have done this in the first place.
So your thoughts are that Sony's PR team inflate review scores, and that only Sony has a PR team?
They should in a professional manner, which they did.
It doesn't have to be a competition where the "loser" has their experience dismissed. She has a point that she and many others also received and receive death threats and abuse from these people but when she brings it up like that in response to him talking about it, it comes across as "yours doesn't matter as much".
Uh yeah, this.
That spin-off thread trying to imply that Gita Jackson was fine with anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia and ableism to get a gotcha would be funny if it wasn't about a subject so serious
We know enough. The fact Sony felt they needed to reach out at all regarding a critical (not even that negative, just critical) review AT ALL says everything it needs to.
Like I'm sorry, but this isn't how reviews go. They aren't a dialogue between publisher and reviewer. And if they are, then the whole fucking review process is broken. This is why we killed "review events" over the past ten years.
You have 28 posts in this single thread unabashedly deafening a for-profit corporation from the mildest possible criticism...and you have a TLOUII avatar. Yikes.
Reviews were out a week before the game released, I would be picky as well to make sure that the game won`t be spoiled even more. I dont think this was done to avoid criticism of the game. in the end the reviews will be released nevertheless.
I'm not saying every case is like this, but in this instance, this is done in a professional manner.
shit like this immediately invokes feelings of dislike.
he needs to get the fuck over himself
No he didn't. Those are subjective and his point of view. The words he used are subjective to the reviewer. He didn't say a specific feature wasn't in the game or that 1+1=3. Get out of here with this nonsense. To the larger point Sony shouldn't be throwing their weight around. Apparently you think Sony should be intimidating outlets?
we know that a big company has been pressuring a smaller press office due to their criticism work being harsh against one of their product, which is largely enough to make all the conclusions about it
Eh, it's nothing as blanket as that. Honestly, sometimes it's just PR being strategic, which is their...job? I've been at outlets where we'd later learn the reason we received a review copy later was because PR had listened to a podcast, deduced who was likely to do the review, guessed at the review score, translated that score into Metacritic, and then decided to send us a review copy at launch, rather than ahead of launch, so it would impact the "launch" Metacritic average later.
Way to downplay it to "giving them a free copy of a $60 game." If they don't have a review copy with all the other major publications that will materially hurt them. It's not just a $60 game they're getting for free. They are in competition for your attention. If another outlet has the review when the embargo lifts and these guys don't, yeah it's going to affect them more than just having to pay $60 and get the game a few weeks later.
just because sony was "cordial" doesn't make this professional in the slightest
They didn't reach out to ALL critical reviews, so I'm sorry if I say we don't know shit, because we don't know why Sony PR reached out to that particular reviewer. But whatever reason it is, it's not just because the review is critical.
Ah, another fun day of people bizarrely defending an unequivocally shit move from a large corporate publisher.
I think media in general are not really reliable, not just gaming media, they have their own interests too, and many, not all, of these reviews or critical articles are just a way to shift public opinion left or right, to fit your interests, or some even just go polemical to get clicks.
So i would really be careful considering every review out there something with enough quality to be considered a well made article.
And by some things i read about this one, at least it's debatable.And also need to apply the same logic and respect that can be critiziced as they also do with games, movies etc.
