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Sony contacted Vice due to more critical review of The Last of Us Part II
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The discourse around this game is starting to feel a lot like MCU fans being pissy at Scorsese for suggesting superhero movies aren't cinema.
We made it, games are like movies now
We made it, games are like movies now
Did he "defuse" it by then tweeting about it again afterwards?
I think using it to vilify specific individuals(namely Neil Druckmann) is obviously BS but in general I still think it's fair to say it reflects badly on Naughty Dog because fundamentally they are one and the same with the entity ultimately responsible.
He was the villain of the first season of Legends of Tomorrow lol
Do you think this tweet in particular is a rational/appropriate response?
I dont know why this was worth mentioning. In my time as editor in chief i got calls from publishers about bad review scores all the time. I explained it and thats that.
edit: pretty much ever major publisher came crying eventually about a review. Thats why the editor in chief stands between the publisher and the reviewer.
this shit is not unique and has been going on for decades. It has become less usual the past couple of years.
im not saying its a good thing, just that as an editor in chief you have aback bone and stand by thereview.
edit: pretty much ever major publisher came crying eventually about a review. Thats why the editor in chief stands between the publisher and the reviewer.
this shit is not unique and has been going on for decades. It has become less usual the past couple of years.
im not saying its a good thing, just that as an editor in chief you have aback bone and stand by thereview.
And remember, this is how they treat Vice. Really paints all the 10 out 10s from little sites like GAMELIKER.COM in perspective.
It's clear you aren't genuine and yes all you want to do is spread negativity about this game. It's pretty obvious with the hyperbole and twisting of words that it is your goal and bringing up totally unrelated things as strawman arguments. It's clear no matter what they do you will hate on them. Way to go.
I hate that there's so much bullshit surrounding this game. It feels like legitimate criticism, interesting conversations and important perspectives on representation are getting buried under alt-right/"gamer" snowflake outrage and misinformation, tall poppy syndrome, Sony/ND fanboyism, dumb twitter feuds, and now this.
That said, I'm glad Sony is being called out on this, I just wish there hadn't been anything to be called out in the first place. This sort of PR pressure is gross and so unnecessary (I don't care if it's polite). This game has been controversial for all of the wrong reasons and it's disappointing.
That said, I'm glad Sony is being called out on this, I just wish there hadn't been anything to be called out in the first place. This sort of PR pressure is gross and so unnecessary (I don't care if it's polite). This game has been controversial for all of the wrong reasons and it's disappointing.
Not only that, why the need to call and hear a reviewers critical review WHEN YOU COULD HAVE JUST READ THE DAMN THING where he explained it very well. Why not call a reviewer with a positive review and hear his side of the story? Because that one happened to be positive. Feels like a petty power play. I just hope this doesn't affect the reviewer in any way.
I think Vice's take was correct, AND I also respect Druckmann and Naughty Dog for reaching out to Vice to try and explain more about their work.
Guess I'm in a double minority here.
Guess I'm in a double minority here.
I can't wait to see how many people post they are never buying another Sony/ND game again because of how disgusted they are.
Game creators should have a right to engage with critics about the views on their work and have a dialogue about it, not in a private "please take your review down" way, but in a public back and forth discussion kind of way. It's something that's quite common in other media but way too rare in video games.
Games creators can feel like they're being kept in a very private protective bubble, while critics can come off as overly precious about their work. More direct engagement in a postmortem round table would be pretty cool to see.
Games creators can feel like they're being kept in a very private protective bubble, while critics can come off as overly precious about their work. More direct engagement in a postmortem round table would be pretty cool to see.
I don't know specifics, I'm asking because people are throwing all sorts at his name without ever backing it.
The initial post I quoted stated what's he's been doing on Twitter is stupid, which prompted me to ask what did he do? Then I got a vague reply about him starting "twitter beef", and the only interaction I saw was of him attempting to defuse it. Now you're saying he did something else.
What did he do? What did he tweet about afterwards that was "starting twitter beef"?
I'm really curious about this game.
There seems to be a LOT of bullshit "criticism" from salty losers who are really angry that the game has minorities in it.
But at the same time, there seems to be a lot of very real criticism about the game itself too, for a lot of other reasons.
When my gf beats the game, she'll let me borrow her PS4 and the game. I'm really looking forward to forming my own opinion on it. (and yes, I've beaten the first game... on a borrowed PS3, years ago lol)
There seems to be a LOT of bullshit "criticism" from salty losers who are really angry that the game has minorities in it.
But at the same time, there seems to be a lot of very real criticism about the game itself too, for a lot of other reasons.
When my gf beats the game, she'll let me borrow her PS4 and the game. I'm really looking forward to forming my own opinion on it. (and yes, I've beaten the first game... on a borrowed PS3, years ago lol)
You literally accused me of only wanting to spread negativity to the world over this and I'm the one not being genuine lmao okay
If there was an issue I'm sure the reviewer would have said something but there clearly wasn't. You seem to be the one with the issue and all the other people twisting this into something it isn't. The huge issue is how reactionary the internet is with outrage culture.
you're right, that's not important at all and it's frankly pretty damn rational. when such a toxic workplace culture is dictated from the top down and then people help praise solely to the top it's gonna feel pretty grimy and it's only natural to include all the other human beings whose livelihoods were lessened for the benefit of the product they're creating. likewise when shitty stories come out about these places, it's only natural to hold those at the top with actual power responsible
And then dragged it on? Sending a DM to Jason to apologize only to go after him again soon after?
Druckmann didn't have anything directly to do with this.
Yes negativity about this game which you seem to be doing quite a lot of. The amount of hate you have for Naughty Dog is unhealthy.
Who is Rob? Why are you emotional about this?
I don't get any of this posturing from any of you. Straight up if you read a review that listed things that just aren't true, you wouldn't say anything different.
Trying to make this an emotional topic is foolish, because who is Rob? I don't care about him.
No because they are the ones that interact with reviewers and distribute review copies
Have to agree with this especially with the companies at play here.
Naughty Dog has their own PR company as per the article.
However, at either Naughty Dog's request or Sony's own independent request, they reached out to Vice regarding the ongoings.
I can understand Naughty Dog reaching out for feedback but it feels weird that Sony is stepping in here. In either case, it feels like they're trying to leverage that they're a bigger company and put a bit of pressure, not to change the review but just pressure in general. I would not be surprised if going forward, Vice will no longer recieve Sony 1st party game review copies due to this event.
It's amazing how this game has made everyone so sensitive. From the fans, the devs, the VAs, critics, we have become hyper sensitive.
These are some rather reductive points and stating that nobody reconsiders their quest for vengeance is blatantly false.
If a review appears to border on misleading like this I don't think it's wrong for Sony to ask for clarification.
If sony do that they will expose them selves big time, i'm sure they will get ripped a new asshole if they tried it.
Everyone opinion can be valid, If they feel their are inaccuracy with the take. everyone has a right to question them
the scene was localized as drag enthusiasts. but if a localization effort isn't enough i understand.
What makes you the arbiter of that? I can vouch for them as being genuine, I've seen their posts in other threads. They are allowed to have a critical opinion.
Meanwhile, speaking of twisting words... you've decided that what was done here is totally fine and professional, just based on a quote you read with seemingly no prior familiarity with how the person in question talks (lol) nor the context of Vice's similar interactions with Sony? While ignoring the rest of the article or how other journalists are talking about how these interactions have gone for them? Is that "genuine"?
The person who wrote the review and apparently hasn't played the game.