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Sonic Fox comes out as Non-binary!
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You do you SonicFox. We still stanning.
This is great.
This is great.
I think it's important to note that SonicFox is also the person that did a 72 hour stream just recently to help raise funds for the Trevor Project (they raised a total of $22,251.83).
Jesus, the salt of some people because Sonic Fox had the GALL to ask to be recognized for who they are.
"BUBU THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE THOOO", get fucked.
"BUBU THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE THOOO", get fucked.
The funny thing about the pedantry of not accepting they as a singular pronoun is that it's used in everyday life all the time. Like... get over it.
All my support to them.
I admit that there are things I don't understand, but I'm glad that people like Sonic Fox may help me see and wrap my mind around questions like this. People should be what the fuck they want and I'm sure that his/their example will help some people feeling not wrong. :)
I admit that there are things I don't understand, but I'm glad that people like Sonic Fox may help me see and wrap my mind around questions like this. People should be what the fuck they want and I'm sure that his/their example will help some people feeling not wrong. :)
I think this is the right sentiment to have. If you start from a place of respect and support, the understanding will come (from my personal experience, anyway).
I've been busy most of the day, but I happened to see the thread when he posted it and it honestly warmed my heart. I've partially openly identified as a non binary woman for about 10 months now and it was such a stressful thing to take that step to be open about it to my friends and partner (not my family--I'm afab and okay with she/her pronouns so it's just not worth the trouble to me honestly). Seeing sonicfox openly identify as a NB man makes me so validated and so happy--representation does matter a ton....
Quick note, you don't have to combine both pronouns into one, it's presented as an either or choice. You didn't do anything wrong, just thought I'd let you know. :p
When talking about them in the third person, both "he" and "they" (and the associated words like his/their, him/them) are acceptable pronouns to use.
I came to the realization she/they suits me just a few months ago. Happy Sonicfox is always so unabashedly themself, f the haters.
I saw this thread when I was on my way to bed. It sparked an hour+ long super nice conversation with my partner about my feelings when it comes to my own identity.
When I woke up I felt like I have figured some things out and understand myself better!
I've liked Sonic Fox since I first heard of them at The Game Awards. That speech was great. And then the TERF stuff, the charity and general wholesomeness. I wish more people were like them.
When I woke up I felt like I have figured some things out and understand myself better!
I've liked Sonic Fox since I first heard of them at The Game Awards. That speech was great. And then the TERF stuff, the charity and general wholesomeness. I wish more people were like them.
Still reading through the thread but I was thinking this too, I don't really know any non binary people.
Is it me or being from another generation that genders are so confusing. I think of myself as very accepting, i just can not keep up. How can you know how to call someone they/she/he? If SonicFox himself is confused how to hell am i supposed to know. They need to teach this at schools from now on.
It means they're comfortable with using either. It might be that they want to explore using non-gendered pronouns to see if it's something that resonates with them - or that they sincerely don't mind either way. If they're coming to all of this later in life having been AMAB (assigned male at birth) then it might be they feel comfortable with he/his as it's familiar and what people close to them have always used.
This is obviously speculation when it comes to SonicFox themselves, but hopefully gives some insight into why two sets of pronouns can be given in the wider context of non-binary people.
I might choose to use they/them for them - as I have in this post - to try and both help normalise it in discussions and recognise that element of their identity.
Am I a terrible person if his #IMGAY hashtag thing now means less to me?
I probably am
But it did mean something to me
😐
"I like SonicFox I think he's a cool person"
"I like SonicFox I think they're a cool person"
"I'm a fan of SonicFox, I like him a lot"
"I'm a fan of SonicFox, I like them a lot"
Isnt in english (not my first language) he/she/it means single person while they/we/you means multiple person?
Shouldnt he call himself "it" in this example
this is confusing as hell
Nope, singular they is a thing.
I'm very confused by people not knowing this. English is my second language (that I from a young age mainly learned via games, movies and books) and I have known about singular they from the start.
They/them can be used in both the singular and plural.
"SonicFox is good at MK, I hope they put on a good match"
"Those players are good at MK, I hope they put on a good match"
Both are correct uses of they, even if it sounds a little awkward in the singular.
No, it wouldn't be it. You frequently use they in the singular in English when referring to people you don't know very well or are unsure of their gender:
"Which way did they go?"
"Oh they were about six feet tall I think"
"I'm not sure but I think they're with the other group"
"I think they dropped their credit card"
It's used all the time. Adjusting it to someone that you do know isn't that hard.
I use that aswell, but there are people who use "dudette" and fuck everything up.
I got seven days for talking about piracy, if that comment gets seven days I would be utterly mad.
I'm so happy for SonicFox, just a couple days ago I came out as bi and suprised several of my mma classmates, said they could've never guessed it, I asked way, and one of them said "I don't know, you don't sound gay to me". Felt like a Key and Peele skecht.
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Might make more linguistical sense if we said they is when talking singular and they are when talking plural.
When I was in school there was a big drive to remove "they" from use in essays etc. They wanted us to specifically use he/she instead of they. I'm not sure just how widespread that was but according to "Oxford English" at least this did mean a lot of people think that using "they" is not correct grammar
Never stuck with me because writing out he/she seems way more stupid than they but it has stuck for a few people I work with
..or we could stick to how it's currently used in the singular and not pretend like this is somehow mind-breaking.
"Ignore Jamie, they're just jealous that you got a sweet and they didn't"
"Ignore Jamie, they's just jealous that you got a sweet and they didn't"
They are an absolute legend and they make total "linguistic sense".
I don't understand why this is so hard for some people.
I don't understand why this is so hard for some people.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive towards gender identity
Yeah this, I mean, who cares about this? Why should we know? Why is this important?
Many people according to the responses in the thread. The question is why you're incapable of ignoring a single forum topic you're not interested in.
heh, I know how you feel. I thought this was something to do with the hedgehog.
Bless them <3
They mentioned later in the tweet thread that they are more likely pansexual than anything, but went on to say that gender and sexuality are confusing. (They're right.)
That said, the hashtag's importance isn't necessarily diminished just because the person who started it doesn't fully identify with it anymore. If it meant something to you, then latch onto that feeling and run with it. :)
They mentioned later in the tweet thread that they are more likely pansexual than anything, but went on to say that gender and sexuality are confusing. (They're right.)
That said, the hashtag's importance isn't necessarily diminished just because the person who started it doesn't fully identify with it anymore. If it meant something to you, then latch onto that feeling and run with it. :)
They/them is used a ton in casual spoken language to refer to individuals (outside of any gender topics). Where is X? They're over there. Don't snatch that, give it back to them.
I don't fully understand some of the more complex pronoun usage (xie etc?) but they/them is pretty simple and universal IMO
Any idea how this would translate into a language where there's a feminine and a masculine "they"?
I don't know any way to do this in, say, spanish other than saying, like "el o ella"
but even that would be binary.
EDIT: Wait, there is also usted and ustedes. Bonus is that you sound extra respectful.
Well when you're taught otherwise, and they used as a singular isn't part of your vocabulary, it is kind of mind-breaking. It takes time to get used to, I guess. And I doesn't help if you get all condescending about it.
This post is unnecessary hostile. This concept is still new to a lot of people, and having the attitude of "get fucked" because they don't understand helps no one.
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It typically doesn't, not easily, and that's something that's being actively challenged and discussed at the moment in things like localisation issues.
Non-binary people exist in countries with these languages, so I'm usually far more interested in hearing from them than the usual people that come in with "it's impossible" as the be all and end all of it.
Considering non-binary identities aren't going anywhere and people will (hopefully) over time start to feel more comfortable openly identifying as such, it seems an inevitability that non-binary characters will appear in movies, films and books. So this is something that should be challenged and discussed instead of dismissed out of hand.
Apologies, it's hard not to be condescending when people persistently act like it's not something that's already a part of the language or needs changing.
It's already been discussed in the thread numerous times so when you're not taking that on board in favour of making unnecessary suggestions at how we should instead change the language it's hard to take in good faith.
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