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Sondland Flips on Trump - Describing Ukraine Quid Pro Quo
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WH:
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
NEW White House statement on impeachment inquiry:
"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought."
3:32 PM - Nov 5, 2019
NEW White House statement on impeachment inquiry:
"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought."
3:32 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Jordan Fabian @Jordanfabian.@PressSec says Sondland and Volker transcripts "show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought. "
"No amount of salacious media-biased headlines...change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong." https://twitter.com/KevinWhitelaw1/status/1191811369491935239 …
3:30 PM - Nov 5, 2019
"No amount of salacious media-biased headlines...change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong." https://twitter.com/KevinWhitelaw1/status/1191811369491935239 …
3:30 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Also there is the Monmouth poll going around today where ~60% of Trump supporters say their minds cannot be changed no matter what. Well that still leaves 40% where this all matters. This is definitely the correct course of action both constitutionally and strategically.
Watergate was both corrupt and unsuccessful. At least it's easy to push back against that narrative if they do end up going there.
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WH:
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
NEW White House statement on impeachment inquiry:
"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought."
3:32 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Jordan Fabian @Jordanfabian
.@PressSec says Sondland and Volker transcripts "show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought. "
"No amount of salacious media-biased headlines...change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong." https://twitter.com/KevinWhitelaw1/status/1191811369491935239 …
3:30 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Um, what?
Transcript: Did the president commit a crime? Yes.
WH: See, totally innocent. Thank you, bye bye
The thing is at least half of that 40% is probably just saying that to keep an internal narrative that they're impartial.
Has his fundraising not gone way up since the impeachment process started?
I think is white privilege. They genuinely believe donald trump. to their own detriment, t hey will believe him.
If it isn't that, i dont know what it could be. Russia can't have dirt on every single one of them.
...well.
You could potentially attribute it to the impeachment inquiry. I would more likely attribute it to the 2020 campaign kicking up in earnest as the year winds down.
The White House has adopted the "totally clears the president" meme as a strategy.
loyal people don't have to read anything except the cue card in front of them.
It's not Republican voters you need to convince (because most of them are always going to side with Trump). It's Independent voters.
If anything, Trump will have more shit to worry about, like state charges & civil lawsuits. Pardoning Trump for federal crimes won't save him.
WH:
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
NEW White House statement on impeachment inquiry:
"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought."
3:32 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Jordan Fabian @Jordanfabian
.@PressSec says Sondland and Volker transcripts "show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought. "
"No amount of salacious media-biased headlines...change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong." https://twitter.com/KevinWhitelaw1/status/1191811369491935239 …
3:30 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Its literally for consumption for their idiot base. We'll tell you what the real news is, don't believe your own eyes and ears.
I mean he saw huge gains the literal day afterward and continuously throughout that week. It was a night and day shift in donations. Huge coincidence that it just happened the day after they announced the impeachment inquiry.
I'm all for impeachment if they can get him removed, but I worry about what happens when we essentially set him up for "victory" over what he will call a corrupt and unjust investigation by the House. We're handing him a W and giving him more money.
His approval is declining. He can raise more money from the same idiots all he wants if less people vote for him.
So what' the alternative? Just let them commit more and more crimes because they'll say any investigation is unjust??
Wait until we have hard evidence of something the Senate can't ignore.
In the absence of that, yeah, just focus on defeating him in 2020. We already know he's a criminal. We knew that before he was elected. Without something that can stick, it doesn't matter.
The type of people the WH statement is for will never actually check the transcripts of these hearings. After all, it's a "sham." It's working as intended - just meant to be a piece of meat for outlets like Fox News so that they can push a narrative with some sort of faux legitimacy.
It's already being reflected in the polls. There's been a massive swing in support for impeachment and removal.
A lot of money are coming from corporate PACs:
Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/16/711812314/tracking-the-money-race-behind-the-presidential-campaign
Dems had a big fundraising day too immediately after impeachment:
If you're scared, go buy a dog. I'm not willing to gamble our constitutional duty away because of a nice fundraising day by a cult leader at the start of an impeachment inquiry that hasn't even gotten to the public hearings yet.
The above will ring true. It helps that Trump's crimes here, even in just this more narrow focus on Ukraine, makes Nixon's and Clinton's impeachment crimes look like parking tickets. Trump can say goodbye to the suburbs after the public hearings are through.
It has certainly been trending negative.
How Popular Is Donald Trump?
FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency.
Are we...are we looking at the same graph?It has certainly been trending negative.
How Popular Is Donald Trump?
FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency.projects.fivethirtyeight.com
41.4% is where it's been, plus or minus one percent, for the past six months.
WH:
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
NEW White House statement on impeachment inquiry:
"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought."
3:32 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Jordan Fabian @Jordanfabian
.@PressSec says Sondland and Volker transcripts "show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought. "
"No amount of salacious media-biased headlines...change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong." https://twitter.com/KevinWhitelaw1/status/1191811369491935239 …
3:30 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Lol they have nothing
WH:
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche
NEW White House statement on impeachment inquiry:
"Both transcripts released today show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought."
3:32 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Jordan Fabian @Jordanfabian
.@PressSec says Sondland and Volker transcripts "show there is even less evidence for this illegitimate impeachment sham than previously thought. "
"No amount of salacious media-biased headlines...change the fact that the President has done nothing wrong." https://twitter.com/KevinWhitelaw1/status/1191811369491935239 …
3:30 PM - Nov 5, 2019
This strategy is just insane. Complete denial of reality and call out news media for reporting the story.
The trend is down since impeachment proceedings formally got underway. The claims this is backfiring are not at all represented in the data and are pretty clearly contradicted in fact.
Miriam Elder @MiriamElderSondland says "this has been a very bad experience for me."
And then reveals he's totally ghosted on Ukrainian officials since this all broke out!
And then reveals he's totally ghosted on Ukrainian officials since this all broke out!
4:01 PM - Nov 5, 2019
It's not backfiring, but it's not doing anything to decrease it, either.
If you choose the absolute high point of his approval, 43.1, sure. But this has had almost no statistical impact over the timeline of the last two months, especially considering error margins.
Not criticizing the impeachment, it was necessary (especially to a democratic base that demanded it), but as usual, very few people are changing their minds. You live in Reality A or Reality B. And Reality B people, by and large, cannot be reasoned with.
The graph is unquestionably trending down over the past few weeks. It didn't even see a blip after killing Al Baghdadi. It's not outside the historical range but it's not at all unreasonable to see the negative impact impeachment proceedings are having in his approval. We see the exact same effect on the general increase in support for impeachment overall. It's trending up.
Kathryn Watson @kathrynw5Lindsey Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, says he won't read any of the transcripts, and dismissed Sondland's reversal.
"I've written the whole process off ... I think this is a bunch of B.S."
Per @alanhe
"I've written the whole process off ... I think this is a bunch of B.S."
Per @alanhe
4:09 PM - Nov 5, 2019
Dude, you can choose the window however you want.
Over the past 60 days, the graph has trended flat.
Over the past 40 days, the graph has trended down.
Over the past 20 days, the graph has trended flat.
Over the past 10 days, the graph has trended *up*.
The reason it's been all over the place is because the amounts going up and down are within 1 to 1.5 percentage points, a very small value and well within the statistical noise and error bars of polling. Therefore, in general, the graph has made no significant movements upward or downward.
If you want to play with spin, sure, you can choose exact dates to attempt to maximize a "trend". But no statistician worth their salt would call this a clear trend of anything.
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but you have to be realistic. This entire proceeding has not yet had any real affect on changing any of that 41.5%'s mind. Still plenty of time to go, though.
Whether Trump's numbers go down is less interesting than whether they go up. Partisanship would lead us to believe that the impeachment process would cause soft GOP voters to rally around Trump, but we aren't seeing that. At best we're seeing these soft voters taking a 'wait and see' approach, which means they aren't reflexively circling wagons.
1 our of 5 Republicans want him impeached since this all started.
