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[SOME MORE NEWS] How Rich People Keep Screwing Up Global Health
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Billionaires by their existence warp and distort everything around themselves. It is the nature of these piles of wealth, due to the mechanisms which create and sustain them.
Really glad I decided to support Some More News on Patreon. This is exactly the sort of thing I wish mainstream media outlets were talking about. The only thing you can count on the rich to do with any consistency is to make money for themselves.
Yeah, saw this earlier.
Eat the goddamn rich.
Billionaires are parasites who contribute little to nothing for profit while sucking up the value of the working class who has to work for a net loss of their labour in order to give these rich assholes the profits.
Eat the goddamn rich.
Billionaires are parasites who contribute little to nothing for profit while sucking up the value of the working class who has to work for a net loss of their labour in order to give these rich assholes the profits.
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Yeah, imagine how much more people would be vaccinated by now if Oxford vaccine went open source. Fuck Bill Gates and fuck AstraZeneca.
Except they won't because most of them are owned by said billionaires. Lol.
I'm glad I started supporting them too. They should be a lot more popular than they are.
It's so infuriating really.
We have clear evidence bright as day that the rich and powerful are actively fucking us all over day and night, every day, every month, every year, YET there are still people who will fucking defend these assholes! Who still believe is some stupid god damn pipe dream that they are gonna come down from their gilded houses, spread some money around and save us out of the goodness of their hearts. Meanwhile all we see is that they spend money, to earn more money, money that they take from the people and put in their own coffers and leave the people with less. Like right there in the immediate opening of the video we have the Bill and Gates foundation who fucked people of poorer countries over by dangling money, money from a CHARITY FOUNDATION, over the Oxford vaccine that could have become open source and easy to produce for everyone and told them to make it exclusive to ONE company, who is now under producing it on their own.
BUT IT'S OKAY, Bill said a nice thing about how we need to cut down on meat so it's all a net loss of 0!
Death to capitalism! Fuck the rich! Take from them EVERYTHING and leave them NOTHING!
Socialism is the only way forward for humanity!
We have clear evidence bright as day that the rich and powerful are actively fucking us all over day and night, every day, every month, every year, YET there are still people who will fucking defend these assholes! Who still believe is some stupid god damn pipe dream that they are gonna come down from their gilded houses, spread some money around and save us out of the goodness of their hearts. Meanwhile all we see is that they spend money, to earn more money, money that they take from the people and put in their own coffers and leave the people with less. Like right there in the immediate opening of the video we have the Bill and Gates foundation who fucked people of poorer countries over by dangling money, money from a CHARITY FOUNDATION, over the Oxford vaccine that could have become open source and easy to produce for everyone and told them to make it exclusive to ONE company, who is now under producing it on their own.
BUT IT'S OKAY, Bill said a nice thing about how we need to cut down on meat so it's all a net loss of 0!
Death to capitalism! Fuck the rich! Take from them EVERYTHING and leave them NOTHING!
Socialism is the only way forward for humanity!
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I think it's healthier to eat younger rich people. Who knows what eating those old farts will do to you, and that's not even going into taste.
So here's Gate's response at 9:20 in this video.
Talking about how the vaccine is difficult to produce and bad batches could result in a reduction of confidence in the vaccine.
Here's a chemist discussing why the mRNA vaccines (Like Moderna and Pfizer) can't just easily be opensourced and built:
blogs.sciencemag.org
The author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lowe_(chemist)
Seems like the source of this idea is this guy:
His response is something about IP protections rather than potential safety of random pharma companies producing vaccines they have no experience of producing before:
The New York Times has an article about how the Oxford vaccine works:
www.nytimes.com
It's a bit more complicated than the polio vaccine which many people online have used as proof that it should be open sourced.
This is a separate issue to Astrazenica's pricing strategy but he combines his points in quite a tabloid way to get an emotional reaction, he's like a leftist Tucker Carlson.
Everybody is the enemy, and we need a socialist revolution.
btw, plz buy these shitty headphones. It's a funny juxtaposition when he segued into selling trash.
Talking about how the vaccine is difficult to produce and bad batches could result in a reduction of confidence in the vaccine.
Here's a chemist discussing why the mRNA vaccines (Like Moderna and Pfizer) can't just easily be opensourced and built:
Myths of Vaccine Manufacturing
In the last few days, the question of why more drug companies haven't been enlisted for vaccine production has come up. It's mostly due to this tweet:The problem is, as far as I can see, this is simply wrong. There are not
blogs.sciencemag.org
Seems like the source of this idea is this guy:
His response is something about IP protections rather than potential safety of random pharma companies producing vaccines they have no experience of producing before:
The New York Times has an article about how the Oxford vaccine works:
How the Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Works (Published 2022)
An adenovirus helps prime the immune system to fight the coronavirus.
It's a bit more complicated than the polio vaccine which many people online have used as proof that it should be open sourced.
This is a separate issue to Astrazenica's pricing strategy but he combines his points in quite a tabloid way to get an emotional reaction, he's like a leftist Tucker Carlson.
Everybody is the enemy, and we need a socialist revolution.
btw, plz buy these shitty headphones. It's a funny juxtaposition when he segued into selling trash.
Raycon E25 true wireless earbuds review
While the Raycon E25 nail most of the basics, the asking price is too much for a product that still charges via microUSB and sounds terrible.
www.soundguys.com
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So here's Gate's response at 9:20 in this video.
Talking about how the vaccine is difficult to produce and bad batches could result in a reduction of confidence in the vaccine.
Here's a chemist discussing why the mRNA vaccines (Like Moderna and Pfizer) can't just easily be opensourced and built:
The author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lowe_(chemist)Myths of Vaccine Manufacturing
In the last few days, the question of why more drug companies haven't been enlisted for vaccine production has come up. It's mostly due to this tweet:The problem is, as far as I can see, this is simply wrong. There are not
Seems like the source of this idea is this guy:
His response is something about IP protections rather than potential safety of random pharma companies producing vaccines they have no experience of producing before:
The New York Times has an article about how the Oxford vaccine works:
How the Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Works (Published 2022)
An adenovirus helps prime the immune system to fight the coronavirus.
It's a bit more complicated than the polio vaccine which many people online have used as proof that it should be open sourced.
This is a separate issue to Astrazenica's pricing strategy but he combines his points in quite a tabloid way to get an emotional reaction, he's like a leftist Tucker Carlson.
Everybody is the enemy, and we need a socialist revolution.
btw, plz buy these shitty headphones. It's a funny juxtaposition when he segued into selling trash.
Raycon E25 true wireless earbuds review
While the Raycon E25 nail most of the basics, the asking price is too much for a product that still charges via microUSB and sounds terrible.www.soundguys.com
Ah yes, how noble of them, you see, It's all to ensure the quality of the product! Which they can later sell at scandalous prices! After all, why anyone would pay them a kings ransom when there's a cheaper alternative that's more available!
But that... that... that... LEFTIST Tucker Carlson is refusing to show the side of those poor billionaires. Those poor people, only having access to unimaginable power and influence that they could use to help those in need. How dare we demand their help, they have a business to run! Family to feed!
Seriously though, here are the links to some articles on the subject, which I've taken from the link in the description under leftist Tucker Carlson video, which, I'm sure, are also based on a single tweet from that one guy on the internet, so they can get an emotional reaction, in quite a tabloid way.
They Pledged to Donate Rights to Their COVID Vaccine, Then Sold Them to Pharma - KFF Health News
Advocates of cheap and widely available vaccines thought the pandemic might change business as usual. They were wrong.
khn.org
How Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation swung the Oxford University COVID-19 vaccine to AstraZeneca
October 7, 2020: The Nation magazine has started the investigation of investments that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation may have in the pharmaceutical companies wanting to manufacture possible COVID-19 vaccines. The Gates Foundation is the key funder of Gavi The Vaccine Alliance and CEPI...
aftinet.org.au
While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer
The billionaire’s pandemic investments, like much of his work, remain a secret.
www.thenation.com
Bill Gates, Big Pharma and entrenching the vaccine apartheid
Waiving intellectual property restrictions on Covid-19 vaccines could help the developing world. But India and South Africa’s pleas are falling on deaf ears
mg.co.za
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So by Cody pointing out that the Bill and Gates foundation used their power to have Oxford exclusively choose a pharma company that they invested in and will make a profit isn't super sketchy?
Especially now that they are underperforming in delivery, and charging places like South Africa twice as much as the EU?
Also, of course Bill Gates is going to respond that way. He can't just say "Yeah I used my influence to determine who can soley produces this vaccine, and that just so happened to be a company my foundation has invested in and will make money off of."
Like there's so much wrong here, and you want to defend the billionaire and criticize the person reporting on it because they need to keep the lights on. You spent more time criticizing the stupid earbuds than a billionaire who is using his power to screw over people during a COVID crisis. To me that speaks volumes about your priorities.
Ah yes, how noble of them, you see, It's all to ensure the quality of the product! Which they can later sell at scandalous prices! After all, why anyone would pay them a kings ransom when there's a cheaper alternative that's more available!
But that... that... that... LEFTIST Tucker Carlson is refusing to show the side of those poor billionaires. Those poor people, only having access to unimaginable power and influence that they could use to help those in need. How dare we demand their help, they have a business to run! Family to feed!
Seriously though, here are the links to some articles on the subject, which I've taken from the link in the description under leftist Tucker Carlson video, which, I'm sure, are also based on a single tweet from that one guy on the internet, so they can get an emotional reaction, in quite a tabloid way.
They Pledged to Donate Rights to Their COVID Vaccine, Then Sold Them to Pharma - KFF Health News
Advocates of cheap and widely available vaccines thought the pandemic might change business as usual. They were wrong.How Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation swung the Oxford University COVID-19 vaccine to AstraZeneca
October 7, 2020: The Nation magazine has started the investigation of investments that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation may have in the pharmaceutical companies wanting to manufacture possible COVID-19 vaccines. The Gates Foundation is the key funder of Gavi The Vaccine Alliance and CEPI...While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer
The billionaire’s pandemic investments, like much of his work, remain a secret.Bill Gates, Big Pharma and entrenching the vaccine apartheid
Waiving intellectual property restrictions on Covid-19 vaccines could help the developing world. But India and South Africa’s pleas are falling on deaf ears
Right. So the scandalous price is $5.25 for South Africa versus $2.16 for the EU.
According to this article from the BMJ:
Covid-19: Countries are learning what others paid for vaccines
A string of revelations about vaccine prices has focused attention on a practice considered normal in the drug industry but often frowned on elsewhere: charging different prices to different customers for the same product. South Africa’s government found itself on the defensive this week after...
"The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is much cheaper, although neither the UK nor the US can match the EU's $2.15 deal: they are expecting to pay about $3 and $4, respectively, per dose."
The info of what the EU was paying came from the Belgium's Budget State Secretary posting how much the EU was paying.
So still it's the cheapest Vaccine.
The most expensive is the American Moderna vaccine. Why's that so expensive?
Where the criticism of the EU in this guy's video? Isn't there an argument that they, as a governmental institution, has unfairly used the fact that they're a collective of high income countries that also have factories to produce the vaccine, to prioritise themselves?
Bit of a scandal in the UK that the EU started demanding vaccines manufactured in the UK to be shipped to them:
Coronavirus: EU demands UK-made AstraZeneca vaccine doses
The bloc says UK plants are obliged to help make up for possible shortfalls in EU production.
www.bbc.co.uk
Also Oxford University is a public university in the UK. It is owned by the UK government.
So Bill Gates forced them to sign the deal. Where were the UK politicians?
Also look. I called him a "Leftist Tucket Carlson" because that looks like what his format looks like to me. I don't like, it's a lot of appeal to emotion.
From my perspective he's combining multiple bad things in a somewhat dishonest way that to make his overall point.
Just like you with the family to feed stuff. Putting together the anti $600 cheques thing from Lindsey Graham about his point about Bill Gates specifically.
Like take the articles that you linked from his description.
The Aftinet (who seems to be an policy interest group) repeats essentially what the other sources said.
But overall it's about the significant and opaque financial intrests the Gates Foundation has.
Which is an issue but different from the price of the vaccine.
Also from the South African article you linked:
Oh wow. So someone from Médecins Sans Frontières is saying that the Pfizer and Moderna, really expensive American vaccines could be replicated easier especially since the current manufacturer hasn't even made it before?!
These are American companies. Why isn't there more criticism of them?
And also what are the politicians of these rich countries doing?
Is Bill Gates the illuminati controlling everything that they do?
So by Cody pointing out that the Bill and Gates foundation used their power to have Oxford exclusively choose a pharma company that they invested in and will make a profit isn't super sketchy?
Especially now that they are underperforming in delivery, and charging places like South Africa twice as much as the EU?
Also, of course Bill Gates is going to respond that way. He can't just say "Yeah I used my influence to determine who can soley produces this vaccine, and that just so happened to be a company my foundation has invested in and will make money off of."
Like there's so much wrong here, and you want to defend the billionaire and criticize the person reporting on it because they need to keep the lights on. You spent more time criticizing the stupid earbuds than a billionaire who is using his power to screw over people during a COVID crisis. To me that speaks volumes about your priorities.
My point in the reply above is that this is the cheapest Vaccine.
A vaccine pharmacist at Doctors Without Borders say that the Moderner and Pfizer would be significantly easier to produce.
But where's the criticism towards these American companies?
It seems a bit disproportionate.
Also I think the EU should be criticised for negotiating lower prices than even the USA.
You know perhaps the process should have been a mandated fixed global price.
Who would have the ability to do so? Elected officials.
I'm not saying that there isn't worth in criticising the Gates foundation and Bill Gates himself.
They have significant investment in the pharma industry and a lot of it is opaque.
From here:
While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer
The billionaire’s pandemic investments, like much of his work, remain a secret.
www.thenation.com
But here's the thing. Donald Trump was one of the leading voices when it came to COVID as the President of America.
Who advocated Zinc and Hydroxychloroquine.
So the way I see it. There isn't evidence that the actions of the Gates foundation has a profit motive for requiring exclusivity.
From what I've read it's quite a complex vaccine to make.
Even a small chance that a vaccine could be contaminated or ineffective due to manufacturing would seriously damage update.
The video author doesn't even question that.
When: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/covid-vaccine-refuse-france-germany-us-quarter
Nearly 40% of French people don't currently want to take the vaccine.
Can you imagine the damage a fault vaccine would do? When already there's significant amounts of people that think the vaccine is harmful?
Where people have to worry about where the vaccine was manufactured?
So did Gates screw over people? The articles linked in the video point more to having a financial stake in companies rather than this was intentional profiteering. But they have stakes in lots of companies. The funding for the Oxford Vaccine mostly came form CEPI it seems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Epidemic_Preparedness_Innovations) Which Norway, Germany and Japan have bigger stakes in.
And the fact that the video author glosses over the more expensive, but easier to manufacture but having an exclusive contract with 1 company American vaccine, I'll take that is wasn't properly researched (by reading the articles he linked himself) just as part of the narrative against billionaries in general, and of course taking the heat away from elected officials.
I thought it was disappointing that half way through a video about how the rich are screwing us all over that Cody tried to sell me a pair of wireless headphones. A luxury item. Really?
It really took the wind out of my sails to watch the rest of the video.
It really took the wind out of my sails to watch the rest of the video.
You really think that's what he is saying? Cause that is really not what he is saying.
Ever.
A guy who pretty much works on his own time to make a small show on Youtube to try and tell people about problems in society, who has to combine revenues from patreon with ads for "shitty earphones", with no malicious intent against anyone but the rich and corrupt who screw our society.
Vs.
A guy who works for a billion dollar news firm who tells racist, sexist, homophobic lies with CLEAR malicious intent against minorities and other oppressed groups to further the agenda of the well-to-do who back his news corp.
Same thing.
Those rich farts must smell like fucking elderberries to be defending them and their actions like this.
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It does remind me of George Soros panic. It's kind of hard to believe that Bill Gates is a central player in fighting Covid-19.
That was me just riffing off your post. The style of the video is to appeal to emotion by outraging the viewer.
And his points hit close to the "bill gates is going to microchip you with vaccines" level of discourse.
Because it's all about how Gates is profiting off the vaccine, and wants more and more money.
Like take this foundation created in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Epidemic_Preparedness_Innovations
Here's a quote:
CEPI was founded by the Gates Foundation. And then provided funding to Oxford University for the vaccine.
And also provided grants directly:
Committed Grants | Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
This database includes grant commitments made by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and previous foundations of the Gates family (William H. Gates Foundation, Gates Library Foundation, and Gates Learning Foundation) from 1994 onward.
www.gatesfoundation.org
So what's the solution proposed? Because I imagine without this funding of hundreds of millions, perhaps the Oxford Vaccine wouldn't exist.
Would the UK Conservative Party have stepped up?
Also where is the criticism of the significantly more expensive American vaccines?
The video's linked article talking about the South African costs, have a quote from Doctors without Borders saying that the Pfizer and Moderna faccines would be easier to manufacture. Especially as 1 company has has the monopoly on manufacturing that has never made a vaccine before.
They do manufacture vaccines. Eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_attenuated_influenza_vaccine
So what basically Last Week Tonight, The Daily Show, Full Frontal with Samantha Bee, Late Night with Seth Meyers and etc. does by pointing out how society is constantly being screwed over, mostly by the rich, with the main difference here being that Cody actually takes the argument to the end point and actually say the thing those other shows either can't or wont, "capitalism is fucking us, and we need to get rid of it with socialism."
We should be outraged. We should be angry. It's a good emotion to have in times like these. Cause we have seen now more than ever in the last year how little our governments and our rich philanthropy assholes really care about the working people and how more important it is that we just get out and restart production again so they can keep earning money while we earn less. Even in a fucking global pandemic.
So yeah, I think it's a good thing to be outraged. Especially if that outrage is directed towards those who deserve it, rather than what we see from the fucking right who keeps trying to deflect it all onto poor people and minorities while throwing their money onto tax havens while people are distracted.
I posted my response earlier in the thread:
[SOME MORE NEWS] How Rich People Keep Screwing Up Global Health
Eat the rich if old
www.resetera.com
But rather than some exposé of Gates. This video comes off as more Pfizer/Moderna propoganda.
Why isn't the video about the vaccines which cost SIGNIFICANTLY more?
Was it Bill Gates funding them too?
I was reacting to the video I watched. And I think it's a bad video.
It's combining different bad things together and doesn't contextualise it.
Like Gates becoming $10bil richer, is that off the vaccines? Or is that off the general stock market which has pretty much doubled on average over the last couple of years?
The some more news guy is a preacher. I gained nothing valuable from it.
Ah yes. Let's critique the cheapest vaccine but not the easier to produce but significantly more expensive American vaccines.
There must be a reason for the Americans to be charging so much.
I like the part where Moderna say they are open source but don't give instructions on how to manufacture.
I posted my response earlier in the thread:
[SOME MORE NEWS] How Rich People Keep Screwing Up Global Health
Eat the rich if old
But rather than some exposé of Gates. This video comes off as more Pfizer/Moderna propoganda.
Why isn't the video about the vaccines which cost SIGNIFICANTLY more?
Was it Bill Gates funding them too?
I was reacting to the video I watched. And I think it's a bad video.
It's combining different bad things together and doesn't contextualise it.
Like Gates becoming $10bil richer, is that off the vaccines? Or is that off the general stock market which has pretty much doubled on average over the last couple of years?
The some more news guy is a preacher. I gained nothing valuable from it.
Ah yes. Let's critique the cheapest vaccine but not the easier to produce but significantly more expensive American vaccines.
There must be a reason for the Americans to be charging so much.
I like the part where Moderna say they are open source but don't give instructions on how to manufacture.
You keep on about "What about the American vaccines!" but that entire segment was not about that at all. It was distinctly about how poor rollouts of vaccines in poorer countries i.e. NOT America is going to eventually bite everyone in the ass. American health care being more expensive is not news.
Era complains about right populism an them spreading misleading information (which they do because the right are shits), but are fine when it comes from the left.
Then how about vaccines that cost either or next-to-NOTHING which was the whole bloody point of making the vaccine available as open source so that different manufacturers all around the world could have helped out rolling it out? Yeah, it comes with risks, no guarantees etc., but at least it would have made them easier to produce and we could have gotten them out to people who need them, in the entire world, to people who are not white.I posted my response earlier in the thread:
[SOME MORE NEWS] How Rich People Keep Screwing Up Global Health
Eat the rich if old
But rather than some exposé of Gates. This video comes off as more Pfizer/Moderna propoganda.
Why isn't the video about the vaccines which cost SIGNIFICANTLY more?
Was it Bill Gates funding them too?
I was reacting to the video I watched. And I think it's a bad video.
It's combining different bad things together and doesn't contextualise it.
Like Gates becoming $10bil richer, is that off the vaccines? Or is that off the general stock market which has pretty much doubled on average over the last couple of years?
The some more news guy is a preacher. I gained nothing valuable from it.
Ah yes. Let's critique the cheapest vaccine but not the easier to produce but significantly more expensive American vaccines.
There must be a reason for the Americans to be charging so much.
I like the part where Moderna say they are open source but don't give instructions on how to manufacture.
Your hurt sensibilities still doesn't change the fact that we're talking about trying to save poor people's lives. And to you maybe that 2.5 dollars in Europe vs. 5 dollars in South Africa isn't big of a deal, but for countries that are way more strapped for money, that shit ads up, and it's going to hurt the poorest ALWAYS.
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You seem to conveniently skip the fact that EU paid AZ a large amount of money (336 million euros to be exact) to speed up vaccine development in exchange for having delivered a specific amount of doses, at specific time periods. But then, in a shocking twist, AZ decided they want even more money, so they started looking into selling the precious little amount of vaccines they already produced to the UK because they paid them more, vaccines which they were contractually obligated to deliver to EU.
Which is like, objectively shitty.
But this is like a cherry on top of shit cake, because while you are dancing around bullshit semantics to defend a billionaire, the facts are that if it wasn't for the Bill Gates foundation and AstraZeneca, we would have more vaccines available right now, which would mean more people being vaccinated, which would mean LESS 👏 PEOPLE 👏 DEAD 👏 EVERY 👏 DAY. And yet you are somehow arguing that it wouldn't be better than what we have right now?
Oh, I would really like to see examples of said propaganda good sir.
And what kind of misleading information this video spreads? Because Bill Gates thing was confirmed by Bill Gates himself. The argument that is happening right now in this thread is whatever or not the thing he did was beneficial to the majority of the population, and by looking at the vaccine rollout almost everywhere, I'm gonna go with NO.
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I think the best way to consume Some More News (and any program that cites its sources to make a larger point, especially with appeals to emotion) is to first read the cited sources. From there you can watch the video with a bit more of a critical lens and see if you agree with the logic in the video.
For me, anything that tries to lead me toward some blanket statement that X is evil and Y is good just makes me super skeptical.
For me, anything that tries to lead me toward some blanket statement that X is evil and Y is good just makes me super skeptical.
As with Era tradition I'm posting without watching the source lol,I will later though. Anyway my comment was more about Era in general.
This isn't about American Healthcare. It's american pharma companies.
Unless you're saying that this American youtuber is saying that it's the responsibility of a european company only to provide vaccines for poorer countries.
Literally my point is that s that the Oxford vaccine is more difficult to produce compared to the American vaccines.
But the whole online backlash against the Gates foundation isn't focussed on isn't focussing on that.
PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO TAKE A VACCINE IF A MANUFACTURER STARTS FUCKING UP THE VACCINES
How difficult is that to understand?
The biggest obstacle to vaccine rollout is people not wanting to take it.
We live in a world that the lie "vaccines cause autism" brought back diseases which were on the road to being irradiated.
And let's not pretend that there hasn't been a bunch of disinformation campaigns against Gates Foundation vaccine rollouts.
Like their polio vaccine rollout in in India where it was spread on social media that they paralysed 496,000 children.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation wasn’t kicked out of India - Full Fact
Also, claims that the polio vaccine paralysed thousands of children are based on shaky evidence.
fullfact.org
PolitiFact - Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination
A popular conspiracy theory on Facebook digs into Bill Gates’ past to try to discredit his current efforts to speed up t
www.politifact.com
I'm skipping over what fact? Where did they request more money?:
EU holds out for more after AstraZeneca offered 8 million extra COVID-19 shots
AstraZeneca offered eight million more doses of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union to try to defuse a row over supplies, but the bloc said that was too far short of what was originally promised, an EU official told Reuters.
www.reuters.com
They said there were manufacturing problems.
Who could manufacture the vaccine, that can't at the moment? Has a drug manufacturing company said that they could do so buy AstraZenica wasn't allowing them publicly?
Did you know that the Serum institute in India got licenced last June?
They've got a capacity of 1.5 billion doses a year.
U.K. inspects AstraZeneca vaccine partner's India manufacturing, setting stage for supply boost
AstraZeneca set up a globetrotting supply network for its COVID-19 vaccine to deliver doses around the world, but it hasn't tapped regional producers to ease delivery shortfalls elsewhere. | Britain's drug regulator is auditing Serum Institute of India's manufacturing processes, potentially...
IDI Biologika are coming onboard from this month:
AstraZeneca teams with IDT Biologika to speed coronavirus vaccine output in EU
AstraZeneca is teaming up with German CDMO IDT Biologika to quickly speed output of finished COVID-19 vaccine doses. And their pact doesn't stop with this pandemic. | AstraZeneca is teaming up with German CDMO IDT Biologika to quickly speed output of finished COVID-19 vaccine doses. But their...
AstraZenica are getting other companies to manufacture the vaccine.
It seems like you think that producing a vaccine is like making a Coca Cola factory.
You've just got this rage which seems to have no basis in fact the reporting provided just goes "Bill gates is shady billionaire"
Just the feeling that there could have been more vaccines created.
You have no proof that there would be more vaccines available if it wasn't for Gates and AstraZeneca.
And the video and You ignore the other vaccines which could also be accelerated.
And conveniently the ones which are easier to produce are the American ones.
So maybe YouTube man who reads some articles and posts a rant about Bill Gates keeping the vaccines away from third world countries might be influenced by PR from other billion dollar companies.
Anyway, I guess the conclusion I'm supposed to have it:
Bill Gates is a evil billionaire.
Funding the hundreds of millions for the vaccine to the created in the first place.
But also wanting people not to get it. Because he wants more money.
He's the one responsible. Not the governments, not the other pharma companies with their expensive vaccines.
Did you even watch the video? He's not only talking about Bill Gates. He mentions multiple governments, politicians, and pharma companies throughout.
He's talking about capitalism as a whole.
This is accurate - though this thread has seemed to focus more heavily on Gates / billionaire hate, so it makes sense if the poster focuses on him, I think.
All Billionaires are ghouls. They shouldn't exist. Period. The only way you become a Billionaire is by stepping on other people along the way.
He's trying to. There are a lot of good arguments against unfettered capitalism. This weird Bill Gates fixation isn't one of them. "Why can't just anybody go make a complex and vital vaccine without supervision" is not a smart question. Cody sometimes comes up with some gems, but he's mostly good at appeal to emotion without a lot of substance, and this is just another example of the latter.
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No, just common logic. There are 43 facilities around the world that could be making Oxford vaccine right now, how many is doing that?
Also, you don't have any proof that there wouldn't be more vaccines, so I guess that evens out.
Sure they could, fuck them, and fuck Moderna in particular. But they have never promised to make their vaccine open source, only to backpedal on it because MONEY.
I'm sure there are no chances that articles you posted where influenced by PR from AZ and Bill Gates. No chances AT ALL. The media that say the thing you want to hear, only those are truly objective!
Let's not forget he's also against deplatforming fascist.
Co-funding. With the goal of profiting later.
Oh he does want people to get it. People that can afford it.
Lets not forget about Marvel Studios, I'm sure they are also responsible for this, somehow.
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Would that be true of people who become billionaires by way of sports and creative endeavors? For example, George Lucas is a billionaire, but that seems different than what you are describing. (Edit: I'm talking about the idea that they shouldn't exist and are ghouls *because* the only way to become one is to step on other people along the way.)
Appeal to emotion isn't a style, it's an argumentative fallacy. And if you're going to make that accusation then it'd be good to thoroughly demonstrate. Cody and his team are pretty exhaustive with sourcing and providing evidence.
jfc what planet are you even on
Anyone telling you things and have a financial stake in telling you things is technically a 'grifter'.
Yes, that means pretty much every news outlet either as a multi-billion dollar institution or a 2-person outfit fall under this.
Your job now and always is to determine the outline of where self-interest and bias end and truth begins.
SocialismTube is actually one of the better ones because typically the biggest issue with them is disagreeing with them as to how much work replacing the current system would be. Or if it can ever be replaced.
eh, part of providing evidence is providing counter evidence and demonstrating why the counter evidence is either wrong or not a big factor. Jonnax provided plenty of links to evidence that Some More News should have gone over but didn't. By choosing not to acknowledge evidence to the contrary that shows why open source vaccines may be a bad idea and could result in loss of faith, his editorial style (Some More News is not news just the opinions section in a YouTube format) makes it an appeal to emotion and yes a logical fallacy.
So, basically the defense for this is that if the vaccine was open source, we would get defective vaccines. I don't buy it. Making it open source would mean that labs and companies *capable* of manufacturing it would be able to. That's it. It's not like people would be making them in trailers and selling them in the streets.
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This isn't about American Healthcare. It's american pharma companies.
Unless you're saying that this American youtuber is saying that it's the responsibility of a european company only to provide vaccines for poorer countries.
Literally my point is that s that the Oxford vaccine is more difficult to produce compared to the American vaccines.
But the whole online backlash against the Gates foundation isn't focussed on isn't focussing on that.
PEOPLE WILL NOT WANT TO TAKE A VACCINE IF A MANUFACTURER STARTS FUCKING UP THE VACCINES
How difficult is that to understand?
The biggest obstacle to vaccine rollout is people not wanting to take it.
We live in a world that the lie "vaccines cause autism" brought back diseases which were on the road to being irradiated.
And let's not pretend that there hasn't been a bunch of disinformation campaigns against Gates Foundation vaccine rollouts.
Like their polio vaccine rollout in in India where it was spread on social media that they paralysed 496,000 children.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation wasn’t kicked out of India - Full Fact
Also, claims that the polio vaccine paralysed thousands of children are based on shaky evidence.PolitiFact - Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination
A popular conspiracy theory on Facebook digs into Bill Gates’ past to try to discredit his current efforts to speed up t
I'm skipping over what fact? Where did they request more money?:
EU holds out for more after AstraZeneca offered 8 million extra COVID-19 shots
AstraZeneca offered eight million more doses of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union to try to defuse a row over supplies, but the bloc said that was too far short of what was originally promised, an EU official told Reuters.
They said there were manufacturing problems.
Who could manufacture the vaccine, that can't at the moment? Has a drug manufacturing company said that they could do so buy AstraZenica wasn't allowing them publicly?
Did you know that the Serum institute in India got licenced last June?
They've got a capacity of 1.5 billion doses a year.
U.K. inspects AstraZeneca vaccine partner's India manufacturing, setting stage for supply boost
AstraZeneca set up a globetrotting supply network for its COVID-19 vaccine to deliver doses around the world, but it hasn't tapped regional producers to ease delivery shortfalls elsewhere. | Britain's drug regulator is auditing Serum Institute of India's manufacturing processes, potentially...www.fiercepharma.com
IDI Biologika are coming onboard from this month:
AstraZeneca teams with IDT Biologika to speed coronavirus vaccine output in EU
AstraZeneca is teaming up with German CDMO IDT Biologika to quickly speed output of finished COVID-19 vaccine doses. And their pact doesn't stop with this pandemic. | AstraZeneca is teaming up with German CDMO IDT Biologika to quickly speed output of finished COVID-19 vaccine doses. But their...
AstraZenica are getting other companies to manufacture the vaccine.
It seems like you think that producing a vaccine is like making a Coca Cola factory.
You've just got this rage which seems to have no basis in fact the reporting provided just goes "Bill gates is shady billionaire"
Just the feeling that there could have been more vaccines created.
You have no proof that there would be more vaccines available if it wasn't for Gates and AstraZeneca.
And the video and You ignore the other vaccines which could also be accelerated.
And conveniently the ones which are easier to produce are the American ones.
So maybe YouTube man who reads some articles and posts a rant about Bill Gates keeping the vaccines away from third world countries might be influenced by PR from other billion dollar companies.
Anyway, I guess the conclusion I'm supposed to have it:
Bill Gates is a evil billionaire.
Funding the hundreds of millions for the vaccine to the created in the first place.
But also wanting people not to get it. Because he wants more money.
He's the one responsible. Not the governments, not the other pharma companies with their expensive vaccines.
Holy shit are you just brimming with petulance and indignance. Like, sure you can make some arguments, but you might try pulling your head out of your ass first. Christ.
More importantly, they would still need to go through certification by governments.
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Socialism is absolutely not immune to being taken over by greedy sociopaths, but unlike capitalism it doesn't actively breed and favor those kinds of people. The system that will work for the society need people that will care about that society, not themselves, their sponsors, families and party members, but everyone. And I'm sorry to break it to you, but being calm and rational and polite when faced with fascists will end with their boot on your throat.
Government certification isn't the bullet point you think it is as government standards are not uniform and some governments are willing to take higher instances of negative effects than others which would open the door to anti-vax arguments based on one regions bad provider.