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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
    1,043

Keasar

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Happy 104 years since Russian Revolution.

RUSSIAN REVOLUTION AS NEVER SEEN BEFORE: the real story, told by an eyewitness – EXCLUSIVE | The Russian Revolution | History & Theory

One hundred and four years ago, the Russian working class seized power. To celebrate the anniversary of these remarkable events, we are excited to make the following eye-witness account of revolutionary Russia in 1920 available to an online audience.

I'm always getting thrown off by the calendar change.

Not related to the Revolution, but worth posting:

 

Sibylus

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And liberals, be they democrat, republican, or some other inane formulation, would rather join hands and scold the poor.
 

Chikor

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Noah Smith is a profoundly stupid person, like aggressively so.
It's so fucking funny to see people trying to defend that clown and then he comes like Thomas Mnaga Original Creator and be "oh no, I meant all of it earnestly".

That's why you don't let finance people write about stuff.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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"There's a pro-American majority with no one to represent them" lol. Yes, the problem is Democrats aren't patriotic enough.

Matty and Noah Smith together is like a whirlpool of neoliberal brain drain.

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It's pretty neat that the showrunner of Netflix Cowboy Bebop has basically the same opinion as him, too.
 

Chikor

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"There's a pro-American majority with no one to represent them" lol. Yes, the problem is Democrats aren't patriotic enough.

Matty and Noah Smith together is like a whirlpool of neoliberal brain drain.

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It's pretty neat that the showrunner of Netflix Cowboy Bebop has basically the same opinion as him, too.
I have no fucking clue how anyone take this clown seriously.
Well, I guess I do, he writes long winded tedious articles filled with MBA-esque jargon, and sadly there are enough people who think that shit must be deep based on style alone.
 

leder

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Oct 25, 2017
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"There's a pro-American majority with no one to represent them" lol. Yes, the problem is Democrats aren't patriotic enough.

Matty and Noah Smith together is like a whirlpool of neoliberal brain drain.

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It's pretty neat that the showrunner of Netflix Cowboy Bebop has basically the same opinion as him, too.
guess I'm a lib now.


Does this guy even know what "neoliberal" means, or does he think it's just like, money and economic specialization existing
 
Nov 14, 2017
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Noah Smith is a profoundly stupid person, like aggressively so.
It's so fucking funny to see people trying to defend that clown and then he comes like Thomas Mnaga Original Creator and be "oh no, I meant all of it earnestly".

That's why you don't let finance people write about stuff.
This is where I point out he's not a finance person and many of his econ takes are just as bad. More than intelligence, because he's convinced himself that he's a serious and independent thinker, no level of incoherent trolling on either moral or intellectual terms is off-limits, so long as it achieves the important goal of smugly dismissing any view to his left. Hardly a unique archetype, but in this instance he has a platform of sorts.
 

Chikor

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This is where I point out he's not a finance person and many of his econ takes are just as bad. More than intelligence, because he's convinced himself that he's a serious and independent thinker, no level of incoherent trolling on either moral or intellectual terms is off-limits, so long as it achieves the important goal of smugly dismissing any view to his left. Hardly a unique archetype, but in this instance he has a platform of sorts.
I just said that because bio says he was assistant professor of finance, it wasn't serious, but I'm not surprised to learn that he also has awful takes in the field of his supposed expertise.

I think he pulls like half a mil a year from substack.
I love meritocracy.
 
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I just said that because bio says he was assistant professor of finance, it wasn't serious, but I'm not surprised to learn that he also has awful takes in the field of his supposed expertise.

I think he pulls like half a mil a year from substack.
I love meritocracy.
I think he has a physics background and did a couple of mathy asset market papers so that makes sense, but yeah punditry has been his main calling for a while now. The distinction between econ and finance is kind of niche but in my experience a lot of folks who actually work in finance like to make sure they're not mistaken for economists, and I can't say I blame them.

Semi-relevant tidbit that folks in this thread may or may not know, the guy who came up with the idea of hedge funds had an interesting life:
 

Mekanos

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This, more than anything else I think, fuels my beliefs. The idea that neoliberal capitalism is the best humanity can do is something I oppose entirely. An actual deep dive into sociology and history should cast heavy doubt on such a claim.
 

Ragnar

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Oct 28, 2017
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Does anyone reckon that adding this visual explanation of various socialist (including anarchist) positions to the OP could be useful? It's roughly 10 minutes long, so not a large time investment.

 
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Does anyone reckon that adding this visual explanation of various socialist (including anarchist) positions to the OP could be useful? It's roughly 10 minutes long, so not a large time investment.



I think this generally does a fair job, although there are some elements I'd quibble with. The one big problem is that he introduces Nazism in the video as "here's some people who called themselves socialists" but then never outright says that they aren't, unless he's getting at that by saying that they had a market economy. But he also says this about China, which he compares to social democratic Scandinavian states, so it's unclear what his conclusion is here - I got the sense he may be avoiding declaring whether China is or isn't actually socialist, while also trying to avoid drawing a comparison between the PRC and Nazi Germany. But if other people think I should add it, I'm not averse to it.
 
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Ragnar

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I think thos generally does a fair job, although there are some elements I'd quibble with. The one big problem is that he introduces Nazism in the video as "here's some people who called themselves socialists" but then never outright says that they aren't, unless he's getting at that by saying that they had a market economy. But he also says this about China, which he compares to social democratic Scandinavian states, so it's unclear what his conclusion is here - I got the sense he may be avoiding declaring whether China is or isn't actually socialist, while also trying to avoid drawing a comparison between the PRC and Nazi Germany. But if other people think I should add it, I'm not averse to it.
All fair points. I don't think you'll get much discussion going on the subject, unfortunately, so ultimately I'd say go with your own conscience because it's your OP after all!

Are there any other visual explanations of how different leftist ideologies relate to each other that you would recommend, or feel have fewer drawbacks?
 
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All fair points. I don't think you'll get much discussion going on the subject, unfortunately, so ultimately I'd say go with your own conscience because it's your OP after all!

Are there any other visual explanations of how different leftist ideologies relate to each other that you would recommend, or feel have fewer drawbacks?

You know, I'm not really sure. I wish I had a higher res version of this but it's about capitalism, socialism, and communism, not inter-left tendencies.

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JJ: Very simply, what is Moderna claiming it did, and how does that comport with your understanding of the invention of this vaccine?

PM:
Moderna says that it independently designed the sequence used in the NIH/Moderna vaccine, what we might think of as the vaccine itself. The National Institutes of Health says that it sent over a sequence which Moderna plugged into its process. So it is a technical dispute regarding, essentially, authorship of the vaccine.

Now, what's not in dispute is that the National Institutes of Health and Moderna have been partners in this process for several years. And it's important but often overlooked: The National Institutes of Health are the world's leading funder of biomedical research, with about $40 billion taxpayer dollars invested every year in products that are eventually sold, largely under monopoly conditions, by the pharmaceutical industry.

In this case, federal scientists pioneered research into coronaviruses long before COVID-19. You recall that we had SARS and MERS, and were aware that there was a coronavirus threat, and it was the federal government that pushed much of that research ahead, and also played a role helping pioneer the various vaccine platforms, including MRNA, which has proved so effective.

So in this case, we have a dispute over who is the inventor of the core patent at the heart of the world's most effective COVID-19 vaccine. And NIH and Moderna just don't agree. And we are now starting to get rumblings out of NIH that perhaps they will take this to the next level, and seek a legal resolution. What we understand is that the company and the U.S. government have been fighting about this behind closed doors for a year now.

JJ: What is the meaningful impact? What would it, for instance, limit the U.S. government from doing if Moderna gets sole credit for invention here? And what would it allow Moderna to do?

PM: If the U.S. government is a co-inventor, it has more formal power, as well as more informal leverage, to insist on certain uses of the vaccine, to license the technology to more manufacturers worldwide, to help scale up production, for example. Or, and to your initial point, to insist on royalty payments to the government in exchange for Moderna's use of some of this publicly funded technology.

The truth of the matter is that the NIH and the U.S. government actually have broader powers than just what are in this patent. And we believe and have said all along that the U.S. government, under its contract with Moderna, or under the Defense Production Act and the Bayh/Dole Act, and other powers under existing law, has the power to share key vaccine information, license other producers, perhaps simply share the entire NIH/ Moderna vaccine recipe with the World Health Organization, to see production scaled up and this key invention made available to all the world's people, who so desperately need it.

But there's no doubt that, in reputational terms, in terms of the story that is told, potentially in terms of dollars, the issue of who really invented the vaccine just has great salience and implications for what kinds of decisions the government makes about that power that we believe it has.

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You know, worldwide, more than 10 million people so far have died as a result of the pandemic. And a core issue there is that there have not been enough vaccines to go around. And NIH/Moderna is the people's vaccine, or should be the people's vaccine–publicly funded, publicly pioneered, public science leading the way, and even running the clinical trials. Taxpayers paid for 99% of this vaccine's development.

But Moderna is trying to turn this people's vaccine into a rich people's vaccine. It has been available primarily to wealthy countries, very few doses going to COVAX or to the global relief effort, and the technology not being shared with the World Health Organization, or others that could build on it.

So that's what's at stake, and from the beginning of the pandemic, unfortunately, the U.S. government's position has been to be extremely deferential to corporate interests, rather than noting the scale of the crisis, and noting the government's own involvement, and saying, you know what? We are co-owners of this vaccine, and we shall make it available to the world, because the crisis calls for that.

Our position always has been that the U.S. government can compensate Moderna for its investment and its scientific engagements, but that we should not allow, that humanity cannot afford, for such an important medical tool to be held corporate confidential, and limited in its rollout at this time.
 

Serpens007

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While Chilean Prog left presidential candidate, Gabriel Boric, is doing a strong campaign through the streets of the country, the far right Jose Antonio Kast is continuing his campaign by travelling to... the United Stated of America.

He's meeting Marco Rubio, the Council of Americas and Interamerican Dialogue.

That's an... interesting turn of events.
 
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While Chilean Prog left presidential candidate, Gabriel Boric, is doing a strong campaign through the streets of the country, the far right Jose Antonio Kast is continuing his campaign by travelling to... the United Stated of America.

He's meeting Marco Rubio, the Council of Americas and Interamerican Dialogue.

That's an... interesting turn of events.

Spooky.