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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
    1,043

Terrell

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,624
Canada
I was sadly informed the FFT quote is a shop, I'm too lazy to confirm for myself by replaying FFT.
Some things are too good to truly exist in this world. It happens. Also...

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Let's go through some of these Bidenbro picks


Hmm, as we can see here the CIA is not only evil, but really dumb too. There's no defending the CIA. Next...

This is a thread highly worth reading about Neera and illustrates to me how people underestimate how vile she is.


This in particular


Remember kids: Anti-communism is a high order fascist directive. The Nazis, LatAm fascists, every instance. They come after commies first. And when they come there's no cutesy games or confusion from liberals about who the real leftists are and who qualifies. lol Who is raising hell against Modi? Who helped him? And to tie back to Neera, who is doing anti communist/leftist propaganda and strategizing here?

I think, so long as they pick an insider to lead the CIA, there's no such thing as a good pick, they all tow the line of what that organization does and has been willing to do over the decades. And I couldn't fathom someone being picked from outside the CIA.
 

smisk

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,003


This feels like it's supposed to be a troll post, but there's actually some interesting comments - made me think about how nebulous and arbitrary the idea of land claim and borders are.
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
This is why some people are for open borders, there is no objective meaning to national borders, it's all make believe and convention and therefore malleable as far as we want them to be.

The original post looks like a troll though.
 

Terrell

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,624
Canada


This feels like it's supposed to be a troll post, but there's actually some interesting comments - made me think about how nebulous and arbitrary the idea of land claim and borders are.

Be 100% assured that it's a troll, suggesting that there's no validity to claims of stolen land "because history is built on violent conquest", ignoring the fact that it wasn't a good practice back then either and, unlike most historic examples, the ethno-cultural ancestors of the people whose land was stolen through highly effective genocide (and lived through said acts of genocide) are STILL ALIVE and telling ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN it's happened while dirtbags are pretending that they can't hear them. So yeah, bit of a different situation.
But since most liberals don't enjoy admitting that their leaders were not the enlightened liberty-for-all champions of fairness and civility they were told they were, fingers go in ears. And even the ones who listen will be sympathetic until it's time to do right by them.
 

Deleted member 7130

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,685
Some things are too good to truly exist in this world. It happens. Also...

jramOtw.gif


I think, so long as they pick an insider to lead the CIA, there's no such thing as a good pick, they all tow the line of what that organization does and has been willing to do over the decades. And I couldn't fathom someone being picked from outside the CIA.

Yeah I don't disagree with that. Which is why I stuck to shitting on the CIA entire as an org. lol Like if this is the guy that was the best choice and all he can give in the CIA's best defense are woefully inadequate retorts while thinking he had very smart responses... then the organization must be pretty dumb across the board. Like a whole Duning Kruger factory.
 
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Chikor

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
14,239
This feels like it's supposed to be a troll post, but there's actually some interesting comments - made me think about how nebulous and arbitrary the idea of land claim and borders are.
It's true that the borders of pretty much all nation states are based on some shitty things in the past and most of them are arbitrary.
But not all countries are settler colonial countries. Most of them aren't. Colonialism isn't the same as conquest or immigration.
And not all countries are inhabited by people who genocided the people who lived there before them.
 

Mulligan

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,505
I have a feeling AOC might be a true believer and leave electoral politics in a few years to start being a full on activist.
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
I might be being selfish here, but I hope not. She is stronger behind enemy lines than in front of it. We have a lot of social media firebrand direct action activists already. We have very few elected representatives of her caliber. In Congress, she's the face of a movement. Out of Congress she would be one leader among dozens.

As always, I advocate a multi-pronged approach to socialism so I'd rather maximize the amount of ideological weapons we have in all arenas of struggle.
 

Terrell

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,624
Canada
Yeah, honestly, if the US throws her away, I would gladly whisk her across the border to Canada any day of the week so she could do what she does here to I think a much greater effect.

And "she just tweets" is so lazy and it revives a certain tired trope that politicians should operate at a prescribed distance from the electorate itself, rather than being constantly engaged in discussion with them. And really, it's lacking the implied "instead of governing", which is... yeah. Instead of being critical that she tweets, maybe they should be mad at other politicians being total garbage at multi-tasking that she has all this extra time to engage with the average citizen?
 

leder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,111
I just assume that people with moeblob avatars posting "woe to the vanquished" discourse have muscletone akin to softserve and wouldn't be able to conquer a parking spot.
 

Terrell

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,624
Canada
Yep. White supremacy and capital are deathly afraid of BIPOC empowerment through leftist (not liberal) ideology.
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A long standing taboo to this day. Maybe the wealthy and white have a reason to be afraid...
Yeah, the KKK loves the "good blacks". Sure. I believe you, and I'm sure the black community did/does too.

Who were they honestly trying to kid here?
 

striderno9

The Fallen
Oct 31, 2017
2,344
New York, NY
Welcome to the club. What brought you to it?

The pandemic made me realize how vital the working class is to the United States and then seeing how little power they have made things clear for me. Once I understood that I just expanded my view to a global scale and realized this struggle for power against the capitalist elites is something we all have to contend with if we want actual change.

I credit Michael Brooks and Cornel West for bringing me to the party.
 
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sphagnum

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,058
The pandemic made me realize how vital the working class is to the United States and then seeing how little power they have made things clear for me. Once I understood that I just expanded my view to a global scale and realized this struggle for power against the capitalist elites is something we all have to contend with if we want actual change.

I credit Michael Brooks and Cornel West for bringing me to the party.

Yeah, the pandemic has laid bare how insane the current order is. I expect this to be a big radicalizing event for many people in the same way the 2008 crash was.

Again, welcome!
 

Mekanos

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 17, 2018
44,176
It's the anniversary of Fred Hampton's death and Jacobin had a pretty cringe headline about it, BUT we did get this:

 

Mekanos

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Member
Oct 17, 2018
44,176
I do not understand. Am I missing context?

The joke of the tweet is people who will celebrate and mourn Hampton without acknowledging that he was a communist.

Jacobin published this earlier:



Which is uh, not why Hampton died, and takes focus away from the radical efforts of black communists to liberate black people.
 

striderno9

The Fallen
Oct 31, 2017
2,344
New York, NY
I did not know this happened in India.



www.jacobinmag.com

“This Is a Revolution, Sir”

Workers in India last week launched a general strike that brought out an estimated 250 million people, arguably the largest in human history. Now, they’re joining hands with farmers to protest Narendra Modi’s pro-corporate, far-right agenda.
 
Nov 14, 2017
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I think this is a good read that touches on both an interesting sociological/ideological development (increasing numbers of young leftists in finance) and a body of thought that some mightn't be too familiar with.

Worth emphasising though, that these are the views of some people who work in finance (and within these views some are more left than others), not those of the firms or the investors/companies they represent. Keynesian theory/MMT isn't necessarily something you "do" as an alternative to advocating socialism (common misconception), but simply having people working in finance who hold these views isn't going to curtail capital either.

www.businessinsider.com

Wall Street has always been progressives' 'Big Bad.' But a new generation in the finance industry is starting to sound more like allies than enemies.

Instead of fighting over government spending, taxes, and income redistribution, a new Wall Street generation agrees with America's political left.

For as long as the current day American left has been around, it has had a very clear Big Bad: Wall Street.

From the initial eruption of Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti Park in 2011 through Sen. Bernie Sanders' two presidential primary runs, the left has been animated by animus toward an ever more expansive and all-powerful financial sector. Wall Street, according to this narrative, is the enforcer of the neoliberal orthodoxy that is dedicated to austere budgets, punishing labor discipline, and supplicancy toward the market.

Yet over the past decade — and especially since the pandemic cratered the global economy — a funny thing has happened within the world of Big Money: a small but growing number of finance professionals have begun talking like leftists.

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Driving this huge shift on Wall Street is a fundamental reckoning with the failures of the past few decades of macroeconomic policy in the US.

For decades, mainstream Republicans and Democrats alike have sworn fealty to neoclassical economics. The neoclassical orthodoxy mandated public spending cuts to reduce deficits, rollbacks of labor protections, and ever greater freedom to move capital across international borders and into voguish new financial products.

This was all done in the name of conquering the rampant inflation of the 1960s and 1970s and thus restoring investor confidence, leading to more innovation, jobs, and economic growth. But the fruits of this economic program were soaring income inequality, repeated financial bubbles, slowing employment and wage growth, and rising costs of healthcare, housing and education. Investors, meanwhile, mostly haven't put their returns back into job-creating businesses: instead, they have parked mind-boggling amounts of cash in speculative financial assets and overseas tax havens.

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Bob Jain, the former Credit Suisse managing director and current CIO of the gargantuan investment firm Millennium Management, has gone even further. The Jain Family Institute bankrolls research to support a fleet of progressive economic ideas such as Universal Basic Income, econometrics beyond GDP that take into account wealth distribution, and means of scoring the economic, social, and political impact of different investments.

JFI also publishes a website, Phenomenal World, focused on cutting edge social science, economics, and political economy with a distinctly left-wing perspective. Phenomenal World runs essays like one from July on the way the global dollar system buttresses American empire — the kind of thing one might expect to see published by socialist magazine Jacobin, not a hedge fund guy's personal think tank.

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One prominent figure in the left wing finance discourse, Alex Williams, a research analyst at Employ America who tweets as @tragicbios, said he has been in dialogue with more finance professionals than academic economists. Despite the industry's reputation, Williams has not been surprised that post-Keynesian economics has found a following among people who actually work on Wall Street, explaining that "the closer you get to the actual machinery, the more it matters your conceptual frame is right."

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Unprompted, several who spoke for this story brought up Kalecki's famous essay, "Political Aspects of Full Employment," which argued that the owners of capital would prefer to sacrifice growing profits stemming from increased consumer purchasing power in order to maintain their position atop the social hierarchy and discipline among their workers, increasing the elites' slice of the economic pie rather than increasing overall output.

That's a radical break with recent orthodox economic and financial discourse, which maintained that more business- and investor-friendly policies would ultimately strengthen the economy and increase overall growth, with wealth trickling down to workers in the form of lower consumer costs and more jobs.

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Even more concretely, these new-thinking finance professionals are taking their ideas directly to the politicians who share their philosophy. Sanaullah doesn't just trade on the framework: he has worked on Ocasio-Cortez's campaigns and written fiscal policy memos for her office.

Kalecki was a Marxist who independently developed an economic theory/model that overlapped with a lot of Keynes at roughly the same time. A lot of "Post-Keynesian" economics (including MMT) is really more Kaleckian than Keynesian.
 
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