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I think a lot of people just have it in there minds that some technology solution is gonna come along and make climate change go away
Yeah, and I mean that's very common in the discourse so you can see how people think that, right? You hear all the time about magic amoebas that will eat all the plastic in the ocean. Which, that technology is certainly important but it's basically meaningless without confronting why there's all that plastic in the ocean in the first place.
True. That's why I'm far more pissed off at the generational nonchalant attitude by America in this space. The year 1988 sticks out in my head for a large reason:
Global Warming Fact: More than Half of All Industrial CO2 Pollution Has Been Emitted Since 1988
By the end of this year, more than half of all industrial emissions of carbon dioxide since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution will have been released since 1988 — the year it became widely known that these emissions are warming the climate. I recently learned this startling fact from my colleag
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Yet, the richest and most powerful country in the world during these 30 years still barely gives climate change any play? Most of that poison that's been superheating the Arctic and fueling these wildfires, famines, and flooding came from good ol USA, which just adds insult to injury.
We can't even really get climate change the time it needs in a 2020 Dem debate, and that's after all we've seen and learned. All of a sudden that whole "believe in science, listen to science" falls by the wayside when it comes to climate change and what we need to do in a very short time frame.
So we just ignore it as much as you can, and when you can't and need the plebs to get off your back - you throw up some bullshit multi-decade plans and wishes that you have no intention of following. That isn't so much a dig at Biden liberals as it is at the entire world. Barely anyone is accomplishing their already out-of-date plans.
There was a thread, and the response was either one of these two for the most part:
- Technology/capitalism will find a solution
- Who cares if the environment get destroyed/a lot of people die?
Which is funny because one of the reasons we broke the planet is because of our thirst for "technology".
It's very much like when liberals explain that the problems are occurring because we've not been liberal enough lmao
This happens I think because liberals think "progressive and forward thinking = liberal," especially American liberals. Of course, if you say things like America is an imperialist force of evil around the world, those same liberals will say "well, whatcha gonna do, we'll always have war." I've said it many times but liberals think their ideology is just "being a good person," unaware that their actual ideology is to perpetuate capitalism, imperialism, and hierarchies, but with the set dressing of "liberty" and "equality."
I waver between grill-pill and highway to hell doomerism on an hourly basis with like 5 minutes of optimism in between.
As the classic song goes:
I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
...
I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
As long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
...
I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Yeah, something like that. These days I'm not even interested in understanding how they think. They're just scientifically wrong and while debates are nice and all, at some point you either acknowledge reality, or it will bite you in the ass.
I'm sometimes genuinely baffled at how much they can deny reality. It's actually kind of impressive. You'd think a normally formed brain would at least let slip some kind of reality into their egoistic-warped mind. I mean it doesn't even make sense. They must be utterly stupid, there's no other logical explanation. They WILL suffer, and so will their children. How the fuck can they imagine that they'll be saved because they've "behaved like good persons"? I mean I get that we have biases and all, and that thinking against oneself is hard. Fuck do I know that firsthand very much myself. But they're like a driver running into a wall and thinking "if I accelerate fast enough, I'll plow through it!"
No dude, you'll die even if parts of the car may end up on the other side of the wall.
Historical materialism for the win comrade.
I don't think they're "stupid" so much as they have been captured by the culture of liberalism and thinking about the harsh truth of the future is either too much to bear or something they can file away as "it'll happen after I die," or they're wealthy enough to avoid the worst of it. It's a series of rationalizations. They have utter faith in the systems in place.
If you really pressed them though I think they'd admit that we're screwed under capitalism. My dad is a fairly left-wing liberal (he always tried to look out for labor at his job, and hey, he voted for Bernie!) who will admit when discussing stuff that my generation is probably screwed, yet still tries to push for me to have a "normal" career, because... what else can he do? His generation utterly failed and he surely knows that.
A lot of posters here have the money to not care about these things, is all I'll say.
Couldn't be bothered to watch that debate, tuned in for a minute cus someone was streaming it on discord and decided I'd rather huff paint.
Liberals can't react appropriately to climate change because the free market cannot react with an appropriate level of response. A system that functions on endless growth and overconsumption cannot handle the kind of contraction and upheaval and retraining and investment we probably need to at least slow climate change. Right? That's why Biden and the Dem establishment oppose the Green New Deal. It's just too costly in the short term. Of course killing/displacing hundreds of millions in flooding, starvation, disease, war, as a result of climate change over the next century will be even more costly, but free market capitalism as it exists in the West seems to me to be ill-equipped for long-term planning. It isn't able to look beyond the next couple of quarters.
Or maybe they believe that Papa Musk will save us all with some miraculous new invention? LOL.
The opposition party in the US y'all. The absolute idiocy on display here.
I can't think of a single policy Trump has implemented that Reagan or either of the Bushes wouldn't agree to.
Like yeah the outright fascism is bad but honestly I don't think it would be that meaningfully different under a "sensible" Republican.
Either way, there's no going back. Good thing all the "moderate" Republicans are Democrat voters now!
This is why I said Biden is the real accelerationist choice.
Like yeah the outright fascism is bad but honestly I don't think it would be that meaningfully different under a "sensible" Republican.
Either way, there's no going back. Good thing all the "moderate" Republicans are Democrat voters now!
This is why I said Biden is the real accelerationist choice.
I know all that. At some point denying reality while being submerged with evidence is pretty damning though.
Also, I know that their system is at fault and that acknowledging that is freaking hard, but no matter how deep you bury you head in the sand, the storm is still coming, and it will rip you apart if you just hope for it to go away by itself because you've been a good boy at school.
I mean, even from a strict capitalistic point of view, they're accelerating capitalism's demise. It's fascinating to watch.
Democrat leaders keep doing this quasi gaslighting nonsense. "Make Republicans Great Again!" might be even more stupid and offensive than "Make America Great Again". It's nostalgia for a party that deserves nothing but contempt, nostalgia for a party that has essentially ruined the world.
We should also force these people to get into specifics instead of empty platitudes and proclamations. When did the hijacking begin? What part in time do you really want the Repubs to return to, Nancy? Hopefully nothing in the past 50 years post Civil Rights Realignment. So we're already talking entire generations of the Repubs being racist terrorizing assholes.
That's decades and decades of increasingly shitty behavior. If we have to go that far back in time to get at least some halfway decent Repubs who did positive things for the country (as a whole and not just for suburban whites and christians), then maybe their party doesn't deserve to exist at all, and the Dems should be doing everything in their power to ensure that.
the hijacking thing is bad, but i'm still dumbfounded by the "it's done so much for our country" thing. literally what the fuck have republicans done other than crush working class people, POC, destroy the environment, and fight endless wars lol. at least give some examples to support your terrible opinions!
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or their records just fuckin suck
leave the dated snarky macro reponses at the door pls and thanks
So, let me ask you this. Do you agree that the United States needs and is better off with a strong Republican Party?
It's an empty statement that isn't worth getting upset over. There's much stronger criticisms and attacks to make, but a statement that reads as "less fascism in the party" isn't worth the time.
SocDem actually
It's not really an empty statement though when it's been a consistent policy, making overtures to Republicans.
maybe as people on the left we don't like mediocre liberals gaslighting us into believing the republican party pre trump was in some way laudable
how far are we going back?
how far are we going back?
It's an empty statement =/= claiming the party was ever good
Pelosi is whitewashing the entire GOP apparatus (again and forever), but calling out her statement is a "bitch eating crackers" meme.
Thanks white people, you're fantastic allies.
What? You didn't appreciate the Democrats aiding the Repubs in fantastic bipartisan things like destabilizing the Middle East, increasing the Drug War, enacting the Patriot Act, starting ICE and DHS, starting border concentration camps, and all the other good times?
The good ol days.
Thanks white people, you're fantastic allies.
What? You didn't appreciate the Democrats aiding the Repubs in fantastic bipartisan things like destabilizing the Middle East, increasing the Drug War, enacting the Patriot Act, starting ICE and DHS, starting border concentration camps, and all the other good times?
The good ol days.
Episode 69: The Rise of the Inexplicable Republican Best Friend
Citations Needed | March 13, 2019 | Transcript
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i don't know what an empty statement is. all statements which make a political claim are ideologically loaded in some way or another, the reality they assert tells us about either what the speaker believes to be true or wants us to believe is true.
or is the defense, "she's just riffing, don't think too hard about it" which is i guess one way to look at it. On the other hand, even if i agreed with that take, i think it's totally nonsensical to consider someone in a position of power seriously and not parse this kind of statement. So it's sort of an either or where either nancy pelosi is just a leader on paper and is making it up as she goes along, or what she chooses to focus on in these critical moments is one tell among many as to her priorties and worldview.
edit: also for the record i was calling pelosi a mediocre lib and not you, i dont know you and wouldn't call you names
Lmao there's really someone doing the crackers meme in here over Pelosi literally saying:
I mean if you said either of those things on ERA, you'd probably be hit with a ban or at a minimum, a huge dogpile.. and rightfully so
This is why people get frustrated when they attempt to apply even the most basic criticisms of the dem party
I mean if you said either of those things on ERA, you'd probably be hit with a ban or at a minimum, a huge dogpile.. and rightfully so
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God. Imagine defending Nancy Pelosi who is one of the richest people in government defending the Republican Party which is actively destroying what little we have of a shit 'democracy' with a crackers meme. What kind of person do you have to be? What the fuck is going on. Grow up. We live in such an infantile society.
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It's hard not take ideological statements such as that from the 3rd most powerful person in government seriously.
WAIT WHAT
Transcript of Pelosi Interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe
Joining us now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California. Madam Speaker, your thoughts on what happened last night and what would you call it?
lmao this is so bad
just nonsense lol
Make America Grand AgainWAIT WHAT
Transcript of Pelosi Interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe
Joining us now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California. Madam Speaker, your thoughts on what happened last night and what would you call it?www.speaker.gov
lmao this is so bad
just nonsense lol
Also
In case we get "what about the full context"
For people who claim they really hate Republicans and want them eugenicisized, they sure do like supporting Republican-loving elected politicians.
I will accept the two party system only if all elections are between clones of Lincoln and Henry Wallace
We need some more Thaddeus Stevens in the Republican Party (and Democratic party let's be honest)
I will accept a one party system but with 2 presidents who are Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar like the NYTimes proposed.
It's team sports. All it boils down to. Fall in line and don't question leadership.
Hey, maybe TheHunter was right about us feuding over sports more than materials and resources...