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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
    1,043

Arkanim94

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I know this isn't a general politics thread, but I just want to say, there's a real question as to which outcome benefits left goals more. Having another 4 years of Trump, fascism emboldened by the lack of any Congressional or electoral oversight, is terrifying. On the other hand, there's a plausible scenario where Biden wins with a moderate VP, who wins in 2024 and 2028, and we have a dozen years of liberal nightmare at the very least. In the past I felt like accelerationism is bullshit, but we have gotten to such an extreme point, where I can't see how voting for Joe Biden furthers socialist goals in either the short or long term. Biden may not support an expansion of the welfare state even if it passes Congress. He is in full opposition to us.

I'm just glad that my vote is meaningless, in a deep blue state, so I can afford to vote for morality and against a racist and rapist. Left voters in swing states have a difficult choice ahead of them.



Daou has had a full redemption arc. Love it!



That's wishful thinking. And like they say, wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first.
Accelerationism is a bogus make up believe, the right taking further control has never helped leftist movements.
 

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I'd like to see what a revitilised left can do when a Democrat is president. We only need Biden give us as much lip service as Obama did Occupy/BLM - but this time we aren't asleep and we have mainstream leaders.
 

Audioboxer

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I'd like to see what a revitilised left can do when a Democrat is president. We only need Biden give us as much lip service as Obama did Occupy/BLM - but this time we aren't asleep and we have mainstream leaders.

I think the main Democratic leaders are exactly the same frauds as those who were uncovered in the Labour being happy the party lost/tanked in order to falsely proclaim left-wing movements can't win.

Even more so in America, you're so-called left-wing party IDOLS, can't even bring themselves to support healthcare for all. Even Obama was axe-grinding last year, or earlier this year, about the "far-left". America is the land of capitalism. It's a poisoned chalice, and most of the "left-wing" leaders are drinking from it too.

And are now showing their asses being liars about metoo support.
 

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I think the main Democratic leaders are exactly the same frauds as those who were uncovered in the Labour being happy the party lost/tanked in order to falsely proclaim left-wing movements can't win.

Even more so in America, you're so-called left-wing party IDOLS, can't even bring themselves to support healthcare for all. Even Obama was axe-grinding last year, or earlier this year, about the "far-left". America is the land of capitalism. It's a poisoned chalice, and most of the "left-wing" leaders are drinking from it too.

And are now showing their asses being liars about metoo support.

The main ones are ghouls, for sure. But there's enough genuine leftists like Omar and AOC that have a national platform and can provide an air of legitimacy for leftist movements during a Biden gov.

Biden isn't going to say "there were fine people on both sides" in the aftermath of a counter nazi protest....
 

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The main ones are ghouls, for sure. But there's enough genuine leftists like Omar and AOC that have a national platform and can provide an air of legitimacy for leftist movements during a Biden gov.

Biden isn't going to say "there were fine people on both sides" in the aftermath of a counter nazi protest....

Omar and AOC will probably get trashed by their own party if they ever try to move into more powerful roles. It's easier to tolerate them just now.
 

Flammable D

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You guys should listen to these two episode of Trashfuture. They're banging.

trashfuturepodcast.podbean.com

Bonus: How Trotsky Got Sp!ked (TRASH-A-FADA Crossover) | TRASHFUTURE

It's TRASH-A-FADA AGAIN. Riley and Alice teamed up with Jamie, Andy, and Sean to bring you a history of Sp!ked - we answer the question: how did everyone's favourite Koch-funded contrarian take machines grow out of an obscure British Trotskyist sect from the 1970s, and the corollary to that...
trashfuturepodcast.podbean.com

Dr Sked's Monster: A Brief History of the Rise and Fall of UKIP (QAnon Anonymous Crossover) | TRASHFUTURE

It's another crossover! Our friends Jake, Travis, and Julian from Q-Anon Anonymous called in to talk about the strange history of the Euroskeptic movement, and why they seem to generate so many bizarre local news headlines. It's a story of how when your organisation gets everything it wished...
I've only caught the UKIP episode so far but them describing Kilroy as Trump but too early blew my mind

And learning that he tried to fight Corbyn
 
Dec 6, 2018
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So I thought some people might find this funny. I'm auditing a class rn for fun on Russian-Japanese Anarchism and I for some reason decided to actually talk to my family about it. My older brother eventually asks me what the difference between left anarchism and contemporary american "don't tread on me" libertarianism is. So either I'm incredibly bad at explaining things or my brother is really on some shit because I kid you not he said that american libertarianism makes more sense in how to organize society.
 

Mekanos

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So I thought some people might find this funny. I'm auditing a class rn for fun on Russian-Japanese Anarchism and I for some reason decided to actually talk to my family about it. My older brother eventually asks me what the difference between left anarchism and contemporary american "don't tread on me" libertarianism is. So either I'm incredibly bad at explaining things or my brother is really on some shit because I kid you not he said that american libertarianism makes more sense in how to organize society.

American libertarianism basically advocates "survival of the fittest." The people with the most resources and power control everything, might makes right. And these powerful people create hierarchies. Left anarchism is about eliminating hierarchies and advocating mutual support networks. People would create communities, not power structures. The goal wouldn't be to acquire power, the goal would be helping each other.

American libertarians want everything to be run by corporations. Left anarchists want everything to be run by people.
 
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American libertarianism basically advocates "survival of the fittest." The people with the most resources and power control everything, might makes right. And these powerful people create hierarchies. Left anarchism is about eliminating hierarchies and advocating mutual support networks. People would create communities, not power structures. The goal wouldn't be to acquire power, the goal would be to helping each other.

American libertarians want everything to be run by corporations. Left anarchists want everything to be run by people.
More or less what I tried to say to them, but whenever I go on using words like "hierarchy" eyes start to glaze over and I get called pretentious :/ then when I tried to rephrase I was just kinda interrupted and told I could talk about it next time

then again this is also me trying to talk to a guy that unironically believes in "bootstrap" rhetoric and whose belief in other peoples emotional health is almost 0
 

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Right anarchy is an oxymoron and not actual anarchy. Authority is still required to enforce private property rights and litigation. Corporations and free market capitalism are inherently hierarchical and oppressive.
 

3bdelilah

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Yeah, right libertarianism is a walking contradiction. Free market ""anarchism"" will inevitably lead to big players swallowing up smaller ones, eradicating that precious competition of theirs, and don't get me started on hierarchy because there'd be plenty. You'd have to be incredibly naive to believe it'd actually work, or secretly an established capitalist ready to further capitalise when all forms of regulations are thrown out of the window.
 

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Happy International Workers' Day - and let us remember not to leave international workers' solidarity behind even when socialism takes new roots in the US
 

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More commie games coming to Switch! Hopefully the Disco Elysium port gets a date.
 

Shy

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More commie games coming to Switch! Hopefully the Disco Elysium port gets a date.

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More commie games coming to Switch! Hopefully the Disco Elysium port gets a date.


review + dev interview - looks like game,s been in dev hell for a year. Going by the twitter account of the game, yeah that's a socialist game dev alright...

variety.com

‘Tonight We Riot’ Delivers Socialist Message to the Nintendo Masses

“Tonight We Riot” is an unapologetically political, socialist game about worker liberation in the face of overpowering capitalism.
 
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gazoinks

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'sup all. I'm sort of a baby leftist driven to political engagement through increasing disenfranchisement over the last few years (yayyyy). Trying figure out how to get involved in local organizing, but will hang around here as well.

I appreciate the resources in the OP, too. I want to get up on theory, but so much of it is DRY and OLD. I appreciate having someone more contemporary resources along with the classics.
 

Shy

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I appreciate the resources in the OP, too. I want to get up on theory, but so much of it is DRY and OLD. I appreciate having someone more contemporary resources along with the classics.
Hopefully these help you.

This first one is Dr Wolf's (Marxist econmist) YT. But that might be a little dry. But is well worth watching
www.youtube.com

Democracy At Work

Democracy at Work is a non-profit 501(c)3 that produces media and live events. Our work analyzes capitalism critically as a systemic problem and advocates fo...

These Tubes might be a little more what you're after
www.youtube.com

Luna oi!

www.youtube.com

NonCompete

Non-Compete is a leftist blog and video series dedicates to the principles of intersectionalist liberation, anarchism, communism, and puppet shows.
www.youtube.com

Empanada Report

Current events, news, and laughs from BadEmpanada

This is Radical Reviewer. He reviews and analyze Radical and Leftist literature and media.
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Radical Reviewer

Hello, I am the Radical Reviewer. I'm an Anarcho-Communist and I review and analyze Radical and Leftist literature and media.
 

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'sup all. I'm sort of a baby leftist driven to political engagement through increasing disenfranchisement over the last few years (yayyyy). Trying figure out how to get involved in local organizing, but will hang around here as well.

I appreciate the resources in the OP, too. I want to get up on theory, but so much of it is DRY and OLD. I appreciate having someone more contemporary resources along with the classics.

checkout Jacobin both the mag and their video teach-ins., and Means TV

some good podcasts/video teach-ins ranging from straight theory to praxis:
whomakescentspodcast.com

Who Makes Cents

A History of Capitalism Podcast
www.youtube.com

Verso Books

Verso Books is the largest independent, radical publishing house in the English-speaking world, publishing one hundred books a year. Visit our website at www...

www.haymarketbooks.org

Haymarket Books

Haymarket Books is a radical, independent, nonprofit book publisher based in Chicago.
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Radicals in Conversation | Pluto Press

Radicals in Conversation is a monthly podcast from Pluto Press, one of the world’s leading independent, radical publishers. Every month we sit down with leading campaigners, authors and academics to bring you in-depth conversations and radical perspectives...

Home


more activist oriented
revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com

Revolutionary Left Radio

Rev Left is a podcast that explores political philosophy, history, science, religion, culture, art, and struggle through a socialist lens. Advancing an analysis and vision for the world rooted in egalitarianism, solidarity, compassion, and human freedom.
 
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Scottt

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'sup all. I'm sort of a baby leftist driven to political engagement through increasing disenfranchisement over the last few years (yayyyy). Trying figure out how to get involved in local organizing, but will hang around here as well.

I appreciate the resources in the OP, too. I want to get up on theory, but so much of it is DRY and OLD. I appreciate having someone more contemporary resources along with the classics.

Have you found any organizations nearby that you're interested in?
 

gazoinks

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Lots of tremendous resources to dive into. Thanks, all! Excited to get into it a bit.
This first one is Dr Wolf's (Marxist econmist) YT. But that might be a little dry. But is well worth watching
www.youtube.com

Democracy At Work

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For sure! I've got nothing against dry or academic material (I'm planning on going to gradschool for linguistics haha), but it's tough as an introduction to a subject when a lot of the stuff that is commonly recommended is really dry and dense.
Have you found any organizations nearby that you're interested in?
So we have a local DSA chapter, although they don't seem super active since the quarantine. Right now most of the activity I've seen is centered on the local tenants' union, who I've reached out to. I'm still researching a bit though.
 

Shy

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For sure! I've got nothing against dry or academic material (I'm planning on going to gradschool for linguistics haha), but it's tough as an introduction to a subject when a lot of the stuff that is commonly recommended is really dry and dense.
No no, i understand. Hope you enjoy the recommendations.

Break a leg at school. 👍
 

ZetaMoon

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currently reading about the DPRK and I must say I'm very impressed and it's completely different from what i've always read
 
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currently reading about the DPRK and I must say I'm very impressed and it's completely different from what i've always read

What have you been reading? I'll let you know, you won't find many (any?) DPRK supporters here. One can certainly make an analysis about their historical performance in various periods and the causes and reasons of their social structure, but I think the facts generally don't fall towards positivity on this one.
 

ZetaMoon

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What have you been reading? I'll let you know, you won't find many (any?) DPRK supporters here. One can certainly make an analysis about their historical performance in various periods and the causes and reasons of their social structure, but I think the facts generally don't fall towards positivity on this one.
Reading mostly basic stuff on Twitter (obvious propaganda but still) and some DPRK-focused websites. I also discovered a lot of Youtube channels that talk about it, there's also some books but I don't think I'll get to that... At least right now. I don't consider myself a supporter in any way but I do find the Juche ideology interesting.
 
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Reading mostly basic stuff on Twitter (obvious propaganda but still) and some DPRK-focused websites. I also discovered a lot of Youtube channels that talk about it, there's also some books but I don't think I'll get to that... At least right now. I don't consider myself a supporter in any way but I do find the Juche ideology interesting.

I'd suggest trying out some socialist criticism as well to ensure you don't just get the to rosier depiction. Here's one focused on structural elements: https://libcom.org/library/north-korea-development-national-capitalism
 

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Yeah, let's not turn tanky, folks.

I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant on the DPRK, and I'm sure the US exaggerates stuff because that's what US do, duh. But no amount of fact-checking will clean the picture enough to make me go "you know, actually, NK is sorta okay, not any worse than us!" Fuck, no, lol.

That's my frustration with a very small subset of radical leftists - in my case, literally 1 person in my FB feed. It's one thing to want to point out US propaganda where it is, and to want to set the record straight on countries like Cuba and whatnot, but at some point it's not worth it, if not counterproductive. It shows a lack of understanding of how the media and the public work. The DPRK is not worth defending, period. You might think you're just rectifying things; you might still dislike NK when all is and done; but to most people, you just sound like a looney who's defending a horrible government and would actually advocate for gulags, and you won't gain anything from that, or win anyone over to our side. We don't need to defend every alternative to the US-style capitalism. There's plenty of shit to call out and things to do without resorting to that.
 

Deffers

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One of my first posts on this thread was about a friend who wouldn't stop saying the Holodomor wasn't a genocide. It's a consistent problem.
 

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I think this documentary offered an interesting alternate perspective on North Korea although I doubt it's as cut and dry as "North Korea is a communist utopia and everything bad there is because of sanctions." It is important to know the role western powers have in making North Korea the country it is today, but ultimately there's such little real knowledge about North Korea's inner workings that I don't think it's terribly meaningful for us to try to weigh what's real and what isn't. I guess the best stance would be, either way, express skepticism on what you read online about North Korea, and whether or not it's propaganda (pro or con!).
 

wandering

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Yo looking for some good reads on the topic of race in the vein of Fanon, would appreciate some reccs
 

Scottt

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Yo looking for some good reads on the topic of race in the vein of Fanon, would appreciate some reccs

I'm not sure if these will be exactly what you're looking for, but I recently read Red Skin, White Masks by Glen Sean Coulthard, which gives a sustained interaction with Fanon. Aime Cesaire's Discourse on Colonialism is near to Fanon, and I think Angela Davis and a lot of others in the 1960s also reflected his writing. Cedric Robinson's Black Marxism is one that focuses on the United States, and Paul Gilroy's The Black Atlantic is very good.