Socialism |OT| The Dawn of a Red Era

[Mekanos]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

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I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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Thank you for sharing this.

I can't promise things will get better soon, but I can promise we will keep fighting for a better future for everyone.

 

[Deleted member 5086]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

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I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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This was heartbreaking to read. I sincerely hope you and all of the people like you are able to get the basic support you need. It shouldn't be something you have to fight for at all.

 

[saenima]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

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I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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Thanks for this post. For real.

 

[fauxtrot]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

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I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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Thank you for posting this. We haven't interacted much but if you ever need someone to talk to, you know where to find me.

 

[Deffers]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

Spoiler

I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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You deserve better, Doop. Your dad deserves better. God willing, that's why we'll get Bernie.

 

[aerie]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

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I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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Just wanted to write at least a little in support, and thank you for sharing. While I have my own health issues, I am fortunate enough to be able to work, but the reasons you are supporting the politics and policies are the same reasons that I have worked with the NDP here in Canada, and try to fight for change where I can, and a better quality of life for everyone. You're doing what you can, and that is amazing.

The ridiculous thing is that there is nothing radical about anything that Bernie is fighting for. Just a basic quality of life for everyone, something that should be a right.

 

[gogosox82]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

Spoiler

I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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Thank you for posting this. It was really heart felt and almost made me cry but thank you.

 

[Deepwater]

I hope at least Deepwater is black.

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It'd be a shame if I wasn't

 

[Deleted member 82]

hey folks, i wrote a long and rambling thing about why i support bernie and why this election has me so scared. it's mostly a plea to the people who aren't decided yet or hostile to bernie, so not the audience of this thread, but i'm too nervous to post it in the bigger primary thread. don't know if i'll ever post on era again, this site just brings me down nowadays. thanks for reading.

CW for mentions of suicide

Spoiler

I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because I'm trans and disabled, and I think Sanders is the candidate who would help people like me the most. My dad is diabetic and in a few years he's going to be out of a job. I don't know how he's going to afford his insulin. Medicare for all would be a lifesaver for me and millions of other people like me and my dad.

I suffer from extreme anxiety (GAD), I have suicidal depression, and I have ADHD. I don't have a job and I'm not in school because of how severe my anxiety is. I can barely go to the doctors office or my therapist because of how bad it is. If Bernie wins the presidency I can start getting the help I need without the financial stress that comes with it. If Biden is the nominee and loses the general, as I strongly believe he would, I have no idea what I would do. I don't think I am capable of holding on in these conditions for much longer. We need actual material change.

It makes me so upset when I see people dismissing and even mocking the concerns of Sanders supporters because there are a few people who take things too far. I know that there are toxic supporters, but please think about where all this anger is coming from. We can't go on like this forever. People are dying.

I can't convince everyone support Sanders, but I know there are empathetic people out there who are still wary of him or on the fence. Please just consider what I'm saying. I'm not trying to guilt you, I just want you to understand.

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So sorry to hear that, Doop. For your sake, your dad's and everyone else's, I hope a miracle happens and Bernie wins this. You can always talk to us regardless.

And don't worry, you're not guilting us into anything. Most people in this thread were always going to support Bernie because he's the farthest left and actually wants to enact some positive change. Well, I can't because I'm European, but I'm voting in spirit, if nothing else.

 

[Mekanos]

The radio silence from DNC figureheads about a Nazi waving a swastika flag at a Sanders rally shows me that this party will only stand up for antisemitism if it means propping up an apartheid state.

Good to know these people aren't my allies.

 

[Wordballoons]

The radio silence from DNC figureheads about a Nazi waving a swastika flag at a Sanders rally shows me that this party will only stand up for antisemitism if it means propping up an apartheid state.

Good to know these people aren't my allies.

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I've been reading a lot of old articles on South Africa in Le Monde - just to see how that unfolded historically. Just google translate them if you can't read French. Tons of stuff on the US (and Canada, UK, etc.) and how they took it. Probably preaching to the choir here, but the US has only ever called out abhorrent ideologies when it stopped being financially expedient for the country to coddle them.

 

[Shy]

What Democrats Still Don’t Get About McGovern

The party took all the wrong lessons from his landslide loss to Richard Nixon in '72.

newrepublic.com

 

[Wordballoons]

The poliera thread feels like shoving my head in a stapler. My god.

 

[Mekanos]

The poliera thread feels like shoving my head in a stapler. My god.

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It's going to be a long election cycle. Don't engage in stuff you know will mentally drain you.

I think that goes for everyone here as well. Living 24/7 in the extremely online leftist mode is draining. Take time to have fun and relax. I should spend some less time online myself.

 

[gogosox82]

What Democrats Still Don’t Get About McGovern

The party took all the wrong lessons from his landslide loss to Richard Nixon in '72.

newrepublic.com

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That was a great read. Thanks for posting.

The poliera thread feels like shoving my head in a stapler. My god.

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I don't even go into poliera anymore honestly. Way too frustrating.

 

[Kayla]

hi first time posting here.

So.. the OT primary thread has been taken over by biden Stans. It's sad to see. I gotta admit I'm pretty depressed that Bernies chances at being the nominee have tanked so severely.

 

[Mekanos]

hi first time posting here.

So.. the OT primary thread has been taken over by biden Stans. It's sad to see. I gotta admit I'm pretty depressed that Bernies chances at being the nominee have tanked so severely.

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It's been tough. Moderate Voltron tanking Bernie in 72 hours is one of those things nobody saw coming. Especially when many of our supposed liberal allies have decided to mock Sanders and his supporters for daring to hope for a win.

Most of us have talked about getting involved locally, joining DSA chapters, etc. But remember to take care of yourself first and foremost. You can always reach out to myself or this thread if you need support.

 

[IpKaiFung]

The liberals aren't your allies. When push comes to shove, they find socialism far too wacky to abandon the status quo.

It's a testament to how powerful the media and school system are, to force people to see only one option.

 

[Mekanos]

The liberals aren't your allies. When push comes to shove, they find socialism far too wacky to abandon the status quo.

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That's what the "supposed" qualifier is there for! But expressing on a forum with a large group of posters who identify as liberals that liberals aren't our allies might be too naughty.

That said, liberals can still be radicalized, and that's crucial. I mean, I doubt any of us went from voting Republican to Bernie Bro.

 

[Deleted member 7130]

Just on this site, the more libs act up in support of capitalist imperialist ghouls, the more people tend to flock to this corner. It's a small sample size, but I like to think it's perhaps part of the process that Marx envisioned...

 

[Takyon]

While other people are posting the same, I should say I've been lurking for ages too. Not an American though.

 

[Deleted member 7130]

While other people are posting the same, I should say I've been lurking for ages too. Not an American though.

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Well the slogan is "Workers of the world, unite!" lol

Would be silly to get hung up on arbitrary state borders and bodies of water. Welcome!

 

[Mekanos]

Just on this site, the more libs act up in support of capitalist imperialist ghouls, the more people tend to flock to this corner. It's a small sample size, but I like to think it's perhaps part of the process that Marx envisioned...

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Eventually people will have to make a choice whether they side with power or not.

 

[Deleted member 82]

What Democrats Still Don’t Get About McGovern

The party took all the wrong lessons from his landslide loss to Richard Nixon in '72.

newrepublic.com

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Woah... The parallels between then, 2016 and now are honestly frightening. From the state of the economy to McGovern's strategy to the Dems' inability to take the right lessons and constant scapegoating of the progressive candidate. I'm not looking forward to the Dems' blaming of Sanders when Biden fails... Or their gloating if he somehow wins.

 

[Shy]

Woah... The parallels between then, 2016 and now are honestly frightening. From the state of the economy to McGovern's strategy to the Dems' inability to take the right lessons and constant scapegoating of the progressive candidate. I'm not looking forward to the Dems' blaming of Sanders when Biden fails... Or their gloating if he somehow wins.

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Yeah. It was a depressing as fuck read. 😭

 

[Mekanos]

My fear with a Biden Presidency is liberals and moderates chiding the left and saying we shouldn't complain or criticize him too harshly because "at least he's better than Trump." If Biden somehow beats Trump, we're holding that motherfucker's feet to the fire.

 

[TwoDelay]

Just on this site, the more libs act up in support of capitalist imperialist ghouls, the more people tend to flock to this corner. It's a small sample size, but I like to think it's perhaps part of the process that Marx envisioned...

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That's why i joined this thread

 

[Seeya]

My fear with a Biden Presidency is liberals and moderates chiding the left and saying we shouldn't complain or criticize him too harshly because "at least he's better than Trump." If Biden somehow beats Trump, we're holding that motherfucker's feet to the fire.

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I think we're seeing an escalation in that kind of rhetoric. I wouldn't be surprised if we here a similar refrain all throughout his first term.

'What, do you WANT Republicans to make gains in The House, Senate, and the next Presidential Election?'

 

[Shy]

My fear with a Biden Presidency is liberals and moderates chiding the left and saying we shouldn't complain or criticize him too harshly because "at least he's better than Trump." If Biden somehow beats Trump, we're holding that motherfucker's feet to the fire.

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Don't forget, blaming Bernie when Creep uncle Joe loses the GE. And he is going to lose, unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 7130]

That's why i joined this thread

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It's actually funny considering a few pages back, we had someone arguing "This is the reason (after other supposed reasons brought up) the left isn't more popular." In the past few months, the size of this community has expanded exponentially. So all that concern and all the unsolicited advice about not being mean chapos just has me going like:

I don't really see a problem . lol

Don't forget, blaming Bernie when Creep uncle Joe loses the GE. And he is going to lose, unfortunately.

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I agree. Biden loses to Trump

 

[Deleted member 60096]

Don't forget, blaming Bernie when Creep uncle Joe loses the GE. And he is going to lose, unfortunately.

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He might be able to beat Trump, but even if he does once the next election comes a smarter fascist will run and win cause Biden won't deal with the festering issues that led to Trump in the first place. And the libs will either love the smarter fascist or blame the left again rather than self reflect

 

[Shy]

He might be able to beat Trump, but even if he does once the next election comes a smarter fascist will run and win cause Biden won't deal with the festering issues that led to Trump in the first place. And the libs will either love the smarter fascist or blame the left again rather than self reflect

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[TwoDelay]

It's actually funny considering a few pages back, we had someone arguing "This is the reason (after other supposed reasons brought up) the left isn't more popular." In the past few months, the size of this community has expanded exponentially. So all that concern and all the unsolicited advice about not being mean chapos just has me going like:

I don't really see a problem . lol


I agree. Biden loses to Trump

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Without Chapo (and the subreddit) I would of never been introduced to socialist ideals but before reading all the well thought out takes in this thread I didn't really identify as one.

 

[Mekanos]

He might be able to beat Trump, but even if he does once the next election comes a smarter fascist will run and win cause Biden won't deal with the festering issues that led to Trump in the first place. And the libs will either love the smarter fascist or blame the left again rather than self reflect

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I'm not convinced Biden will still be President after his first term so the VP would have to run in the 2024 election in that scenario...good luck with that.

 

[Wordballoons]

hi first time posting here.

So.. the OT primary thread has been taken over by biden Stans. It's sad to see. I gotta admit I'm pretty depressed that Bernies chances at being the nominee have tanked so severely.

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They are rabid. It's nuts.

 

[Deleted member 4346]

Just on this site, the more libs act up in support of capitalist imperialist ghouls, the more people tend to flock to this corner. It's a small sample size, but I like to think it's perhaps part of the process that Marx envisioned...

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More than just dialogue here, but also changing material conditions, will continue to drive people to look past liberalism. I know the failures of liberalism under Obama and Bill Clinton radicalized me and baby we haven't seen anything yet! I'd never thought I'd be looking at accelerationism as a legitimate option but as long as baby boomers dominate the vote electoralism is going to keep losing. We probably aren't going to be able to vote our way out of this mess here in the US (edit- not yet at least). I just wonder with climate change if we will be too late?

 

[Equippedwithtowel]

unsoliticed advice from a non-american, don't let bernie be the end of your left journey

take this time to make connections and study, build up you critical understanding of society and reflect on how the ideas of soc/com/anarchism can be better presented

 

[Mekanos]

unsoliticed advice from a non-american, don't let bernie be the end of your left journey

take this time to make connections and study, build up you critical understanding of society and reflect on how the ideas of soc/com/anarchism can be better presented

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I'm just gonna tell everyone they can get free stuff under socialism.

 

[Equippedwithtowel]

shit i never thought of that

need to fire off an email to my supervisor, we're turning the ship around

 

[Pekola]

I think we're seeing an escalation in that kind of rhetoric. I wouldn't be surprised if we here a similar refrain all throughout his first term.

'What, do you WANT Republicans to make gains in The House, Senate, and the next Presidential Election?'

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What I assume is going to happen is:

1) People will begin coalescing around Biden, regardless of his hair sniffing and harassment. Regardless of his racial commentary and his involvement on the demonization of black and brown bodies. The guy who mistook his sister for his wife.

And more importantly, regardless of the initial rejection, you're gonna see people act like they're enthusiastic about him.

2) We'll be seeing a lot of liberal takes about Bernie Bros and how Twitter is both a bubble, but apparently also Bernie's biggest downfall. And how it's all their fault because reasons. How Bernie needed to do a 100% perfect run. Something not required of the other people running.

3) When Bernie supporters decide that democrats are on some bad juju and refuse to abide by that either by not voting, voting downballot or protest voting in a blue state, they'll be policed about it and it'll be "YOU DONT CARE ABOUT X!?" X being whatever issue they can bring up to imply you (personal you) are at fault for the nation turning into a hellscape for the poor and minorities.

4) More people will go bankrupt and die due to not being able to afford medicine. People will still be detained at the border and kept in cages. Foreign policy will still be messed up. The planet will burn.

 

[Seeya]

What I assume is going to happen is:

1) People will begin coalescing around Biden, regardless of his hair sniffing and harassment. Regardless of his racial commentary and his involvement on the demonization of black and brown bodies. The guy who mistook his sister for his wife.

And more importantly, regardless of the initial rejection, you're gonna see people act like they're enthusiastic about him.

2) We'll be seeing a lot of liberal takes about Bernie Bros and how Twitter is both a bubble, but apparently also Bernie's biggest downfall. And how it's all their fault because reasons. How Bernie needed to do a 100% perfect run. Something not required of the other people running.

3) When Bernie supporters decide that democrats are on some bad juju and refuse to abide by that either by not voting, voting downballot or protest voting in a blue state, they'll be policed about it and it'll be "YOU DONT CARE ABOUT X!?" X being whatever issue they can bring up to imply you (personal you) are at fault for the nation turning into a hellscape for the poor and minorities.

4) More people will go bankrupt and die due to not being able to afford medicine. People will still be detained at the border and kept in cages. Foreign policy will still be messed up. The planet will burn.

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But for another shinning glorious moment, Liberals were able to delude themselves with incrementalism so y'know, worth.

 

[Deleted member 6230]

hi first time posting here.

So.. the OT primary thread has been taken over by biden Stans. It's sad to see. I gotta admit I'm pretty depressed that Bernies chances at being the nominee have tanked so severely.

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I put that thread on ignore. didn't feel it was worth engaging anymore.

What I assume is going to happen is:

1) People will begin coalescing around Biden, regardless of his hair sniffing and harassment. Regardless of his racial commentary and his involvement on the demonization of black and brown bodies. The guy who mistook his sister for his wife.

And more importantly, regardless of the initial rejection, you're gonna see people act like they're enthusiastic about him.

2) We'll be seeing a lot of liberal takes about Bernie Bros and how Twitter is both a bubble, but apparently also Bernie's biggest downfall. And how it's all their fault because reasons. How Bernie needed to do a 100% perfect run. Something not required of the other people running.

3) When Bernie supporters decide that democrats are on some bad juju and refuse to abide by that either by not voting, voting downballot or protest voting in a blue state, they'll be policed about it and it'll be "YOU DONT CARE ABOUT X!?" X being whatever issue they can bring up to imply you (personal you) are at fault for the nation turning into a hellscape for the poor and minorities.

4) More people will go bankrupt and die due to not being able to afford medicine. People will still be detained at the border and kept in cages. Foreign policy will still be messed up. The planet will burn.

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welp about half of this shit is happening or already happened

 

[Mekanos]

How do you justify spending until November talking about how great Biden is after everything?

If I'm a moderate/liberal I'm not thinking "fuck yeah, Biden, let's do this," I'm thinking "oh, Christ, we got stuck with Biden?"

His gaffes on the campaign trail will be daily and numerous and there's only so much sand you can stick your head in.

 

[Equippedwithtowel]

How do you justify spending until November talking about how great Biden is after everything?

If I'm a moderate/liberal I'm not thinking "fuck yeah, Biden, let's do this," I'm thinking "oh, Christ, we got stuck with Biden?"

His gaffes on the campaign trail will be daily and numerous and there's only so much sand you can stick your head in.

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that would give the left vindication

some of them are drinking the kool aid but most of the extremely online ones have been blackpilled by wonkery, for them the whole thing is performance

 

[Mekanos]

that would give the left vindication

some of them are drinking the kool aid but most of the extremely online ones have been blackpilled by wonkery, for them the whole thing is performance

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Right, I'm sure a lot of them know deep down that they're fucked, but what else can they do? Criticize the Democratic party?

Good luck getting me to canvass, phonebank, or donate to Biden in the general.

 

[Kayla]

biden has declined significantly when it comes to his mental status. Yes there are manipulated videos spread by alt right, but if you look at his recent gaffes and debate performance from 2012 against Paul Ryan. Uhh how can you not see there has been a decline? Imagine if Bernie made up shit about being arrested in South Africa lmao

 

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How do you justify spending until November talking about how great Biden is after everything?

If I'm a moderate/liberal I'm not thinking "fuck yeah, Biden, let's do this," I'm thinking "oh, Christ, we got stuck with Biden?"

His gaffes on the campaign trail will be daily and numerous and there's only so much sand you can stick your head in.

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The last two Democratic presidents had Biden's moderate politics, largely, but loads of charisma and were younger. Obama in particular benefited from lots of energy among younger and first-time voters. Biden... doesn't have any of that. I can't imagine much enthusiasm but older Rust Belt voters like my grandfather, who was a lifelong Republican until Trump, will probably nod their heads in agreement to what Biden says and show up to vote for him, because they always vote, and Biden doesn't scare them. We will lose many young voters running Biden because there's no enthusiasm, less than 2016 even, but Biden is also more likeable. It's a bet on swinging moderates back to D and taking back FL/MI/PA/WI/etc. If it were anybody but Trump this election would be impossible, but Trump against someone who is safe and not extremely polarizing, I don't know... but I will say that liberals have gone mask off and given up any pretense of progressivism to pin their hopes to "not quite Trump".

I don't have a dog in the fight at this point with Sanders being all but done, so I'm fascinated to watch how the campaigns will unfold in the fall. Trump is a monster but he can be hilarious, knows how to work a crowd, and he's got so much to work with when it comes to Joe Biden. Biden's gaffes are also funny and he'll no doubt challenge the president to push-ups or say that he can beat him up. Whoever wins the left loses, so I'm treating it like entertainment and trying to pretend like it's not deadly serious, that lives and perhaps the future of the planet are not at stake.

Whatever the result, democratic socialists will need to have someone ready for 2024. I think we're going to see a lot of demsoc gains in blue states, and expansion of demsoc policy at the state and local level. Even if voters weren't ready for a President Sanders, his policies were popular. As conditions worsen they will maybe even seem inevitable?

 

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biden has declined significantly when it comes to his mental status. Yes there are manipulated videos spread by alt right, but if you look at his recent gaffes and debate performance from 2012 against Paul Ryan. Uhh how can you not see there has been a decline? Imagine if Bernie made up shit about being arrested in South Africa lmao

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You don't even have to look back to 2012. Look up the 2016 video where he's interviewed about Bernie. Even 4 years ago, he was much sharper than he is now.

Let the rationalizers and the not-so-crypto-Biden fans believe everything's alright and people are just being mean and ableist. They'll understand why it wasn't a good idea to bet on him 2 years into his presidency when he can barely appear on TV for 2 minutes straight and articulate any coherent plan. If he even wins. That's without even going into his abysmal political record and constant pandering to Republicans. At this point I would have even preferred Buttigieg than him, and I hate Buttigieg.

 

[Banglish]

I just posted a thread about Biden and his foreign policy decisions in the early 2000's in the main section. Now I'm being called an alt-right crazy. I have no idea how the fuck this happened. I'm in actual disbelief right now. I didn't even get a chance to say anything other than what was in OP. This board is stupidly ruthless. What I wrote is being 100% twisted and the context is being misunderstood.

"Do not post alt right propaganda sources"
Same video is from "Democracy now" yt channel, so what the fuck?

Worth The Price? Joe Biden and the Launch of the Iraq War

Anyone seen this? I wan't old enough at the time to really know who Joe Biden was during the early 2000's but watching this, you realize that Biden is just as dangerous as Trump in the whitehouse. I had a totally different outlook of him (I think like most people did during Obama's...

www.resetera.com

Do I sound like some sort of crazy alt-right? Fucking hell..
Why is it shocking to people for me to say "I feel Biden/Trump/Hilary/Bloomberg all represent the same class".
Trump is fucking horrible. Putting a bandaid on the problem like Biden? He's more of the same just painted blue.
I just wanna say fuck the main page again for shutting down the thread not letting me reply or any dialogue to be built. Can't have that anymore for some reason. Anyways go Bernie.

 

[Deleted member 82]

I just posted a thread about Biden and his foreign policy decisions in the early 2000's in the main section. Now I'm being called an alt-right crazy. I have no idea how the fuck this happened. I'm in actual disbelief right now. I didn't even get a chance to say anything other than what was in OP. This board is stupidly ruthless. What I wrote is being 100% twisted and the context is being misunderstood.

"Do not post alt right propaganda sources"
Same video is from "Democracy now" yt channel, so what the fuck?

Worth The Price? Joe Biden and the Launch of the Iraq War

Anyone seen this? I wan't old enough at the time to really know who Joe Biden was during the early 2000's but watching this, you realize that Biden is just as dangerous as Trump in the whitehouse. I had a totally different outlook of him (I think like most people did during Obama's...

www.resetera.com

Do I sould like some sort of crazy alt-right? Fucking hell..
Why is it shocking to people for me to say "I feel Biden/Trump/Hilary/Bloomberg all represent the same class".
Trump is fucking horrible. Putting a bandaid on the problem like Biden? He's more of the same just painted blue.

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Wait wait wait. You're saying the thing you posted is from Democracy Now?
1) I can't find it on their channel
2) If it truly is...That' is what counts as an alt-right channel now? WAT