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Anyone mind sharing the Discord link? I need some place to vent if this goes sideways. I've been banned before for speaking my mind about Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden and how I can understand the sentiment of not voting at all, but apparently that's a hot take you can't make because Trump is the ultimate evil and we have to throw all of our support behind the moderate evil.
Not sure which ban you're referring to as none of your infractions are related to Biden or not voting, but just wanted to clarify that saying you'll stay at home and not vote is not against the rules.
Oh, that's a surprise. It was soon after I made a comment about when it comes down to Biden/Bloomberg and Trump, I can understand and even admire skipping out on an election as a working class person. Or it coincided with something else I said then, but aside from "inflammable rhetoric" as the reason it didn't say much.
But anyway, nice to hear that wasn't the reason then. I found it odd if that were the reason.
Yeah, it wouldn't exactly be fair to punish a minority for not wanting to vote for a racist, for example. No worries. Just wanted to clarify. c:
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In the event of a Bernie loss, perhaps demsocs ought to primarily focus on local power building + Congress + direct action/labor disputes. And pray for the best with climate. (And prepare for the worst with climate as well - that's when the local power building will come in handy)
Yes, absolutely. This is something I babble about to anyone who dares listen to me. And then I would love to see scaling collaborations between localities to force broader changes.
Keep your chins up.
AOC and the squad showed progress and the younger generations are with you guys.
I'm of the belief the problem wasn't the message but the one giving the message. And his problems weren't even that insurmountable or big. They just we're enough to hurt.
Keep fighting.
AOC and the squad showed progress and the younger generations are with you guys.
I'm of the belief the problem wasn't the message but the one giving the message. And his problems weren't even that insurmountable or big. They just we're enough to hurt.
Keep fighting.
canadian here, help us build a true leftist movement because i can't stand this neoliberal politician and capitalist colonizer hell
I'm becoming more and more serious the more I think about it. I really don't feel like I have a future in this country. I work in TV/film and Canada has a decently sized industry. If California could become its own country that'd rule given that Bernie is crushing the Californian vote, but alas.
Someone I know has contacts in the Canadian industry. Maybe I'm just a butthurt Bernie Bro but to see voters show up en masse for creepy, half-asleep Uncle Joe when his campaign was dead in the water a week ago is extremely disheartening.
I was really angry at the UK election when Corbyn got smashed. I'm just sad and resigned to the state of this country. Honestly, one of my biggest fears is a Biden win will kill the left here.
I think there is hope thanks to bernie inspiring people like AOC to run for office and she in turn will inspire others. Droplets before a storm so to speak.
Victories have to start small or be in unexpected places. A protest action that brings powerful people to the same level as the working class can make a big difference in the national stage.
Victories have to start small or be in unexpected places. A protest action that brings powerful people to the same level as the working class can make a big difference in the national stage.
My fear was a Bernie loss in the GE would kill the movement here.
Like I said, there's hope. AOC and the new young leaders have a special something that may make all the difference. And when they start running at national level the demographics will be different.
All the olds will be dead! :P
i'm gonna quote myself from 2018 because this week reminded me why talking to americans take me from a friendly demsoc to a accelerationist marxist leninist
Problem is accelerationism doesn't actually work in the US. I know you're half-joking but yeah.
it's easy to feel disheartened - and that's what those in power want. for us to go down the path of least resistance. but we must continue to fight for what's right no matter what for the sake of each other, people we don't know, and future generations
solidarity, friend. and if you do decide to come to canada i wish you all the best
also in this boat. i got almost no hope in electorialism
I'm gonna be more involved in my local DSA chapter. I want to organize. Protest. Get arrested. Fuck it. Make this country afraid of the angry youth. Tired of just sitting around dreading the inevitable economic crash and climate catastrophe.
Whether it's Canada or America, I'll die before I stop fighting for leftism. I won't go quietly into the night.
Whether it's Canada or America, I'll die before I stop fighting for leftism. I won't go quietly into the night.
DSA has a chapter meeting in my area. I'm going. I don't know what to expect, but it's time to practice my new beliefs publicly
To be frank, when the next one hits would be a great time for ya'll to strike and have your revolution.
Just saying.
That was the plan, actually.
There's a 70% chance of recession in the next six months, new study from MIT and State Street finds
Using a scientific method initially developed to measure human skulls, researchers from MIT and State Street say there's a 70% of recession in the next 6 months.
Hey, don't have to tell me twice. I'm an anarchist!
No Gods No Masters 2024
can't speak for everywhere but the solidarity between DSA/local initiatives/the bernie campaign is strong here. the movement will continue long after bernie
in order to be a true leninist, you must pass this test: will you take a hit from the blunt?
Let me be honest with you, TheHunter. I don't necessarily agree with all your posts. In fact, I'm often puzzled by some of your logic given that you identify as a socialist/leftist (or an ally thereof at the very least).
With that out of the way, I could not agree more with what you just said. ✊
One of us is right. I'm more of a warren fix it than burn it down type.
Either the reformers or the revolutionism side. This shit can't go on as is.
My man, the second you suggested going on strike and having a revolution, you threw away your reformist shackles haha. Before long, you'll think Bernie isn't radical enough.
Agreed. Since the last recession no lessons were truly learned, no consequences save for a select few, and we as a global society suffered more and more.
We now have to deal with Brexit, Trump, the widening gap of inequality and wealth horded to the 0.01% and a pandemic. We gave up so much of our basic needs for this rabble, and they can't even fix their own shit right. It will come crashing down by their own hands but they will blame Leftists/Immigrants/LGBT+/ Whatever Scary Thing Comes Up Next rather than take responsibility.
I was worried about the whole "Eat The Rich" rhetoric even so far as 2017, but now I'm starting to feel a little bit peckish.
EDIT - Fight The Power
Oh I'm hedging my bets is all.
One of us is right. I dare not wish to try fascism. I know how that story ends...
And I'm saying you won't be doing that for long. You'll be looking at people like Warren and go "what is this milquetoast liberal crap?" haha.
Very close result by the look of it. Since she's young hopefully she doesn't give up and tries elsewhere as soon as she's able.
Just wanted to say that I feel for you, American friends. I can imagine how crushing a loss would be, having gone through both Brexit and a Labour loss recently over here. My thoughts pretty much went to moving away from here as soon as I could, so I get it. Hopefully it isn't over just yet.
He's out and done exactly that.
I'm just as cynical about it. Liberal democracy is a sham, just theatrics. If revolutionary changes were genuinely possible through just liberal democracy, they'd never have taken the risk of allowing us to vote. They've got a system in place now that's so airtight that whenever a politician dares to fly too close to the sun, they get their wings burned through a variety of ways. Real change is only possible from the grounds up, from mass civil movements and all-out revolutions. As an analogy I always refer to the slavery and segregation of black Americans, and the subsequent rise of the civil rights movements. You really think they'd hand them over their freedom just like that if America happened to vote about it through the ballots? Nah ah.
After a night of doomerism, I wake up today feeling refreshed but a little depressed. America would rather have a senile old man fight for them because of Obama nostalgia. Another four years of Trump is a lovk at that point.
But we're still in this race, somewhat. The important thing I keep telling myself is to not give up.
I'm looking into joining my local DSA but the problem I have is time. I hate being financially unstable.
But we're still in this race, somewhat. The important thing I keep telling myself is to not give up.
I'm looking into joining my local DSA but the problem I have is time. I hate being financially unstable.
I really want to get into work to teach younger people how to be active. Not just voting, but protesting, direct action, etc. The younger generation is, in my experience, incredibly thoughtful, kind, and loving, in ways my generation never was in their teens/early 20s. I want that to continue when they're adults.
The fight goes on.
The fight goes on.
Aye. Mere electoralism has been and continues to be mistaken for real, fundamental change. People take for granted what civil disobedience, disruptive protest, arson, burglary, uprisings, strikes, fights with the cops and mercs, blockades, and even outright civil war has done for us all.
You guys saw this?
thecorrespondent.com
It's by the rising star Rutger Bregman. He called out elites at Davos for trying to save the world via philanthropy instead of investing in social programs.
Looking at Native Americans who got out of poverty via casinos:
This attacks the conservative narrative that only "character" which is incredibly hard to quantify matters.
Poverty isn’t a lack of character. It’s a lack of cash
Our efforts to fight poverty are often based on the misconception that poor people must pull themselves up out of the mire. But the relentless struggle to make ends meet has serious effects on the brain. Poverty is not a lack of character – it’s a lack of cash.
thecorrespondent.com
It's by the rising star Rutger Bregman. He called out elites at Davos for trying to save the world via philanthropy instead of investing in social programs.
Looking at Native Americans who got out of poverty via casinos:
This attacks the conservative narrative that only "character" which is incredibly hard to quantify matters.