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So will DC and PR become states now?
- Thread starter AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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True but that was a non binding referendum with no indication of what changes will need to be made to PR like much heavier taxation to an already very low income populous.
It's been ~70 years but provided you have a simple majority and the area wants it and is prepared, historically it takes 6 months and that was in the preinternet era for the remote territories of Hawaii and Alaska. Wouldn't take DC long at all
It's extra pointless because the US has changed the flag multiple times
If anything, the US should add 4 more states so that we can return to the nice clean look of 1912-1959.
Doesnt PR have a right wing person in charge? Im all for statehood but if yall want it to happen just for elections sake you might not like the end result
It's not a bill actually so it may be exempt to filibuster anyways
Anyone who is purely interested in how it would impact elections can fuck. right. off. That being said, the Democratic party would have every chance to do what it takes to win over the votes of the people of PR. It's just a matter of putting in the effort. It's not like PR is staunchly Republican or anything.
what issues do they need to work out? My understanding is there is a crap ton of corruption there and they basically want the US to get in there and clean some of it up. Also being a state brings a lot more $$$.
if the people of PR want in, that is the only consideration.
Pretty sure they were joking, but anyway for every state admitted to the Union one star is added to the flag: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2014-title4/html/USCODE-2014-title4-chap1-sec2.htm
So yes, if one state is admitted there would be a 51st star added to the flag, if both are admitted there would also be a 52nd star.
Really disappointing to see a couple people try to point out Puerto Rico not necessarily being solid blue as meaningful to whether they deserve representation or not. Even those of you trying to be sly about it. Representation is what matters.
I mean he is a registered Democrat, whatever that means. But yes, he is from what you would call the conservative party here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pierluisi
anyone that goes along with this line of thinking are no better than republicans who don't want DC to be a state. It shouldn't matter.
The mjority of the island is firmly catholic. The youth and young professionals have left the island in droves over the past 10 years leading to their population drop and an older skewing voters. PR being dem leaning is absolutely not a given and something either party will not risk anytime soon.
One thing I wonder is if both D.C. is admitted and then several months later after a forced referendum PR is admitted, will we get a limited edition 51 star flag?
I hope so.
Yup, either way they should join if that's what they want.
Yup, either way they should join if that's what they want.
That's an unfair way to look at it. Those people deserve representation and want it.
It would likely be a toss-up state or Lean-D anyway.
They do, they just voted for this in 2020 election. Majority of people support it.
Puerto Rico Statehood Referendum (2020)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
i think he'd be against statehood for DC and PR because then he'd lose the power he holds now. Perhaps if we can gain some seats in 2022, then we can say fuck off Manchin. I do think its long overdue, though.
I hope all of you are advocating for PR because you legitimately believe they deserve that representation and not because you think they'll be a blue state to help in Congress. Cause you'll be taking a big gamble with that.
PR being a gamble is gonna be a reason neither side of the isle will REALLY wanna go through with it.
PR being a gamble is gonna be a reason neither side of the isle will REALLY wanna go through with it.
Yeah fam, I didn't say they were absolutely democratic leaning. I said Democrats can work to get it done. But sure, let's keep disenfranchising them because they might vote how we don't like :)
Doesn't matter, any US territory where the majority of people vote in favor of statehood should be able to gain it. If not, they should be allowed to declare independence if they desire to do so. Blocking a territory from becoming a state just because it might favor the GOP would make the people blocking it no better than the Republicans who are obviously against DC statehood because it would be an overwhelmingly blue state.
Statehood wouldn't be an overnight thing. By the time we actually had Senators from DC and/or PR the odds are he wouldn't be in the position of power that he's in now.
Bruh. I grew up in PR. My father worked for Rossello senior. I grew up staunchly prostatehood and know every argument. I am allowed to be completely disillusioned with the situation there and our prospects of this happening any time soon.
I don't think the US needs a binding referendum. Congress can act on it now.
and people can't use the excuse of boycotting due to how the question was asked, this time was a simple yes/no.
my understanding is that they (young people) can still
Vote in those elections?
democrats In congress and some republicans want it to happen. Including Joe Biden.
That's fine for you to be disillusioned. But I have a lot of family who live in PR to this day, and it's a deeply important issue to them and to me. You're not the only person this is important to.
I just PR to decide their own fate.
I think being a colony is simply no longer tenable. they need to be a full fledged state, or independent. For their own good, i'd prefer Statehood because we (America) OWE them a lot. But we owe a lot of other minorities sooo... basically whatever they wish.
I think being a colony is simply no longer tenable. they need to be a full fledged state, or independent. For their own good, i'd prefer Statehood because we (America) OWE them a lot. But we owe a lot of other minorities sooo... basically whatever they wish.
Yes and you're right filibuster would apply. However they could amend the filibuster with a simple majority, and they don't even have to do a drastic change they could amend it to just not include statehood votes. I'd imagine they'd change the structure be less dangerous in general tho.
All of them have been non-binding, even the most recent one (2020).
Frankly, all the territories (Guam, Virgin Isles, American Samoa, and so on) should be eligible for statehood and therefore representation in the Senate and House, not just P.R., should they choose to vote for statehood (as opposed to independence or remaining as is, among other options for each determining their own direction) in a binding referendum.
Apparently PR only needs a simple majority. You don't even need Manchin at that point. Both Florida senators support statehood.
and With McConnell no longer in the way. PR actually has a better chance than DC.
and With McConnell no longer in the way. PR actually has a better chance than DC.
If all DC needs is 50 votes in favor, what's stopping it from being brought up for vote, like, three weeks from now? Does anyone have the preparations being worked on already?
(PR seems more complicated, as do the other colonies (and Native American reservations though not necessarily in the same way) so while something definitely needs to change there it seems harder to deal with).
Someone else posted that the star gets added on the following July 4th, so if DC was added in March and PR in August then there'd be a year of 51 star flags.
(PR seems more complicated, as do the other colonies (and Native American reservations though not necessarily in the same way) so while something definitely needs to change there it seems harder to deal with).
Someone else posted that the star gets added on the following July 4th, so if DC was added in March and PR in August then there'd be a year of 51 star flags.
I meant DC. But yeah it's not clear, it's never actually made the senate floor, Obama's trifecta didn't try and the house didn't support it in the 90's. Guess we'll see what happens in a month. Because they'll try to bring it up quick while the fire is hot
It will always be a political game, I don't think Democrats would agree to PR statehood until DC gets it since DC would be overwhelmingly blue
A bill was already submitted in the House. It already passed the House back in June but since it's a new Congress it has to be passed again, which would be a formality https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/51/actions And I guess since we're getting Majority Leader Schumer soon it should also be able to clear the Senate quite quickly.
Totally getting bumped to the top of the list outside of economic aid
Oh so... it's basically a forgone conclusion unless one of the Dems don't want it?
I'm gonna leave what AOC said about P.R. here:
The dismal participation is what concerns me. P.R. needs a better way to gauge their vote. That needs to be fixed first.
D.C. should be a slam dunk. I hope to see it happen soon.
The dismal participation is what concerns me. P.R. needs a better way to gauge their vote. That needs to be fixed first.
D.C. should be a slam dunk. I hope to see it happen soon.
If the 50 Dems + Harris in the Senate are all in favor I don't see what could stop, but I might be missing something.