It's not that.
It's people just coming and being:
"Man that game was trash, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves."
And then a hard exit. It's like oh, okay - thanks for sharing.
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So what is up with the recent flood of anti-enthusiasm topics around here?
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It's not that.
It's people just coming and being:
"Man that game was trash, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves."
And then a hard exit. It's like oh, okay - thanks for sharing.
Well, if it's out of line, feel free to report them for drive-by trolling. We unfortunately can't be everywhere at once, so reports help us out a lot.
I was a huge lurker at the time. And come to think of it, you are right. It's just hard to look back at it fondly with how "loud" the negativity is currently. And that's not even touching on Off-Topic. It's like a negativity aggregate.
It's cyclical OP. Even the games that are universally loved usually are being picked apart only months later. You know you've got a winner on your hands when you'll see topics popping up literal years later about why "X" popular game actually sucks.
Negativity and hot takes just gets more clicks so you also end up noticing them more.
Many gaming personalities have made a living operating with that principal and Era is no different.
I also get the feeling a lot Era users are enjoying discussing games more than actually playing them and you aren't going to start a lot of discussion if you are being positive and have a popular opinion.
Many gaming personalities have made a living operating with that principal and Era is no different.
I also get the feeling a lot Era users are enjoying discussing games more than actually playing them and you aren't going to start a lot of discussion if you are being positive and have a popular opinion.
Wait, this is a recent thing? In what universe?
Also being an enthusiast doesn't literally mean being enthusiastic about everything. Enthusiasts like to discuss the merits of the things they're enthusiastic about. That includes criticism as well as praise. Like, I think people who dislike BotW are from another planet but I am nearly always interested in hearing their (wrong) opinions.
I actually think Era is all around more positive than the old place due to our off-topic being a lot less intense than Gaf's pre-exodus(let alone the dumpster fire it currently is). Gaming side is same as it ever was.
Also being an enthusiast doesn't literally mean being enthusiastic about everything. Enthusiasts like to discuss the merits of the things they're enthusiastic about. That includes criticism as well as praise. Like, I think people who dislike BotW are from another planet but I am nearly always interested in hearing their (wrong) opinions.
I actually think Era is all around more positive than the old place due to our off-topic being a lot less intense than Gaf's pre-exodus(let alone the dumpster fire it currently is). Gaming side is same as it ever was.
I agree, but for whatever reason I'm in the extreme minority on that and people get weirdly defensive about being called out on it for being so quick to go on the attack on the most insignificant little thing they don't like. It's not just here, of course, it's just about everywhere, but that doesn't make it acceptable. Neither am I implying that we should just shower the world with nothing but praise, but threads like the kind you listed as examples are particularly exemplary of a certain distilled hyperbole that people seem strangely obsessed with to the point of invading threads full of people who actually enjoy a game just to make driveby comments about how that community is wrong for it. And not on a moral level the vast majority of the time either, usually it's something ridiculously petty to where there's absolutely no harm whatsoever in just letting people enjoy things.
en.wikipedia.org
Which is an extra bundle of toxic discourse that's mostly just used to defend behavior that shouldn't logically be defensible. Of course someone has a right to an opinion, that doesn't mean there isn't a point in calling them out for expressing that opinion in an obnoxious manner. It seems like every time someone makes a thread or post calling out this type of community misbehavior they're immediately met with "But you're complaining about complaining! HA! GOTCHA!" when that's not the. . .point.
It's not the complaining in and of itself, it's the rhetoric.
It's obnoxious rhetoric. Every internet community likes to pride themselves on being "less awful" than every other internet community, but if you suggest that any one of them improve their rhetoric even slightly it's a cardinal sin. Maybe for once a community could take a step back and like, not be like that.
I mean, this just sounds like
I'm entitled to my opinion - Wikipedia
Which is an extra bundle of toxic discourse that's mostly just used to defend behavior that shouldn't logically be defensible. Of course someone has a right to an opinion, that doesn't mean there isn't a point in calling them out for expressing that opinion in an obnoxious manner. It seems like every time someone makes a thread or post calling out this type of community misbehavior they're immediately met with "But you're complaining about complaining! HA! GOTCHA!" when that's not the. . .point.
It's not the complaining in and of itself, it's the rhetoric.
It's obnoxious rhetoric. Every internet community likes to pride themselves on being "less awful" than every other internet community, but if you suggest that any one of them improve their rhetoric even slightly it's a cardinal sin. Maybe for once a community could take a step back and like, not be like that.
It's not a recent thing whatsoever, but the internet has amplified the attention-getting power of negativity a thousand-fold.
I think it's a valid concern from these users. At the end of the day, enthusiast or not our days have 24 hours.
And there are just too many games being released these days, besides playing games on day one you'll get the worst experience for sure.
And there are just too many games being released these days, besides playing games on day one you'll get the worst experience for sure.
A reminder, websites like youtube literally reward people for being cynical, jaded, and angry as a default "personality."
Speaking personally, I would think that some that post on these boards only post when there is a break or lull in their gaming habits. When gaming, I don't spend much time on the message boards.
Sometimes, burnout brings one to the boards to share their experience. Generally comes with the territory of being an aging gamer as well.
This does not include outright toxic topics like hating on games or players, which is a whole different kettle of fish.
But I've been here since october 2017 and the entire atmosphere of the site was different back then
Whenever I'm negative on the internet, I get more interaction than when I'm positive. Saying I don't like thing gets me more engagement than saying I like thing. It's just how it is now, the internet is rigged to being negative. It's a problem outside of this board; being negative gives you more validation.
My most quoted post the last 24 hours is me saying "I don't like thing". My posts practically doesn't exist on this board if I'm being positive.
My most quoted post the last 24 hours is me saying "I don't like thing". My posts practically doesn't exist on this board if I'm being positive.
People on an enthusiast forum are gonna share their opinions, good or bad. Being critical of things, even those you like, is important in discovering how you truly feel about something and is a fun creative exercise. Asking for everyone to just be positive all the time is basically wanting to read a bunch of ad copy from companies making games.
Besides, it can be maddening to feel like you're the only person in the world who doesn't like something and it feels good to share that and find others with a similar experience, as well as hearing from those you'd disagree with.
Besides, it can be maddening to feel like you're the only person in the world who doesn't like something and it feels good to share that and find others with a similar experience, as well as hearing from those you'd disagree with.
If anything being an enthusiast in something means that you're going to be more critical and more easily able to identify flaws/issues.
Why do you think games like Pokemon can get away with producing underwhelming and safe games constantly and sell millions every time? The casual player doesn't really think about it that deeply, on the surface level it's a fun Pokemon game which is good enough. Same as with stuff like FIFA and CoD.
Why do you think games like Pokemon can get away with producing underwhelming and safe games constantly and sell millions every time? The casual player doesn't really think about it that deeply, on the surface level it's a fun Pokemon game which is good enough. Same as with stuff like FIFA and CoD.
Constructive criticism is good. So is just griping about something that frustrates you with friends. I'm still pretty new here, but it's easy to see when complaining falls into one basket or the other.
One problem we have is that we're an echo chamber. We are enthusiastic about the hobby of video games because we like the genre of hobby and care about its success in one way or another. I don't think there's many anti-gamers lurking here. Regardless of opinion or spirit we all have this interest in common. It's easy to bang out a quick reply with the assumptions and bias we all carry.
If we wanted to be impactful with our concerns and gripes, we need to be giving the criticism to developers and makers of games – in a constructive way – but here we are ranting to each other on a video game forum. :p
Remember friends posing follow up posts here (and in general), "Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding. The highest form of knowledge… is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound purpose larger than the self kind of understanding."
One problem we have is that we're an echo chamber. We are enthusiastic about the hobby of video games because we like the genre of hobby and care about its success in one way or another. I don't think there's many anti-gamers lurking here. Regardless of opinion or spirit we all have this interest in common. It's easy to bang out a quick reply with the assumptions and bias we all carry.
If we wanted to be impactful with our concerns and gripes, we need to be giving the criticism to developers and makers of games – in a constructive way – but here we are ranting to each other on a video game forum. :p
Remember friends posing follow up posts here (and in general), "Opinion is really the lowest form of human knowledge. It requires no accountability, no understanding. The highest form of knowledge… is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound purpose larger than the self kind of understanding."
This is a forum to discuss things and thats what theyre doing, discussing what they like and dont like.
If you want to approach it from a more "gaming enthusiasts" POV thats fine, plenty of people do but realize that this hobby elicits strong emotions and that means the pendulum can swing wildly in both directions.
If you want to approach it from a more "gaming enthusiasts" POV thats fine, plenty of people do but realize that this hobby elicits strong emotions and that means the pendulum can swing wildly in both directions.
This. But I guess this is the 2019/2020 Internet, bad news and negativity bring clicks. :(
If people like something they just say they like it and move on but negativity sparks discussion so people just gravitate to that more.
Pretty much this too, it's a problem that exists on the internet in general, but it... kinda feels way worse on here sometimes...
Hey, I do sometimes threads about games I'm liking! Right now my obsessions are Steins;Gates and Persona 4 Golden.
Dying for OP to show me the mandated request or fine print anywhere on the very first words you read clicking on this discussion section that demands your comments always be positive
Someone here definitely needs to take a break and get out of their bubble though, I definitely agree with him on that; he just won't like who it's referring to
Sad to read but I can absolutely relate.
Which to me in a sense makes absolute plausible why it is that when you enjoy this hobby the most is when you're locked in to your games and interacting less on boards and crap. Which is what most gamers do really, playing farming simulator or something and chilling.
One of the problems with the internet has always been garbage in garbage out.
They're good threads here and there that's for sure but I think no ones ever going do something about the content that brings on the clicks. We'd probably have to shut whole thing down lol
We're at the tail end of a generation with little info about the next gen. People are burned out
could be why I find the premise of the OP mind-boggling
what's so bad about a thread asking when a game gets interesting
one time I asked a poster why there were so god damn negative all the time. their reply was "more people respond to me"
It's just for attention. kinda sad, really.
It's just for attention. kinda sad, really.
not the gotcha you think it is.
you need to chill if that's your take from the OP.
So if I say I don't like a thing, I'm telling others they should feel bad liking it?
This is a discussion forum. Which means there are going to be opposing opinions on pretty much everything outside maybe Baby Yoda and Bubsy being a shitty franchise.
I'm sorry this isn't an echo chamber to confirm your positive opinions on whatever you want to talk about.
If people didn't create threads this forum would be dead. Framing everyone who tries to start having a discussion about things on here as narcisisstic is not only a big fucking stretch but also insulting.
Ironically the only one trying to elevate themselves here is you right now. You aren't special just because you aren't making threads lmao.
Well a part of discourse is trying to get people to understand your perspective so yeah I guess people are trying to change's people's minds in some respect.
However there's nothing wrong with that imo. The problem is that a lot of people take it personally offensive and/or view critique and enjoyment as mutually exclusive from one another instead of saying, "You're right, the game's pace can be glacial but I love every second of it." Its "I didnt find the pace of the game glacial at all." Not that either statement is problematic in of itself, but the later one is often utilized to dismiss and hand wave criticism.
I was talking about the Topic at hand. So my post was talking about the threads of moaning and negativity. I was not talking about everyone who makes threads but only those referenced by OP. So um yeah.
