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Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
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People say abolish the EC and I agree but Trump is not the only despot or wannabe dictator that was voted into power.

Hitler won elections in a system that is similar to what germany has today.

Its education I think and a balanced media that calls out facism rigorously.
 

nilbog

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Oct 25, 2017
15,053
What exactly is "someone like Trump"?

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Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
14,239
You need to destroy the republican party.
The will keep trying to find charismatic racist that can sell their amazingly unpopular economic policies, just like they did with Reagan, Bush and now Trump.
The next one probably won't look exactly like Trump, but if we let them keep doing that shit long enough, eventually they'll get someone competent full of fascist in office.
 

Kyuuji

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Nov 8, 2017
32,047
Getting white people to give more of a fuck about people that aren't them would be a healthy start.
 

SecondNature

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Oct 25, 2017
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Education, hold big tech responsible for platforming hate, and fucking do something about christianity/evangelical bullshit
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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We have four years to figure it out... Thirdwaying, going GOP light or going after the deficit will be sureway to something worse
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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For starters, just a thought but mayyyybe the US should stop trying to put people like Trump into power in foreign countries.

Just sayin'
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
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Oct 24, 2017
34,314
Scrap the Constitution and start over with a new one.
Honestly, this is the source.

The Constitution is at the root of many problems people are naming in this thread. The Electoral College cannot be abolished without changing the constitution, for example. Neither can removing the lifetime tenure of SCOTUS justices. But the constitution itself cannot be amended because of the current partisan gridlock.

I'll bet you requirements for being president also derive from the Constitution.

So... what is feasible? Honestly I don't know. I want to agree about education for sure, but there's currently a problem where education is maligned. Anti-intellectualism runs rampant. How do you educate people who treat education like "liberal brainwashing"? How do you counter the massive propaganda networks of the GOP that are Fox News, OAN and the myriad of evangelical churches? Perhaps it can be done in time, and getting rid of Betsy Devos will help, but it's going to be one hell of an uphill battle, and whatever minuscule progress can be done in just 4 years can be erased if the GOP takes power again in 2024.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Funding the USPS and ensuring states continue to provide mail-in ballots, enacting reasonable and safe regulations for social media regarding the spread of misinformation, making election day a national holiday, and above all else abolishing the electoral college (if even ever possible).
 

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Oct 28, 2017
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Honestly, this is the source.

The Constitution is at the root of many problems people are naming in this thread. The Electoral College cannot be abolished without changing the constitution, for example. Neither can removing the lifetime tenure of SCOTUS justices. But the constitution itself cannot be amended because of the current partisan gridlock.

I'll bet you requirements for being president also derive from the Constitution.

So... what is feasible? Honestly I don't know. I want to agree about education for sure, but there's currently a problem where education is maligned. Anti-intellectualism runs rampant. How do you educate people who treat education like "liberal brainwashing"? How do you counter the massive propaganda networks of the GOP that are Fox News, OAN and the myriad of evangelical churches? Perhaps it can be done in time, and getting rid of Betsy Devos will help, but it's going to be one hell of an uphill battle, and whatever minuscule progress can be done in just 4 years can be erased if the GOP takes power again in 2024.
I agree that the constitution should go, but then the question is, who would write the new one? Would the same gridlock not exist?
 

SirNinja

One Winged Slayer
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You know that thing where most of the media finally grew some balls the past couple days and actually stopped giving Trump airtime once he started spouting obvious, disprovable lies?

That. They can do that.

Except this time, they should do it from square one.

Trump should never have been given publicity at all. He was never one to take seriously (see also: his 2000/2012/etc. presidential runs), but the media made him a serious thing, with constant airtime coverage every time he said or did something even remotely untrue or incendiary. It was billions of dollars' worth of free coverage. Don't be fooled about his constant complaints about the media; they were the best thing that ever happened to a man who valued nothing but cameras and ratings.

Stop giving coverage to charlatans. Call out LIES — and do not dance around that word — when you see them. Deplatform fascism, bigotry, racism, etc. at every turn. It does make a difference when you give hatred nowhere to run to.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I mean.. like an executive order.

Anyone running for president must have held a position in politics for a certain length of time (mayor, senator, governor, etc - say 5 years), they must release their taxes and withdraw ownership in any companies (both of which I think are expected but not required so I think Trump didn't do), and they should be bound by law to tell the truth so we don't get any more clown shoes bullshit like with Trump where he tells fucking lies every time he opens his mouth.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
17,819
Adopt the Metric System. The Imperial System, that's the source of all evil, I tell you.
 

FantasyFreak07

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Oct 25, 2017
1,234
We need to hold Fox News accountable for all the lies they spew. Social media needs to institute changes to stop the spread of misinformation.

Dems, as a whole, need to unify and improve their messaging. There's much, much more.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Democrats can finally accept black people, particularly black progressives, as true leaders of the coalition instead of a begrudging ball and chain of a constituency who they trot out to save their asses every four years.
 

eyeball_kid

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Oct 25, 2017
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A main root of the problem is that the framers of the Constitution believed that the press and an informed, educated populace would be a hard heck on despotic behavior. Both have been eroded over the past 20 years by consistent Republican strategy. Fox can pretend to be a news org and it is not illegal for them to do so. Corporate MSM started catering to political sides instead of providing objective journalism, fomenting distrust and hatred and a normalization of spin.

We need Constitutional reform with regards to impeachment procedures, because obviously a complicit Senate allowed a treasonous criminal was allowed to continue holding office, as well as other reforms, but until we address the external checks on the system we risk falling into the same trap, and electing another would-be dictator.
 

SquirrelSr

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Oct 26, 2017
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Pass anti-gerrymandering legislation. Toss out the Citizen's United ruling. Re-enact the Fairness Doctrine. Improve down-ballot outreach.
 

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As long as the EC stands, someone like Trump is bound to be voted into the oval office again. Dude lost popular vote twice and still got 4 years worth of taking a shit on America, its people and its constitution on an hourly basis.

America needs to move on from the EC and additionally make voter registration automatic.
 

winjet81

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Oct 27, 2017
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If there is an age limit to become president then there should also be a minimum years served as an elected official in order to become president.

That way, we have people who are experienced public servants and we don't have all these inexperienced jackasses throwing their hat in the ring every election cycle.

Also make voting mandatory - although there is ZERO chance that republicans would ever allow this.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
10,228
I'm just relieved that Kanye West clown didn't have a bigger effect in the election. Every vote counts and imagine if he could have run on a nation-wide platform. I'm pretty sure there could have been tens of thousands of idiots who vote "for the memes" and we could be telling a different story today.

That shit has to stop.
I think a lot of people in georgia voted for him
 
Jun 10, 2018
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Democrats can finally accept black people, particularly black progressives, as true leaders of the coalition instead of a begrudging ball and chain of a constituency who they trot out to save their asses every four years.
Dems have no vested interest in being apart of black liberation. In fact, to do so would run counter to their desires, as freeing a whole class of people from the shackles of racial economic oppression would in turn mean less money in their wallets.

TBF, the complacency, if not cooperation of the Black Caucus has also been a contributing factor.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
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If there is an age limit to become president then there should also be a minimum years served as an elected official in order to become president.

That way, we have people who are experienced public servants and we don't have all these inexperienced jackasses throwing their hat in the ring every election cycle.
i dont agree to that. Its not bad per se to have someone with fresh eyes come in.
 

Rosur

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Oct 28, 2017
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If there is an age limit to become president then there should also be a minimum years served as an elected official in order to become president.

That way, we have people who are experienced public servants and we don't have all these inexperienced jackasses throwing their hat in the ring every election cycle.

Yep this is what I think at least add in time needed in government (house/ governor/ senate) and was thinking at least two terms (so have to be re-elected at least once before).
 

TacoSupreme

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Jul 26, 2019
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If it helps I'll pay for as many sacrificial goats as my bank account allows.

I'll go into debt for it.
 

Brazil

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Oct 24, 2017
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SĂŁo Paulo, Brazil
Organize around class
Focus on education
Expand voting rights (including Puerto Rico)
Toss the electoral college into a pit, douse it with gasoline and finally summon a new volcano to light it on fire

Democrats can finally accept black people, particularly black progressives, as true leaders of the coalition instead of a begrudging ball and chain of a constituency who they trot out to save their asses every four years.
And this.
 

Deleted member 6230

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Eugenics, ending capitalism, countries working together against dictators, better education, better parenting, yadayada. Humans are dumb, ignorant, selfish creatures that can't see past their own noses most of the time, and that's why shit like this keeps happening, and why we're destroying this planet and actively ruining civilization as we know it. Everything must change before it can get even marginally better. So, yeah, I wouldn't count on it.
Eugenics???
 

HMD

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Oct 26, 2017
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Considering the last two Dem nominees won the popular vote but still lost or almost lost, it's obvious what needs changing.
 

Herne

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Dec 10, 2017
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Curbing the media's ability to spin lies as news would be a good step, if that's at all possible. Here in Ireland they give us the news in monotone and don't offer any opinions, just straight news and that's it. Maybe prevent stations that offer obviously biased news reporting from calling themselves a news station.

That might be a good start. I can imagine the firestorm such an announcement would create, though. But seriously, certain media are responsible for whipping people up into a stupid frenzy and it has to stop.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eugenics, ending capitalism, countries working together against dictators, better education, better parenting, yadayada. Humans are dumb, ignorant, selfish creatures that can't see past their own noses most of the time, and that's why shit like this keeps happening, and why we're destroying this planet and actively ruining civilization as we know it. Everything must change before it can get even marginally better. So, yeah, I wouldn't count on it.
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Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe its the party thats the problem
It would be easier to bar fucking celebrities from being eligible for the most powerful position on the planet than to simply outlaw conservatism, so I'm playing my odds where they're favorable.

Like, holy shit. Holy shit. We just barely survived Trump.
 

Kabuki Waq

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Oct 26, 2017
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Don't let him become a martyr like he is trying to be. Ridicule him at every step. Stop supporting companies that have supported his crew. Make an example of him. Jail time, lies exposed etc
 

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Regulate TV. In the U.K. we have Ofcom and whilst our TV news coverage is far from perfect, I do think it's far far less awful than US news coverage. I think there are even rules around being partisan during an election which would be great for the US.

Again, I really don't want to come off saying the U.K. is the model to follow. But I do think specifically having something like Ofcom in the US would help limit the amount of propaganda. I only wish we had a print press equivalent in the U.K. too.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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Increase the eligibility requirements.

As it stands now, you just basically need to exist until 35.
  • Require a college degree.
  • Require some sort of military/political service.
If it was made more difficult to become president, outside of monetary requirements, I'd be okay with increasing the term limit too.
 
Jun 10, 2018
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Constitutional overhaul is lofty admittedly, so I'll propose more "reasonable" ideas:
- term limits on members of the House and Senate, exceeding no more than 16 years
- cap on financial donations given to political campaigns, by which if that set amount is found to be exceeded via a 3rd party auditor it results in the forfeiture of running and/or immediate removal from office
- passing anti-racist legislation
- forbidding members of government from holding positions in business assets, whether publicly or privately
- expand the criteria of holding office for all elected officials to have attained a graduate-level degree from an accredited institution. Additionally, impose a qualification test to score understanding of law and government, and upon every 4 years it is required to take updated tests in order to remain qualified to hold office (don't know how this would work with the first suggestion)
 

GameAddict411

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Oct 26, 2017
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All the problems in the US it seems is rooted in education. Maybe places around the country especially in conservatives areas have terrible education. This includes subjects such as social studies and history, but it also includes the science courses. It's why a large part of America is completely closed off to science and completely ignorant of how their behavior are fucking minorities. Or even why it's fucked up. More funding in schools should be a priority for dems going forward or else the gap in education will only grow. Also college being inaccessible to many people prevents further growth after high school. So it's not surprising that people who didn't go to college are very conservatives.,
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Regulate TV. In the U.K. we have Ofcom and whilst our TV news coverage is far from perfect, I do think it's far far less awful than US news coverage. I think there are even rules around being partisan during an election which would be great for the US.

Again, I really don't want to come off saying the U.K. is the model to follow. But I do think specifically having something like Ofcom in the US would help limit the amount of propaganda. I only wish we had a print press equivalent in the U.K. too.

Sadly our media is far from what it needs to be, the BBC is failing to hold the government to account and right-wing rags like the Daily Mail and The Sun have poisoned this country's minds, well before Facebook came along.

That being said, looking at how the US media operates changes are needed badly, Fox News is propaganda, pure and simple. The other networks are massively flawed as well, the only pluses being is that they report on real things.

I think the major thing needed worldwide is critical thinking, of course we don't have the time in our day to day lives to look at every single article and it's sources but picking up on BS is a step up. People were convinced that a man who lived in a tower with a gold motif was a working class, self-made success despite inheriting his wealth, and they made him President over a qualified leader.
 

Ivy Veritas

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Jan 5, 2019
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1. Expand Beto's voter registration and get-out-the-vote activities to all red and purple states to improve youth participation. He proved it can be done, but there'll need to be something to keep the young voters engaged once Trump is gone.

2. You're not going to get a constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College. A better answer is to modify the Reapportionment Act of 1929 so that there are more Representatives (and thus more electoral college votes) to better represent the popular vote and the differences in state populations. This doesn't require a constitutional amendment.

3. A new voting rights act to eliminate gerrymandering and all the other nonsense that's been going on. I'm not sure the federal government can actually require states to do vote-by-mail for all registered voters the way Oregon does, but it would be nice if that was implemented by more states.

4. People overwhelmingly like progressive policies when they are presented in isolation, and yet they go on to vote for candidates who are against those policies. Democrats need to get better at messaging those specific policies in bullet point form, and linking them to their candidates. Lots of memes? I don't know the answer, but there's got to be a way to do it. Voters don't need dozens of pages of policy; they need five bullet points they can get behind. (I'm backseat driving here, without any experience in this area myself--I'm sure people are already doing this, but somehow we need to do it better.)

5. Stop using the word "socialist". It doesn't mean anything. Or rather, it has too many different definitions to use it any sort of meaningful way. Since everyone uses it in completely different ways, they're all arguing past each other about something other than the topic they think they're talking about.

6. I don't know what can actually be done at the governmental level about the media, but the media needs to do something itself. Maybe start by pressuring them to call out obvious lies from spokesmen, rather than just printing those lies verbatim, and without comment, in their stupid "let's present both sides equally" paradigm. Maybe don't have talking heads on that you know are going to spew nonsense--it doesn't matter if your other talking heads are arguing against them; you're still giving voice to the nonsense and propagating it.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
10,228
It would be easier to bar fucking celebrities from being eligible for the most powerful position on the planet than to simply outlaw conservatism, so I'm playing my odds where they're favorable.

Like, holy shit. Holy shit. We just barely survived Trump.
and im saying that the requirement to have been in office in whatever capacity may bar good people as well. Who says its going to be celebs only that will be barred?
 

soulmatic

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Oct 27, 2017
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Apart from the focus education about the voting process, accurate bipartisan information on political candidates, restrictions on term limits, and heavy restrictions on corporate donations etc..

Wouldn't a modification to giving an actual point value to the popular vote make sense? Instead of just being an arbitrary value. Keeping the Electoral College to ensure all parts of the country still takes part and has some say while having the Popular vote being a substantial numerical factor.

"In 227 years, the winner of the popular vote has lost the electoral vote only five times."

www.procon.org

Electoral College Pros and Cons - Top 3 Arguments For and Against

Proponents say the Electoral College ensures everyone selects the president. Opponents say it allows only a few states to select the president.

Imagine the "Popular Vote" as having an equivalent to the point value of the highest Electoral State (Currently 55 for California).