Knowing what's going to be said just means the line was perfect and earned.
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"So this is what it feels like" or "I am Iron Man"
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Knowing what's going to be said just means the line was perfect and earned.
I love end game but tony didn't need to sacrifice himself to kill thanos. Once he had the Stones he could have used them in a different way then a snap. His death was also not as consequential to the overall story given the world was left with an army of super heros
Logan's death was far more poetic, far more necessary, and far more of an end.
Logan's death was far more poetic, far more necessary, and far more of an end.
The Russos literally said that they chose that line because it brought everything full circle with the first Iron Man.
Whatever you want to headcanon Tony's diegetic reasoning as, the thing that you're headcanoning around is the indisputable fact that it was put there because he said it in the first Iron Man.
How it should have went down.
T: I am inevitable.
IM: Hi inevitable, I'm Iron Man.
Cut to everybody on the field giggling and Thanos getting embarrassed.
T: I am inevitable.
IM: Hi inevitable, I'm Iron Man.
Cut to everybody on the field giggling and Thanos getting embarrassed.
I thought you were misquoting the line from Rises when I saw the thread title, haha.
And do you mean in terms of filming the movie because that isn't Batman's last line in the movie.
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The thing that makes Logan's final words hurt more is the double meaning. I mean, yeah, you have the whole "here's a two hundred year old guy finally getting to feel death" but the other side of that is he loved but was never loved. His wife was a plant to keep an eye on him and Jean Grey never loved him either. So to see that little girl, crying for him as he died, meant he finally knew what being loved felt like.
With Stark, that final line is defiance. He isn't acknowledging his death, he's finally defeating his demon. His death doesn't actually start to hurt until Pepper is with him, telling him that everyone is going to be fine and he can rest now. Bonus points for Pete apologising yet again, emphasising how this kid never needed an Uncle Ben because he already felt the responsibility and the guilt of not having done enough.
I think what makes Logan work is that it doesn't feel at all like a comic book movie. I'm not even sure if you need to see any X-Men movies before it to understand what's going on, so universal is its story. There's a certain added layer of sadness to the whole movie as well when you consider Days of Future Past is set in 2023. Which means, sometime in the six years between Days of Future Past and Logan, everyone still dies. They just die a different way.
So Logan works on multiple levels, as a movie on its own merits and the finale to a seventeen year long saga.
With Stark, that final line is defiance. He isn't acknowledging his death, he's finally defeating his demon. His death doesn't actually start to hurt until Pepper is with him, telling him that everyone is going to be fine and he can rest now. Bonus points for Pete apologising yet again, emphasising how this kid never needed an Uncle Ben because he already felt the responsibility and the guilt of not having done enough.
I think what makes Logan work is that it doesn't feel at all like a comic book movie. I'm not even sure if you need to see any X-Men movies before it to understand what's going on, so universal is its story. There's a certain added layer of sadness to the whole movie as well when you consider Days of Future Past is set in 2023. Which means, sometime in the six years between Days of Future Past and Logan, everyone still dies. They just die a different way.
So Logan works on multiple levels, as a movie on its own merits and the finale to a seventeen year long saga.
Obviously the line itself is a reference to Iron Man. I didn't say otherwise. I said the character wasn't referencing some fucking press conference from the beginning of his hero career. Because he wasn't. Characters have different motivations than the writers crafting their lines.
This isn't hard. And neither is critical reading. But alas.
Ironman for me. I remember the theater so many people were crying because we got to live with him for so many years. I know we could say the same for Logan but the MCU connected us much more with the characters for me
Tony's a dad now so he can get away with it. Thanos, also a dad, should've challenged him to a cookoff
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"So this is what it feels like" is more relatable to us as mortal viewers and at the same time humanizes a super hero. "I am iron man" embodies who Tony was.
So this is what it feels like is better but thats mostly Logan is more likeable than rich ceo ultra powerful Tony Stark
I don't know that I'd call Logan's badass.
I assume that was what you meant, because the Endgame line was pretty damn emotional, for a ton of people here.
The theater was quiet when Logan died, but people were fucking bawling when that arc reactor wreath floated out onto that lake.
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That's what I think about the notion of motivation in a line so completely devoid of anything but fan service. It's Game of Thrones ass-backwards writing, except they didn't even write backwards, there's just this black hole to headcanon 'motivation' into. It's "We really are the Iron Man of us". It's a giant neon eyeball flashing a 2-frame wink directly at the camera, and the argument that it means something other than "HEY IRON MAN 1" is the critical examination of a fast food commercial.
but alas me bro
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That's what I think about the notion of motivation in a line so completely devoid of anything but fan service. It's Game of Thrones ass-backwards writing, except they didn't even write backwards, there's just this black hole to headcanon 'motivation' into. It's "We really are the Iron Man of us". It's a giant neon eyeball flashing a 2-frame wink directly at the camera, and the argument that it means something other than "HEY IRON MAN 1" is the critical examination of a fast food commercial.
but alas me bro
The weird thing about this is the only person arguing Tony had some deep motivation when he spoke the line is...you.
I think it was just the character being glib and throwing something in the villain's face, something the character routinely did over the course of his life. You think he was reaching back to some moment that happened once years ago, in some effort to wink at the audience he doesn't know is there, as well as the audience around him that wouldn't know what the fuck he's talking about in that current moment.
But yeah, I'm the one trying to ascribe more to the moment than there is.
You're not very bright, are you?
I was born dumb and am secretly not actually literate
Is something I'm more than happy to say to get out of this painfully weird conversation with a sack of potatoes
To me that felt incredibly unearned. Honestly I wasn't too happy with the acting in that scene, which felt incredibly overblown given how Laura and Logan interacted throughout the movie.
Iron Man's death because of the way it's handled after the snap, esspecially with how Pepper took charge and told him they'd be ok.
Admitting to being unable to read properly to get out of this conversation is the first honest thing you've said here. That's growth. Good job.
well hey now, don't sell yourself short after you just said this
then read this
then said this
I dunno what honesty has to do with any of this, but you're welcome to come join me in the muck, brother
The send-off for Wolverine is not really meant to be a triumphant win, so I think the entire tone of that film lends itself to making this moment a bit more impactful. He dies a hero, but in the middle of nowhere, and nobody will know except the people he saved. Iron Man literally caps off a massive superhero battle. Both endings are very comic-booky but one feels like an adult-oriented graphic novel ending and the other is a end of the summer "Cross-over" event ending.
Tell the whole story, chief.
I said Tony wasn't referencing some old moment in his life and you jumped out to declare the directors said the line was a reference to the movie that moment happened in, completely missing that I never argued otherwise.
You did this because you lack reading comprehension skills. It's ok. Many adults do.
Well, it's not ok, and you should do something about it, but it's not the end of the world and you certainly aren't alone.
I didn't even remember the Wolverine line honestly. I think Logan is probably a better movie than Endgame but yeah Iron Man's death was better.
why are you showing so much concern for what the aggressor thinks about the scenario? Tony is the victim but somehow we are supposed to care about the feelings of a tyrant that killed countless people and snapped away half of the universe?
Yeah, this. I like the scene from Logan better, but come on guys lol.
I felt like "I am Iron Man" was a pretty weak and out of place line for that moment against Thanos.
Saying it to someone who actually knows him would be much better and not come off as cheesy.
Saying it to someone who actually knows him would be much better and not come off as cheesy.
The Iron Man line made no sense. It's like they couldn't come up with a killer line for the moment and went with their placeholder.
Basically this.iron man: "i am iron man"
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