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So they seriously ran the Avengers trailer with zero PoC?
- Thread starter SENPAIatLARGE
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Comic book characters have been, for the vast, vast majority of time, perfect white supermodels. Unfortunately it´s like that. And when it comes to women the representation is also super lacking, I bet Widow is only there so they could have a female member for the roster... and shes a spy with zero cool abilities.
Only now that this is changing, with more female representation in comics, games... same for black protagonists. Also throwing Black Panther there wouldn´t make a lot of sense, or Nick Fury, since he is more of a behind the doors superhero. If they indeed had Black Panther it would be better to have Captain Marvel instead of Widow.
Only now that this is changing, with more female representation in comics, games... same for black protagonists. Also throwing Black Panther there wouldn´t make a lot of sense, or Nick Fury, since he is more of a behind the doors superhero. If they indeed had Black Panther it would be better to have Captain Marvel instead of Widow.
Every character needs to be introduced in some way anyway.
Marvel started putting Strange and The Guardians in media long before there movies came out.
MCU inspiration is clear, but it's also not a 1:1 copy hence not Scott but Hank.
So where's Wasp then? She coined the name. She IS the original Avenger.
They could have mixed the things up.
So where's Wasp then? She coined the name. She IS the original Avenger.
They could have mixed the things up.
My mentality going into things like this is to put the story first, use the characters to serve the story not the other way around. Good writing + strong characters that drive the narrative should be priority number 1. EVERYTHING ELSE comes later. And by introducing that specific set of characters, you get your representation, and you get good storybuilding tools:
Black Panther and Storm are married, it would also introduce Wakanda to the game, introduce the X-Men, AND you'd get the PoC + Female representation. Triple whammy.
With Hawkeye you get a whole SHIELD storyline, and assuming it's Black Fury in this one, it would put focus on Fury, Captain Marvel, and Hank Pym (who works for SHIELD).
More like it was already known which heroes would be front and center in the game, so it seems like setting yourself up for disappointment.
Here's something to consider; they definitely mention West Coast Avengers as a part of the set-up for the story...
That means people like James Rhodes Iron Man, Fuse, and America Chavez could potentially be in the game somewhere down the line...I honestly think Kamala has the highest chance of being introduced in the game tbh...
That means people like James Rhodes Iron Man, Fuse, and America Chavez could potentially be in the game somewhere down the line...I honestly think Kamala has the highest chance of being introduced in the game tbh...
I like how Ultimate Alliance 3 manages to be more MCU than this Avengers game and yet has a much wider array of characters
Look at this other Marvel Game.
Now This i'm Looking forward too.
Yeah, for those same people who was Iron Man, Black Panther, Black Widow, Guardians of Galaxy and so many characters before? The majority of them didn't know any of those before and only knows anything when cross media happens with cartoon and movies. It's such a weird complain.
Yup, agreed 100%. Why not start with the characters you want and do the backstories when it makes sense?
This trailer focused heavily on what looks like the first 15 minutes and was mostly story content. Even if they wanted to be super progressive I'm not sure there was much they could have done with the scenario they originally wrote. The game started development well before Black Panther blew up massively which is really when Marvel began to start pushing the new MCU portrayal. Had this game started development this year I imagine diversity would have been a higher priority during development as opposed to the hyper focus on the og mcu avengers.
"You have to understand, they didn't understand they could make money without an all white lineup."
THis lineup is a mix of OG Avengers in comics and movie. Hank Pym is Ant-man, and the token female is Black Widow rather than Wasp
there could be all sorts of reasons, but that doesn't make it a good look.
Not everything has to be MCU related. I'm kinda glad that they went an independent route instead of MCU tied. But man the character models are horrid
Feels like they started with the ORiginal MCU Avengers and will continue to add heroes as they go along. I haven't seen anything to indicate that they are omitting PoC for nefarious reasons.
I thought the conference said all new characters will be free for all regions, so at least we won't have to worry about that.
It's possible that they want to do that many characters, but it looks like they are aiming for most of the characters to play extra differently. Like Iron Man's flying looks kind of like Anthem (just like Anthem was clearly following Iron Man). Probably makes this take extra time.
That said, we didn't really see any continuous gameplay so I'm not sure how much differently they'll actually end up playing from each other lol.
Still quite worried every time an online game says it's going to be satisfying as a single-player with story (hey there Anthem PR...).
The voice cast is at least. They got about half of them back. Kinda weird they didn't get back Cap's VA. I think he's voiced plenty of games before if I remember correctly.
I'm not making an excuse. I was just pointing out that it isn't just the MCU they are copying.
Call me crazy, but maybe, just maybe these starting characters are now so closely linked with the Avengers brand that they felt this was the best direction for their game?
Maybe that's why they plucked to do these characters first? Iconic characters given their prevalence in the movies and general recognition from the movie going public?
They really stuck to the MCU navel to a fault for the reveal. We live in a time where bipedal tree that can only say 4 words is a household name. Even worse is that the designs are really uninspired.
It's...pretty obvious they're drawing from MCU for this roster choice
Black Panther was a "who" to mass audiences until 2014 when Civil War hit. Whether or not somebody is a household name is irrelevant, since you can make them a household name by quality and proximity to characters that are well known, especially if they already have cult popularity.
Yeah. It really feels like something out of ten years ago. They couldn't even put black panther.
I think, ultimately, I'm just sick of the Avengers...
Yeah, they could have made a game with some PoC Avengers, despite the team being historically mostly white guys...
The easiest way to break away from any alienation of the current generation of Avengers "fans" would be to take some kind of opportunity to bring one of the other HUNDREDS of Marvel superhero sorties into the spotlight. I want my damn Spectrum and Blue Marvel and Captain Marvel and Black Panther and Miss America team of minorities +1 white lady to be as popular as these relics are, and the characters are cool enough to BE that...
Kamala Khan's popularity is undeniable, and so is Miles Morales...where tf is a Champions movie or game?...these teams are chock full of people that look like me...
Yeah, they could have made a game with some PoC Avengers, despite the team being historically mostly white guys...
The easiest way to break away from any alienation of the current generation of Avengers "fans" would be to take some kind of opportunity to bring one of the other HUNDREDS of Marvel superhero sorties into the spotlight. I want my damn Spectrum and Blue Marvel and Captain Marvel and Black Panther and Miss America team of minorities +1 white lady to be as popular as these relics are, and the characters are cool enough to BE that...
Kamala Khan's popularity is undeniable, and so is Miles Morales...where tf is a Champions movie or game?...these teams are chock full of people that look like me...
This is a good answer to your question. v
Keep in mind that Marvel Studios is now split from Marvel Entertainment.
Thor, cap, iron man, widow, banner. That 5 out of your 6 OG MCU.
I'm guessing I am missing something because of your response?
Which means you don't have the OG MCU team. And then you have Hank Pym.
While I don't think the final released product will be lacking of POC, especially if the speculation that the narrator is Kamala is correct, one aspect of racism is that it doesn't have to be nefarious. A lot of the time it's just taking the default way because that's the way it's always been.
No they are not. Hank Pym was a founding member of the Avengers in the comics along with Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk. Only person different is Black Widow which is MCU in place of Wasp from the comics.
Cap wasn't even a founding member.
Yeah. Moreover, it's not like they have to keep the OG members the same. It doesn't even need to be an extended team. You can come up with whatever reason you want to explain how this universe's Avengers team is started by any other members. Hell, you can even make it so that the OG members don't exist and the X-Men were the Avengers instead of being...X-Men. You can make up whatever you want -- that's the fun in creating things.
If there's no MCU influence then why are Cap and Black Widow there instead of Wasp and no one?
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Is every thing always about race on here? Does nothing else occupy your time?
It's really not, at all...
Black Panther STILL doesn't have as strong a link to the Avengers brand as the aforementioned members, despite canonically being a member himself (their leader now, a member a long ass time ago). His comment wasn't about general popularity, it was about brand recognition. Black Panther is hugely popular now as a Marvel entity, and was pretty popular amongst Marvel fans prior to the movie as well, but not what someone thinks of when they think "members of the Avengers"...
They can't all be leads. That's the definition of ensemble.
Avengers, ensemble!
Which means they made their own team based on what they wanted to do.