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So the people making fun of Bioshock infinite puzzle just did not get it? ENDING SPOILER
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i really don't think the meaning behind the puzzle is that deep or obtuse and, even worse, i don't think it's particularly interesting
i don't hate infinite (though i haven't played it since launch), but people always trying to find hidden depth or just assuming people didn't get it is tiring. it's possible to get it and still not like it
i don't hate infinite (though i haven't played it since launch), but people always trying to find hidden depth or just assuming people didn't get it is tiring. it's possible to get it and still not like it
I have to wonder if people calling this a puzzle also struggle with using keys on simple locks or replacing toilet paper rolls.
Just posting to say that Infinite was a pretty good game, with a unique atmosphere, that simply went overhype for many people.
The main thing about the alternate timeline stuff is... what does it add?
"There's always a lighthouse, there's always a man!"... You've only made two games and you purposefully included a lighthouse and a male main character in each game. How is this deterministic, these were pretty clearly your decisions.
"There's always a lighthouse, there's always a man!"... You've only made two games and you purposefully included a lighthouse and a male main character in each game. How is this deterministic, these were pretty clearly your decisions.
But you're the one doing brain gymnastics to justify why they picked 76 for the safe combination (it's the number of times Booker slipped on his way to the lighthouse of course)
Even if we assume the Luteces are painfully changing the locking mechanism of the lighthouse every new attempt like children based on the number of times booker is looping history for whatever reason, why is it three bells to begin with? Why not one, or two, or five? What if it took him more than 999 attempts to actually finish the game?
The moment you try to paint a higher meaning to something, you should be ready to accept further scrutiny over it.
I sure didn't forget the Lady Comstock bossfight. Perhaps the worst bossfight I've ever played.
(The final fight was terrible too, at least on anything other than easy difficulty).
No it was important so they could show the oppressed minorities were actually just as bad as the rich white people once they gained power.
Jeez am I the only one who loves Infinite? The story is one of my top gaming stories of all time. I love whenever media does fun alternate realty shit like Infinite did.
I remember people getting stuck with this back when it came out lol.
Who in the world thought that was a puzzle? It's instructions, lol. Infinite had content cut that could have really made it something else, but I still liked it.
Bioshock Infinite disappears so far up it's own ass that it can't even see the lighthouse anymore.
It's neither a bad puzzle nor good foreshadowing.
It's pointless foreshadowing. There is no connection to that sequence at any point in the game. I guarantee you 99,5% of the people that played through the game didn't even think off that puzzle ever again. Good foreshadowing should be something were you go "Ohhh.....OOOH!" once you connect the dots. But even if, and that's a huge if, you somehow remembered the number and put it all together you already had the EXACT same thing in the sequence with the Luteces. Like, it's the same thing. Only more obvious, more fitting and more memorable.
It feels like a relic from maybe an earlier version of the game that somehow stuck around.
It's pointless foreshadowing. There is no connection to that sequence at any point in the game. I guarantee you 99,5% of the people that played through the game didn't even think off that puzzle ever again. Good foreshadowing should be something were you go "Ohhh.....OOOH!" once you connect the dots. But even if, and that's a huge if, you somehow remembered the number and put it all together you already had the EXACT same thing in the sequence with the Luteces. Like, it's the same thing. Only more obvious, more fitting and more memorable.
It feels like a relic from maybe an earlier version of the game that somehow stuck around.
You're not alone. I really don't get why shitting on it is a past time for so many people. It's a fun story about a multiverse. It's like Blake Crouch's Dark Matter - it's not hard sci-fi, it's just supposed to be a ride
I cannot fathom the type of person who would pick up this game and get stuck on the first task the game presents you with.
they probably blew their load with it but if Irrational hadn't shuttered i'm guessing there'd be like 3 or five bioshock games with some variation on that
they were setting it up as their own final fantasy - sequels free of direct contingencies, just some loose mythos to follow. but Infinite didn't sell 10x more than it did or whatever 2k wanted
**see the first page of this thread**
You will be surprised, friend lol
yes, you are the only one who likes one of the best reviewed game of the last gen.
I mean, but this isn't deterministic, it's a purposeful choice.
Just seems so dumb to say "things have to be just so forever because alternate timelines!"
It was all meta commentary about the nature of sequels and how each one has to have certain elements or else they might as well not be in the same series.
But then Bioshock and Irrational died so none of that matters and it's only 2 men and 2 lighthouses.
Nope. One of the greatest games ever.
The Hall of Heroes level I still remember so vividly...
Between this and Dark Souls 2 I really have to wonder what was going on back at the end of last gen.
It's like reviewers scored sequels to beloved games solely on the quality of their predecessors without realizing the new game was a disaster.
The meta commentary is not particularly insightful or interesting though. "The guy holding the gun is male and we decided that lighthouses are cool."
Would have been more interesting if they criticized themselves for putting Plasmids into the game.
I think a lot of people aren't fond of this game because:
1) The game is vastly different to what was originally shown in the trailers to a point where it seems like a Final Fantasy VII Remake-tier 'reboot' went on behind the scenes'
2) Unlike the original's political themes the game uses the very real themes of racism and american exceptionalism as cheap stepping stones to explore its entirely fictional sci-fi meta tale that says very, very little about anything meaningful
3) Within what little there is of the whole race angle the game manages to give us an example of "what would happen if those scary angry black people took over!" in the form of the Vox Populi
Well, not all meta commentary on sequels can be as good as MGS2.
A lot of people tried to find meaning that simply wasn't there. The game's story is just Twilight Zone with nihilism, the main character is supposed to be a shitbag and demonstrate that we are shitbags.
It's silly, it's a videogame story, what would you expect?
LOL Savage. I actually enjoyed the ending of Infinite and how they tied it together, but yeah, it's not a very good game overall.
Based on the responses in this thread it seems like the game is somehow complete shit despite being one of the best reviewed games of last gen
It also has no impact on the story of the game?
The whole idea of "you have done this 122 times before" is just like...okay? Now what? What does that do? How does that reframe the story? Like, there are no themes of repetition or people trying things and again just to arrive at the same conclusion each and every time despite doing things differently. It's just out of nowhere. And it feels like it was shoved in because of the "Would you kindly" scene which was much more a meta commentary on how players just follow objectives without thinking too much about them than some incredible in-world stuff. So I guess maybe they tried to do the same for Infinite and the message was "When you replay the game and choose different power ups it's gonna end the same"? Maybe?
I dunno
I think a lot of people were expecting a story that covers themes of race and American exceptionalism with the same tact as the original did with Libertarianism.
Instead they got a story that amounts to white people running around going "man, sequels to things are crazy."
Can't remember that puzzle.
Could potentially be due to Infinite not exactly being very memorable.
Could potentially be due to Infinite not exactly being very memorable.
I felt the same.
Troy's and Courtnee's performance were incredible and the story was emotional on a level only a few games achieve. It wasn't even all the twists that were sure a nice addition and felt okay, too, but the characters' dynamic between them and the storytelling was just so compelling. Truly a great game within a great franchise.
Yeah, I don't get the hate... It's really weird. When the game came out it had a really positive reception.
Then, about a year after it came out this odd hate started growing around it.
Very strange.
It's a legitimately great game.
I wonder if it's rooted in indignation surrounding the way the studio closed...
There's definitely some of that in Infinite (some of the "choices", like picking which locket design or whatever) but it never really comes together.
It doesn't help that replaying the game is a slog so why bother.
Really not sure if it's a troll or not.
Yes, it's foreshadowing. It's certainly not "a masterclass work in narrative" in any way. Both statements are true.
First game was great, second game had some really interesting narrative elements as well. Third one? It's as if the writers didn't understand what made the previous ones interesting and decided to take shortcuts everywhere. That's not masterful at all.
But hey, I'll admit that the narrative is still better than the gameplay and level design in this one (the opposite of 2).
Basically.
It's foreshadowing, but really badly written. Its main points are ham-fisted. NPCs and environmental storytelling are worthless compared to previous games. The characters are the main focus for obvious reasons but never really go to the point where you really care for them and if you do, it's basically inconsequential in the end.
It's storytelling for people that don't read books but want to feel like they've read a good one at its finest.
edit to clarify: it's not a bad game. It's a terribly disappointing one pushed to heights he didn't really deserve due to the time it released in and overhyped after people getting disappointed by 2.
I played and beat Bioshock Infinite, and I don't remember any of the puzzles or any of this. It's like I completely wiped it from my memory. It was a fun setting to explore and shoot things though. I liked it a lot more than the first Bioshock (unpopular opinion I know).
I think the first game is just as silly and cringey, but I see what you mean. The Vox Populi shit... I mean, I liked that they wanted to show how tragic every revolution ends up being but the execution was super shit now that I look back at it. It's white as fuck for sure.