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So the first openly gay character in the MCU is...(Endgame spoilers)
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I don't get where people think anyone marketed Endgame on there being major LGBTQ rep from. At most, an interviewer asked a question and said question was answered honestly.
As someone who wasn't paying attention to any of the interviews and such, it was a pleasant surprise to see an average Joe speaking so candidly about being gay to Captain fuckin' America.
Obviously we need more gay rep, especially in big blockbusters. But I don't think the answer is to poopoo something that legitimately brings a lot in the community joy. And being happy about it doesn't mean we're accepting scraps. It means we can enjoy what's there while demanding more.
P.S. I'm pan, but do tell me how I'm apparently a fake gay for being mildly happy about something. As if the whole climax of the film isn't built on the concept of giving people bits of what they want.
As someone who wasn't paying attention to any of the interviews and such, it was a pleasant surprise to see an average Joe speaking so candidly about being gay to Captain fuckin' America.
Obviously we need more gay rep, especially in big blockbusters. But I don't think the answer is to poopoo something that legitimately brings a lot in the community joy. And being happy about it doesn't mean we're accepting scraps. It means we can enjoy what's there while demanding more.
P.S. I'm pan, but do tell me how I'm apparently a fake gay for being mildly happy about something. As if the whole climax of the film isn't built on the concept of giving people bits of what they want.
Negasonic Teenaged Warhead and her girlfriend, Yukio, who is one of the X-Men.
I misread fargodog's post. I thought they were saying that everyone in the LGBTQ community is angry at this, implying those who weren't aren't. Not just some. I apologise, I've been burned one too many times online by people implying I'm not actually LGBTQ because of some opinion on media, among other things.
I'll leave my post as is, however, because of my past experience.
Which legacy characters in Marvel's catalog are gay? Are there actually any heavyweights that could make a positive impact, because slotting in a D-tier gay character will also be seen as lip service.
Mostly because her primary relationship in Captain Marvel read as possibly romantic, especially in a period where Don't Ask Don't Tell was in effect. It Captain Marvel was a man it would just be assumed it was a romantic relationship.
As for the core subject of the thread, I don't think you can look at what is being done in comics, and television and not feel like the MCU has been tremendously behind the curve in regards to pretty much every form of representation. Taken by itself the moment in the movie is fine, and it does have value, but when compared to what they even offer with their own TV shows, it feels paltry. Maybe movie 23 is where we will get an explicit queer main character, but after 22 films it is hard not to be cynical.
Why does it have to be a heavy weight character to make positive impact? Guardians of the Galaxy we're some C-list characters that exploded in popularity. Now is probably some of the most recognizable heroes in the world because of the MCU.
Any characters can make an impact if the writing and acting is good. Doesn't really matter if they're a D-tier character or not.
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People like you just prefer to see it your way and hold on to that bitterness. No one, not even the Russo brothers see it as a milestone in representation, no one is patting themselves on the back or saying that this is enough. But that's what you decide to see this is as.
Sad gay man is sad cliche is also sad.
Seriously, can we have actual lgbt representation in these films. Not the standard, oh she/he is gay... But their partner is dead so we don't have to show a kiss or affection or anything.
It's lipservice as usual. Like JK Rowling insisting that Harry Potter universe is super inclusive... But it's all off screen and not in the books or anything canon.
Seriously, can we have actual lgbt representation in these films. Not the standard, oh she/he is gay... But their partner is dead so we don't have to show a kiss or affection or anything.
It's lipservice as usual. Like JK Rowling insisting that Harry Potter universe is super inclusive... But it's all off screen and not in the books or anything canon.
Because if they don't, you wind up with a backlash, or accusation that the writers are tone deaf or are not committed to promoting genuine and compelling diversity beyond aesthetics.
This is outside my personal experience, so I'll try to tread carefully. There's nothing wrong with Marvel deciding to populate their tapestry with d-list lgbt characters, and no doubt, they're probably trying to build a few characters from the ground up. But when Marvel eventually decides to incorporate gay characters into the MCU, the question is whether any of them will be legacy characters within the comic universe. The MCU has done a pretty good job at elevating the stature of some of their lesser known characters into the pop culture stratosphere, so it's possible that they could do the same with a gay c-lister, but I think to some it wouldn't have the same level of profound effect if someone like Professor X or Storm were gay in the MCU.
This is my take on it as a gay man.
The fact that we're making a big deal out of this minor character is telling me being gay isn't quite normal yet.
This was a just a random small character talking about his partner, nothing more, nothing less. We don't need to make a big deal of It by being overly critical of it.
Having said that, the next phase of Marvel films definitely needs to have a few LGBT main characters.
The fact that we're making a big deal out of this minor character is telling me being gay isn't quite normal yet.
This was a just a random small character talking about his partner, nothing more, nothing less. We don't need to make a big deal of It by being overly critical of it.
Having said that, the next phase of Marvel films definitely needs to have a few LGBT main characters.
sorry to say but china did 350million in 5 days for endgame. representation will take backseat to the almighty dollar. fuck disney for even playing with china's rules.
Chalk me up as an lgbtq person who enjoyed the scene. I feel like my perspective's been highlighted in this thread already, so I won't repeat all of that.
I don't think the scene was necessarily great representation in terms of making straight people see me as more normal or anything, but it made me feel welcome and happy in that moment. Representation is about both of those things, so I hope to see more, but I'm still happy with what we got.
I think I look at this issue quite differently than the people who are upset.
I don't think the scene was necessarily great representation in terms of making straight people see me as more normal or anything, but it made me feel welcome and happy in that moment. Representation is about both of those things, so I hope to see more, but I'm still happy with what we got.
I think I look at this issue quite differently than the people who are upset.