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So Microsoft confirmed Xbox One controllers will work on their next gen. Any confirmation PS4 controllers work on PS5?
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Your pipedream scenarios ignore the reality that >95% of games will be multiplatform and cannot be designed around DS5 exclusive features. So not supporting DS4 would be a massive dick move by Sony.
With either DS4 or Xbone working with phones, tablets and stream boxes like Apple TV and Shield, I got a lot of utility out of this gen. I hope manufacturers throw us a bone as the boxes themselves will likely be extremely expensive next gen. Mind you, I can count the number of times I have done couch coop this gen so having multiple controllers is not a huge use case for me anymore.
Sony just needs to handle this the same way they did with the transition from PS1 to PS2.
PS2 could use PS1 controllers to play PS1 games, along with any PS2 games that did not need the specific functionality of the DualShock 2 (pressure sensitive buttons).
Likewise, PS1 could use PS2 DualShock 2 controllers to play PS1 games, but they couldn't use the pressure sensitivity of the buttons.
Of course multiplat games can't use DS5 specific features in a fundamental way.
But if Sony says, as MS has, 'you can use your DS4 to play DS5 games!', in an unqualified way like that, then even exclusive developers will basically throw their hands up and limit themselves in how DS5 features are used. That's not a pipedream scenario, that's just reality. If I was a developer, even working on PS5 only, and the platform holder said that, I would only use the new controller for disposable frills given the expectation that had been set publicly. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure Sony wants that.
They could find a way to communicate compatibility, where possible, more carefully, but it will have to be more carefully than MS has, unless they want to neuter the things they've spent time working on in all cases, and not just for multiplats etc. That's all I'm saying.
No confirmation (although I'm swear I read it in one of the Wired articles somewhere?) but yeah DS4 will be compatible with PS5, I'd put my house on it.
Also, for what it's worth I've had more issues with my Xbox One controllers this Gen than I've had with my DS4's.
Also, for what it's worth I've had more issues with my Xbox One controllers this Gen than I've had with my DS4's.
So what? Xbox announced that their controllers would work long before the Game Awards in December when the X was shown.
Not if they feature something new like the Sixaxis and Dualshock 4 did over their last generation. Seriously this whole backward and forward compatibility stuff is going some places I don't see healthy for progress. If they want to implement some mandatory new tech so be it.
Healthy for progress, really? No amount of haptic feedback or whatever it is you think is considered progress should hinder people from using their previous gen controllers on new consoles. It's up to developers to implement it or not, and everyone buying a new console gets a new controller anyway so the incentive is always there. However, controllers have reached their peak, and sorry to say, but whatever gimmick companies keep adding, most gamers don't care as it doesn't add anything meaningful to the experience.
Yeah which idiot would buy 4 controllers, such a waste of money
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So in your reality, in the best case scenario, were Sony does not allow DS4 to be compatible with PS5, only a fraction of a fraction of PS5 games are going to use DS5 features in essential way anyway.
Is it worth it then to force users to buy controllers again if they need multiple, when they have spare DS4s?
Buying 4 controllers is pretty dumb, especially if they are the same color...Yeah which idiot would buy 4 controllers, such a waste of money
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The only reason I could think of would be bandwidth and latency improvements that are in the xbox one controller vs the 360 controller. Here is a source for the change. I don't know how significant it is but it seems like it could be the reason.
Microsoft decisions have been outstanding. Sony should copy this feature as soon as possible. Controllers are expensive.
Well, I didn't say that. I said they need to find a way to communicate compatibility more carefully than MS so as not to induce developers - exclusive developers, even - to avoid using the new controller's features in significant ways. That doesn't mean 'no compatibility'.
To advertise general compatibility, if that's what is being advocated, would render pointless any additions/changes to the controller IMO. So rightly or wrongly, given Sony has made changes to the controller, I don't expect they'll advertise general forward compatibility for DS4. I think it answers that question. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is debatable - personally I would trade general universal forward compatibility if it means continuing evolution of controllers though, yes.
150m+ plastic controllers ultimately ending up in landfill just for the sake of a multi-button input which will be used by a select few PS5 exclusives eh. Let's hope they're more sensible than that and let you use DS4 wherever possible, for the vast majority of games (and all multi-plats) where it won't matter. There's no technical limitation for that.
DS4 had new features over DS3 and look how well they got implemented in games... barely at all. The reality is the way you're going to see evolution of video game controls is when Sony, MS, Nintendo and key 3rd party publishers sit down together and establish new standards collectively.
I would hope I can use my DualShock 4 since I'm assuming the PS5 controller is the same
I don't want to put my ps1 classic dualshock 4 away for good :(
I don't want to put my ps1 classic dualshock 4 away for good :(
That's all more nuanced than a general compatibility so 👍 If a general compatibility was desired it would be better to have no new controller features at all. But given that they're there, if there's an expectation that people will (potentially) pay more for these, I would hope support in exclusives at least isn't neutered by a general DS4 compatibility policy. Getting decent support for new controller features is hard enough, add that, and you might as well leave them out altogether.
I err on the side of thinking controller evolution has been too conservative. I know I'm in a minority opinion on that. Like - cost considerations aside - I would have preferred if the DS5 had been a more ambitious singular controller for TV and VR play, for example. In that way I don't think we're ready for standardisation at all. I think it would be terrible for Nintendo also. But that's just my opinion.
Not as of yet, but considering we have semi-confirmed backwards compatibility with PS4 as well as the weirdly timed PS4 back button attachment, it looks pretty likely it will.
We have a de facto standard, and in order to push that standard forward you would probably require a cooperation between manufacturers. Unless someone introduces something so disruptive that everybody else will be forced to adapt, but chances are low at this point.
New tech like the six axis, touch pad, or light up bar that was more or less all gimmicky bullshit? No thanks. I'd rather they not get cute and add a touch screen or something stupid that will prevent me from using the controller I already own.
I can't even get a single dualshock4 controller last more than a year or two. Such bad build quality I really hope the dualshock5 is improved in that point
I think it will since they are doing backwards compatibility with PSVR and that means the moves will work on the PS5. If the PS5 controller doesn't have a light bar it will be necessary for PSVR support as well, but that's just speculation.
My perfectly fine PS3 steering wheel did not work on PS4 for some inexplicable bullshit licensing reasons. So I'm not optimistic. We know PSVR will work so presumably so will the camera and then presumably from that also the Moves. So you'd think normal DS4s will as well. There would be a lot of goodwill if they did. Don't fancy buying a £60 extra pad just for that one time my mate comes up to play FIFA once a year.
Here's my prediction on how this whole situation will pan out (see post #54 above for context):
PlayStation 4:
PlayStation 5:
Or, if you want to view this from the perspective of controller compatibility:
PS4 controllers (DualShock 4):
PS5 controllers:
PlayStation 4:
- Can use PS4 controllers for PS4 games.
- Can use PS5 controllers for PS4 games, but cannot use the added extra features of the controller.
PlayStation 5:
- Can use PS4 controllers for PS4 games.
- Can use PS4 controllers for some PS5 games that don't require the added extra features of the PS5 controller.
- Can use PS5 controllers for PS4 games, but cannot use the added extra features of the controller.
- Can use PS5 controllers for PS5 games.
Or, if you want to view this from the perspective of controller compatibility:
PS4 controllers (DualShock 4):
- Can be used to play PS4 games on either PS4 or PS5.
- Can be used to play some PS5 games on PS5.
PS5 controllers:
- Can be used to play PS4 games on either PS4 or PS5.
- Can be used to play PS5 games on PS5.
Yeah which idiot would buy 4 controllers, such a waste of money
I own 4 controllers too, it just seems silly to me to cry about an optional purchase (got black, white, PS1 & the see through plastic)
While it would be nice to use PS4 controllers on PS5 (particularly specialty controllers) I can't see myself ever wanting to use a DS4 controller again unless they really messed something up with the DS5. Better battery life alone should make the DS5 a better controller.
Sony believes in charging you again for their controller even though it will be barely an upgrade. I would be shocked if the new PS controller is some type of revolution. They should give their customers a solid and make them compatible.
I like collecting controllers. For PS4 I have 20 controllers.
10 Dualshocks (4 black, 6 coloured), 2 minicontrollers (wired), 2 turbo/fight controllers (wired), 2 mini arcade sticks, 1 big arcade stick and 3 Moves.
I hope they function on the PS5, but I'll probably go crazy on DS5s as well.