Licence to Kill is my favourite Bond film but Casiino Royale is an easy second, such a good film.
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So I watched Casino Royale last night
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The scene where Vesper is crying in the shower and Bond steps in with her, shirt still on, the water soaking him to the skin, and he sits down next to her and starts gently sucking on her fingertips is fucking BREATHTAKING. Magnificent. Sensational. All-time top ten hall-of-famer sexy movie scene. Movies aren't allowed to be that hot. Irresponsible on the part of the filmmakers.
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Just saw it today after like a decade. Still very good. Forgot how gorgeous the movie is actually. I love the sweeping crowd shots through the cities, the way the camera gets so close and pushes past people. Kinda wish we got more grounded (well relative speaking) blockbuster movies like this one these days.
In order to access the money, they required the account number (which Vesper had) and the passcode, which only Bond knew. (and he wasn't going to tell Le Chifre)
White had leverage over Vesper though, so instead of watching Le Chifre blowing their chances of getting the money by killing Bond, he saved Bond and pressured Vesper to get the password, withdraw the money and hand it over to them. (Vesper indirectly got back at him by leaving Bond a clue that he could trace back to White)
Best Bond movie. QoS is not that bad, Spectre takes the crown of the worst Craig Era Bond film, but on the overall Bond movies, it's just average. This series has high highs like Casino Royale and very low lows like some of the Moore era or Die Another Day.
QoS is best by watching it right after Casino Royale. Miles below, but it really works as a follow up.
QoS is best by watching it right after Casino Royale. Miles below, but it really works as a follow up.
Casino Royale is sooooo good. And it took me years to appreciate it; always felt more like watching a short series with the plot escalating between acts.
Skyfall is a close second; QoS has been climbing the ranks too. It definitely wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.
Skyfall is a close second; QoS has been climbing the ranks too. It definitely wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.
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I agree CR is one of the best Bond movies but one thing that always has bugged me is that the high-stakes game at the casino ends up being Texas hold-em. I understand why but I grew up with Bond playing more exotic games like baccarat. Texas hold-em just seems to mundane to me.
Skyfall is dumb garbage, Spectre is insultingly bad, Quantum had a chance but it's sooooo middling with maybe zero tension.
I was once talking to a teacher about how Casino Royale was my favorite bond movie and his eyes lit up and he told me he was a storyboard artist on that movie, so that was a fun moment
Casino Royale is my favorite Bond movie and I think in my top 5 of all time. It's at least one of my most rewatchable films.
I've always thought of QoS as an epilogue to it, with it taking place after and the short length. I don'tthink it holds up that well on its own though.
Skyfall was good even if the last third dragged a bit for me. This one looked incredible.
Spectre I've only seen once. A dud and mostly inoffensive to me and I understand anyone that didn't like it.
I'm hoping Fukunaga delivers on the next one. I like all his stuff and it would suck for Craig's Bond to go out with a bad film.
I've always thought of QoS as an epilogue to it, with it taking place after and the short length. I don'tthink it holds up that well on its own though.
Skyfall was good even if the last third dragged a bit for me. This one looked incredible.
Spectre I've only seen once. A dud and mostly inoffensive to me and I understand anyone that didn't like it.
I'm hoping Fukunaga delivers on the next one. I like all his stuff and it would suck for Craig's Bond to go out with a bad film.
Quantum is up there for me, too. And I can make the case for it. It's the only Bond movie with any notable character development. (I realize people don't watch Bond for character development, but it was there and it was good.)
That first meeting in the train was one of the best conversations in any Bond movie, period.
FYI Paul Haggis co-wrote the Casino Royale and Quantum alongside usual duo of Neil Purvis and Rover Wade.
And I think that's why we haven't gotten character work anywhere as good since.
And I think that's why we haven't gotten character work anywhere as good since.
Best Bond movie that I don't have any nostalgia for! So it's the best Bond movie
Thinking of the aftermath of that torture scene will haunt me forever.
I still prefer Skyfall to Casino Royale overall by a narrow margin but I will say that despite disliking QoS, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are a far superior pairing of "great movie followed by inferior follow-up" than Skyfall and Spectre which was like going from dinner at a five star restaurant to fighting a New York City subway rat over a slice of day-old pineapple pizza.
I still prefer Skyfall to Casino Royale overall by a narrow margin but I will say that despite disliking QoS, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are a far superior pairing of "great movie followed by inferior follow-up" than Skyfall and Spectre which was like going from dinner at a five star restaurant to fighting a New York City subway rat over a slice of day-old pineapple pizza.
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I've never understood the hate for QoS. I think it's a really good sequel and tonally feels more like CR than any of the subsequent Craig Bond flicks.
The personal growth of Bond is great, welcome even, it's the extremely boring crime part that feels extremely half baked.
You hear so much about Quantum of Solace's shaky cam that you start thinking it's just normal internet exaggeration and it can't be that bad. Then you actually go and rewatch it and you're assaulted with this hyperspeed explosion of vaguely car-reminiscent shots over a soundtrack of roaring engine noises, and then before you can even catch your breath you're thrown into a 100% unintelligible footchase/Cirque du Soleil routine, and you're like "Oh, it actually is that bad".
It's a shame, because they obviously performed some impressive stunts on the set. It's just that you can't see any of them in the movie because the camera work and editing is so shockingly poor. There's one moment of well-captured action in the whole movie and it's Daniel Craig sexily oozing over this wall like a panther:
It's a shame, because they obviously performed some impressive stunts on the set. It's just that you can't see any of them in the movie because the camera work and editing is so shockingly poor. There's one moment of well-captured action in the whole movie and it's Daniel Craig sexily oozing over this wall like a panther:
Daniel Craig began with such a great movie, and then it all just went downhill.
Now I'm wondering if I've seen Skyfall because I don't remember any of the bond movies after Casino Royale being even remotely as good.
Now I'm wondering if I've seen Skyfall because I don't remember any of the bond movies after Casino Royale being even remotely as good.
Take any of Craig's movies, even the worst, and they are still miles better than any of the corny shit it came before Craig's era ( and that includes Brosnan's, which I like a lot)
I haven't ordered them, but Specter has to be in my bottom three.
edit: And I can't guarantee a Craig would make it into my top three (Brosnan definitely wouldn't)
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Skyfall is a gorgeous movie that keeps tripping over its own dick with its "Bond is a blunt instrument in an era of precision" schtick and constant pop-psychoanalyzing dialogue. The script is just aching to be clever but only like one line in five actually lands and the rest is clunky riffing on how Bond must live close to the edge because he shaves with a cutthroat razor. The "villain gets captured on purpose" plot and portrayal of Q as a turbo-typing hacker were already played out at release, too, and they feel incredibly dated now. The fact that it's the second-best Craig movie says more about the dreck they served up for the poor guy's tenure than its quality as a movie.
I'll always hate the part where he lets Berenice Marlohe's character die, too. So cruel in such an un-Bond way.
I'll always hate the part where he lets Berenice Marlohe's character die, too. So cruel in such an un-Bond way.
I love how they handled the ending scene in QOS wrapping up beautifully why Bond does the things he does moving forward and really combines CR and QOS perfectly.
Which between Skyfall & Spectre is the one where Q puts the virus on the MI6 computer?
I had to forget that part during the movie in order to stay in the theatre.
I had to forget that part during the movie in order to stay in the theatre.
Skyfall.
As mentioned, Skyfall is a pretty film to look at. Its plot leaves something to be desired, but the Home Alone setpiece at the end was fun.
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"I never left."
(and yes, CS + QOS have to been seen back-to-back to get the full picture)
Bond's crew is a complete miss in Skyfall. All those characters, especially Q, were incredibly annoying.
The tone of Casino and QoS was so much better. What the hell happened on the next two?
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Outside of the dumb hacking scene and the flaccid play at Moore-esque hijinks with the CGI Komodo dragon, Skyfall is a very good Bond film. If you're a fan of the series the elements that stretch belief are pretty part and parcel with a lot of the movies, many of which have plots that are so poorly delivered to the viewer that it's almost impossible to actually understand what is happening and why (I dare you to tell me what the plot of Octopussy is. Even The Living Daylights, an otherwise pretty great movie, is incredibly hard to decipher). But that's part of the charm of the movies imo. Casino Royale is on another level, but it's on another level compared to pretty much the whole series, so I don't hold that against Craig's run which on the whole has lived up to the standards of the series. I would have like another movie or two that kept the same tone as CR and QoS though before leaping back into stylization and nostalgia.
But I think he didn't attempt to save her not because he was being super cold but because he underestimated Silva's ruthlessness. It's a very Bondian scene to have him engage in a "gentleman's" gambit with the villain only to have the villain cheat. I don't think he expected Silva would just shoot her in cold blood and he was buying time (thought the scene would work a lot better if his gun-fu skills immediately after she's been shot were more sloppy to better explain why he didn't try it while she was alive)
It depends on the interpretation of Bond. It's very much in line with how Bond is depicted in the Casino Royale novel, where he coldly rationalizes Vesper's hypothetical death as a consequence of him trying to get Le Chiffre, and blaming her for it for being stupid enough to get captured.
But I think he didn't attempt to save her not because he was being super cold but because he underestimated Silva's ruthlessness. It's a very Bondian scene to have him engage in a "gentleman's" gambit with the villain only to have the villain cheat. I don't think he expected Silva would just shoot her in cold blood and he was buying time (thought the scene would work a lot better if his gun-fu skills immediately after she's been shot were more sloppy to better explain why he didn't try it while she was alive)
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Aha, I think that actually goes to Casino Royale too though! The end where they finally release the Bond theme after teasing it the entire film is glorious: