I remeber some posts about God of War 2018 like this ("general public won't like the change, ERA is enthusiasm board, also SONYGAF 2.0")
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So... I still see Death Stranding as a flat game
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Bolded the two parts that are objectively wrong based on the available media and official page for the game. As a fan of Kojima's older games I am absolutely excited about the gameplay systems DS will have, too.
We may not know all the mechanics, but several have been shown and even more has been shown in the Japanese version of the latest trailer.
Death Stranding is shaping up be an incredibly atmospheric, sandbox traversal-horror game with trippy sci-fi(and political) themes and one of the most insane death mechanics ever. If that doesn't interest you fair, but calling it "flat" is absolute non-sense.
I predict this will see a similar response in certain internet circles to RDR2 with it's deliberate pacing, sim systems, heavy ambient & environmental storytelling — people will call it slow, boring, a "walking sim", complain about not being able to fast travel everywhere, etc...etc...
I predict this will see a similar response in certain internet circles to RDR2 with it's deliberate pacing, sim systems, heavy ambient & environmental storytelling — people will call it slow, boring, a "walking sim", complain about not being able to fast travel everywhere, etc...etc...
not sure how you can watch the trailer and be completely blank on all these questions
"I don't know everything about this game 5 months before release but feel like I need to make my choice on if I want it now for some reason, and no, I won't even wait for reviews or even previews before stamping my foot because I work full time"
Is empty bad? It seems to be channeling the kind of sensation you might associate with a game by the ICO developers.
OP, you know you don't need to decide your purchase right now, right?
You don't even need to decide before launch. You can just wait and ask what it's about after it releases and people get to play it.
You can also just not buy the game at all if you don't want to.
People are excited simply because what we've seen is intriguing. I'm excited because I would be down for a game with a weird story, atmosphere and tone where you're mostly just wandering a messed up landscape. It sounds like you're not, and instead of processing that healthily like most people would when a product doesn't interest them you're trying to either convince yourself you're wrong, or convince yourself everyone else is.
Everything we've seen about the game is pure marketing. The goal isn't to get you to understand the game, it's just to get you to buy it. Literally none of your worries would matter the minute the game releases. You'd fix your problem by simply buying it or not on day 2 after talking to the people who bought it day 1.
You don't even need to decide before launch. You can just wait and ask what it's about after it releases and people get to play it.
You can also just not buy the game at all if you don't want to.
People are excited simply because what we've seen is intriguing. I'm excited because I would be down for a game with a weird story, atmosphere and tone where you're mostly just wandering a messed up landscape. It sounds like you're not, and instead of processing that healthily like most people would when a product doesn't interest them you're trying to either convince yourself you're wrong, or convince yourself everyone else is.
Everything we've seen about the game is pure marketing. The goal isn't to get you to understand the game, it's just to get you to buy it. Literally none of your worries would matter the minute the game releases. You'd fix your problem by simply buying it or not on day 2 after talking to the people who bought it day 1.
Right. I hope we get a trailer soon that shows every weapon, every enemy type, every story element, every everything. Otherwise it is hard to decide If I should buy this game that releases in 5 month. I hate surprises, that's why I start reading books on the last pages and let people spoil movies to me.
It's a Kojima game, so the narrative is important. Why do you want to know the answers to all those questions before even playing? Would you like to get a movie you're looking forward to spoiled for you?
Besides, it's not like you can't wait for reviews both from users and critics, watch a let's play for a little to figure out if it's for you, etc. or just wait for final thoughts from people that has completed it to know if all the exploration turns out to be worth it in the end. You seem to be overly preoccupied in all fronts, OP. It's ok if you don't buy it at launch.
Besides, it's not like you can't wait for reviews both from users and critics, watch a let's play for a little to figure out if it's for you, etc. or just wait for final thoughts from people that has completed it to know if all the exploration turns out to be worth it in the end. You seem to be overly preoccupied in all fronts, OP. It's ok if you don't buy it at launch.
The unknown is the appeal. Kojima is no longer shackled by 20 years of history, narrative and fan expectations.
By the way, being 28 years old and getting to tired to play game is common as you get older. I'm almost 37 and there are somedays I barely want to watch TV.
By the way, being 28 years old and getting to tired to play game is common as you get older. I'm almost 37 and there are somedays I barely want to watch TV.
I'm a walking encyclopedia of Fist of the North Star, and this is just gasping at straws.
Have people still not read the Playstation website description of the game? It clears up the premise a lot more. https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/death-stranding-ps4/
I also don't think this game is going to be as weird as people think it is. Knowing more about the premise, the babies are the weirdest part, and they are likely meant to be more symbolic than anything else.
I also don't think this game is going to be as weird as people think it is. Knowing more about the premise, the babies are the weirdest part, and they are likely meant to be more symbolic than anything else.
I would feel no hype if this wasn't made by Kojima, because it does look a little bit "flat" (I would say empty) gameplay wise. But it's Hideo Kojima, the guy who never made an actual flat game so...
Probably best to just wait till the game comes out OP.
I think it looks pretty refreshing for a modern AAA game.
I think it looks pretty refreshing for a modern AAA game.
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These are all just post-apocalyptic genre conventions alongside elements from the hero's journey. Most post-apocalyptic fiction will follow their own versions of these narrative elements with their own spin.
Just wait for impressions after the game is out if you don't like any surprises. Yes, people excited for the dev. That's a pretty normal reaction.
I know. My comparison only works in the loosest sense from cherrypicking from different aspect of HNK, from the reboot movies, HNK Zero, etc etc and framing them to my advantage. And I chose HNK because it's seen as a simple enough post apocalypse story that no one ever consider the basic premise as confusing even though it introduces a ton of stuff in the story like Shura, etc later.
My point is that if you look at the structure of what this story's basic premise is supposed to be - it's not all that different from post-apocalytic genre fiction. Heroes journey, etc etc. Also, the introduction of sci-fi techno speak ( minovsky particles, newtype, etc etc ) are so common in stories that the idea of these stuff being hard to comprehend is weird to me.
Its a survival horror mystery adventure game, I get the empty part because of the terrain but I feel like everyone just expected or wants an Uncharted or Horizon Zero dawn type game with constant action. Remember Silent hill or the many other games that dont rely on that and were not criticized for it because it was a different genre. Why do you want this game to be somthing its not, maybe because Kojima is consistent with making unique games for decades so everyone is expecting something cool. If you arent convinced with what you have seen then its clearly not for you if you think the mystery of the game and marketing is a negative and thats oook.
This is exactly why I'm not hyped for this game at all.
I will definitely play it
I gotta tell you its Kojima.
Yes the game is mysterious and features all these hollywood actors but if it werent for him the hype would be less and we wouls probably all be here asking what is this game about.
Names sell and kojima is one of the top videogame developers out here.
Yes the game is mysterious and features all these hollywood actors but if it werent for him the hype would be less and we wouls probably all be here asking what is this game about.
Names sell and kojima is one of the top videogame developers out here.
Some people like Kojima games. He has an eccentric way of designing games and telling stories which is unique in this industry and some people appreciate that. He is one of our industry's few auteur game designers.
With that said, why are you trying to force yourself to like or understand why people are interested in Death Stranding?
It seems to me that you don't appreciate his work which is fine, I'm lukewarm about it as well, but I don't go around asking fans of something I don't care a lot of about to justify their preferences to me.
It's alright to not like a game and I think it would be more productive to accept that than to make a thread to go up against people that like something.
I don't get people who say they don't understand what the game "is". The trailer showed gameplay, enough to piece together a decent picture of what sort of game it'll be.
It looks like an unconventional stealth game (hiding from suited dudes, hiding from the weird ghost things, focus on evasion and escape rather than fighting), with detailed terrain traversal and a relatively unique inventory/helper item set that interacts with the world in a detailed way (e.g. the ladder, the rappel). It appears that the main thrust of the gameplay is going to be getting from different locations A to B safely using those stealth and traversal mechanics. It looks like there'll be weapons and combat involved, but with less focus on them than an MGS game because of the type of character you're playing. There'll be cutscenes a-plenty with lots of Kojima weirdness. There'll probably be more to it than that with some twists in the gameplay setup, but otherwise... it's a bit mysterious, but not completely unknowable.
It looks like an unconventional stealth game (hiding from suited dudes, hiding from the weird ghost things, focus on evasion and escape rather than fighting), with detailed terrain traversal and a relatively unique inventory/helper item set that interacts with the world in a detailed way (e.g. the ladder, the rappel). It appears that the main thrust of the gameplay is going to be getting from different locations A to B safely using those stealth and traversal mechanics. It looks like there'll be weapons and combat involved, but with less focus on them than an MGS game because of the type of character you're playing. There'll be cutscenes a-plenty with lots of Kojima weirdness. There'll probably be more to it than that with some twists in the gameplay setup, but otherwise... it's a bit mysterious, but not completely unknowable.
This. Look, I have very little interest in this game right now aside from that ladder you can use to navigate (I love a good ladder) but the game is technically impressive and I think there is something to say for a game being developed by a dev with a great track record and the backing of one of the best publishers around. Game looks kind of awful to me but I'm going to wait for reviews and decide whether to give it a spin.
I hope they keep it all under wraps. If anyone's looking for more details before buying, reviews and playthroughs are for you.
Honestly I've lost count how many times my enjoyment factor has been diminished when I actually play a game since I've seen pretty much everything in trailers.
If at the end of the day it's still called "flat" by reviewers, you always have the option of saving money and not buying it.
Honestly I've lost count how many times my enjoyment factor has been diminished when I actually play a game since I've seen pretty much everything in trailers.
If at the end of the day it's still called "flat" by reviewers, you always have the option of saving money and not buying it.
I agree with the OP a fair bit, especially after MGS5. I think I would rather stay healthily skeptical. I still think the game COULD be amazing.
Its just I believed MGS5 would be one of the games of all time from the trailers in the lead up, but it ended up feeling empty and hollow after 10 hours.
Its just I believed MGS5 would be one of the games of all time from the trailers in the lead up, but it ended up feeling empty and hollow after 10 hours.
A game with Norman Reedus as protagonist and Mads Mikkelsen as main antagonist would not be talked about without Kojima?
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This, and as far as the gameplay is concerned I'm excited that to see something that appears so radically different in a AAA release. An action game with a narrative where killing and dying are no longer part of the gameplay loop has me intrigued as hell.
Tbh this sounds pretty horrible to me as someone who's not really into open world games (especially the empty kind) and/or survival stuff.
You have other games with well known actor that didnt got half the attention.
Is it in some way weird that a game in a genre you don't like doesn't appeal to you?
Not really it's just such a step down from his earlier games, MGS3 was peak for me and it's going downhill ever since.
Don't get me wrong, i'm glad to see any single mention of HNK anywhere.
But i get what you were trying with the comparison.
Cheers.
