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So how many of you are running around playing FPS with inverted stick layouts?
- Thread starter TheGhost
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I bet folks playing normal are moving the crosshairs, whereas folks playing inverted are moving the gun.
Think about it. 🤔
Think about it. 🤔
To quote myself from another thread:
Other than standardizing paddles, i'm less interested in hardware evolution [of controllers] and more interested in a focus on abstracting inputs at the software level. Developers should be coding to abstract actions, not locking things down to specific button presses. Sure, a default is needed, but the users should always have the option to tweak as desired. Steam Input/SCAPI should be the gold standard for this, and I really hope that Microsoft and Sony enforce this type of thing at a system level on their next gen consoles. Something that even SCAP doesn't have now that would be great if there were some generic system level actions like "jump", "reload", "zoom", "fire" etc that users could set once according to their preference and have an expectation that any game would honor those.
Unless you also invert X, this explanation never works.For analogs this is how the look stick is for me. FPS or TPS.
The majority of ERA is old as fuck so I think it makes sense that the inverted atrocity is winning.
My god I always knew this forum was FUBAR.
Half of you play with inverted wtf? No wonder you guys hate FPSs.
Half of you play with inverted wtf? No wonder you guys hate FPSs.
There is nothing flawed, everyone has the same control. It's just different.
Inverted. I don't know when it started, I just remember playing GoldenEye as a pre teen and it not feeling right. Once I switched to inverted, everything clicked.
On KB+M though, I play FPS normally.
On KB+M though, I play FPS normally.
I always play with inverted for FPS. It started for me with playing flight arcade games in the early '80s and playing FPS always felt natural that way. I can deal with "regular" for rail shooters if I have to as many early console ones were set that way.
I'm surprised inverted is winning given how young this board is.
I'm surprised inverted is winning given how young this board is.
I've never looked it at that way! I suppose it makes more sense nowFor analogs this is how the look stick is for me. FPS or TPS.
The poll results are astounding though...
Older gamers trend toward inverted as it used to be the standard. I still use inverted Y-axis for every game I play and don't see any advantage to conditioning myself to play standard at this time.
Inverted since...oh geez, probably Quake 1 on PC, which was the first FPS I can remember that actually required you to aim up and down. I was about 18 at the time I played it.
I can't remember the last time I tried non-inverted, but it felt just as wrong to me as it always has. I don't say "default" because it's not always the default; thank you, Xbox 360, for remembering my inverted preference and applying it to all games automatically.
My daughter is 11 months old so she won't be playing FPS games for a while, but I'm not going to force any specific settings on her. She can do whatever she feels like.
I can't remember the last time I tried non-inverted, but it felt just as wrong to me as it always has. I don't say "default" because it's not always the default; thank you, Xbox 360, for remembering my inverted preference and applying it to all games automatically.
My daughter is 11 months old so she won't be playing FPS games for a while, but I'm not going to force any specific settings on her. She can do whatever she feels like.
I think the first FPS I ever played with dual analog sticks was Medal of Honor for PS1, and I'm pretty sure Y axis was inverted by default, so I think that just stuck with me.
Then I played a lot of Time Splitters, and I think that was inverted by default as well, so I just assumed it was normal.
The first time I played non-inverted was Halo. I didn't know you could switch to inverted, so all my friends kicked my ass until I figured out you could change it.
Then I played a lot of Time Splitters, and I think that was inverted by default as well, so I just assumed it was normal.
The first time I played non-inverted was Halo. I didn't know you could switch to inverted, so all my friends kicked my ass until I figured out you could change it.
Inverted always! Since I was a kid.
Think of your head as an analog stick, put your hand on top; when you pull your head with your hand you look up and when you push your head with your hand you look down.
Think of your head as an analog stick, put your hand on top; when you pull your head with your hand you look up and when you push your head with your hand you look down.
1) remember when you could toggle look inversion as a default preference on X360? genius stuff. I will forever assume that change on XB1 was somehow Mattrick's fault.
2) some of E3's demos are running in a specifically incomplete, PC-first state, and they rarely get all the way to a shipping game. I can forgive most "WiP" issues, but I get a damned headache when I can't enable flightstick orientation for right-stick aiming.
It's a bad concept that just causes confusion. Should be more like this.
Your view is like a camera mounted on tripod. Pushing down tilts down, pulling back tilts back. Pushing to the left turns the view left, and pushing right turns the view right.
This is a good way of thinking about it too. Inverters are thinking about 3D movement, whereas non-inverters seem to be thinking of it as moving sights around the screen.
Yeah and they always think it's hilarious for some reason when it just makes them look like dumb kids who don't understand how 3D space actually works. Inverts don't see the game as a flat TV surface but as an actual environment with depth. Likely why inverts also take to real world skills quicker as well such as drone operation and VR simulation.
Default sticks are the flat earthers of gaming. "Huh huh hey guys! Up is up am I right? High five! What disgusting scum people who invert Y are har har!"
Eye effin' roll.
You've been cleansed. Welcome to the brotherhood. Now we can point and laugh at the uncleansed.
?? It's the same explanation.
Where's the poll for "Natural" track pad scroll vs. Normal?
This still doesn't make sense. If you put the stick on top of the character's head when you push the stick left or right their head would tilt not turn.It's a bad concept that just causes confusion. Should be more like this.
Your view is like a camera mounted on tripod. Pushing down tilts down, pulling back tilts back. Pushing to the left turns the view left, and pushing right turns the view right.
This is a good way of thinking about it too. Inverters are thinking about 3D movement, whereas non-inverters seem to be thinking of it as moving sights around the screen.
The thing is, IRL if you're moving a gun, you're moving the front to aim. So up is up.
Again, think of a camera on a tripod. There is no tilting. That direction of movement is normally locked off, there's no use for it under most circumstances. So pushing to the side causes the view to turn instead of tilt. Don't get hung up on trying to map the sticks movement directly to what the in-game camera is doing.
At least I guess we can rest easy in the knowledge that most of these old-ass inverted users are probably close to getting arthritis and back pain and removing themselves from the game.
It's too hard for some people it seems. Their way or the highway.
Yeah. I seem to be making the exact same points I did the last time this topic came up.
invert-y fo life
we're here, we're inverted, get used to it
respect to my invert-x brethren, I got ya back here
please don't try to explain us, and dismiss us, but instead learn to respect
PEACE!
we're here, we're inverted, get used to it
respect to my invert-x brethren, I got ya back here
please don't try to explain us, and dismiss us, but instead learn to respect
PEACE!
you are a monster, like those that tried to beat left handedness out of kids at school
because non-inverts ignore this dumb fight, while the inverts amongst know they have to stand up to the idiots now that the fash is back
At least on consoles inverted was definitely the default for an entire generation and it was way way earlier than freaking CoD4:
Super Mario 64
LoZ OoT
LoZ MM
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark
Jet Force Gemini
Turok
and many many more N64 games all had "inverted" as not only the default but in many cases as the ONLY option. Wanted to play Ocarina of Time without inverted controls? Tough shit, you can't because this is the way it was always intended!
The N64 and flight simulator games are the reason why I control my camera inverted (Y axis) since the mid 90s. I blame Halo 1 for reshaping aiming inversion on consoles back to non-inverted by making the latter the default.
Religious bigotry and dehumanising language. I rest my case.
Depends on where you're looking it from. I've always pictured the stick on TOP of my head. If I push forward head will look down, if I push left head will look left. Its that simple.
My girlfriend is someone who plays inverted. First time we sat on the couch decided to play Overwatch and to swap whop's playing upon each other's death, that's when I found out, it's literally unplayable, which is weird because anything involving flying I do play inverted,.
Then you must have a miserable time trying to play videogames since so so many dont even give an option to invert the X-axis, and those that do are still fairly recent. You must've not been around during the PS2 or earlier gens then or if you were you mustv'e had a miserable time.
Or we were around and gaming when camera controls and 3D gameplay began and we used the default... star fox on SNES was one of the first games I think I experienced this, followed through the N64 years / generation
I don't think it was until Halo on the original Xbox 2001 MS started introducing up is up & down is down as the default...
So anyone born around 1997 onwards (22 or younger) or started gaming 2001 onwards Probably grew up thinking inverted was strange