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So honestly... how does Nintendo ever do another Smash Brothers now?
- Thread starter Musubi
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That's because it wasn't an argument against them, I just don't want them fuck the business side of it. I'm not making money off of this shit why does that matter to me. I want Smash to celebrate Nintendo not garbage like persona.
Furthermore, you also can't prove that the third parties significantly impacted the sales of the game, so congrats that point works both ways.
Like maybe not a full on reboot but I would like the team to go back into the drawing board in the moveset of some of these characters and overhaul them. Like Ganondorf is the obvious one to point out but I think of other characters like Luigi who at this point really shouldn't be a "Shotoclone" of Mario anymore and should have more of his gameplay revolve around the Luigi Mansion gimmick he's more associated with now.
And since we have Three Generations of Link now, they really should use it as an excuse to fine-tune them more around the General of games they represent.
I don't think that's as true as you think it is. If anything I'm pretty sure Smash Bros is much more known than any of its third party characters aside from maybe Pac-Man.
Sakurai already does this to an extent by limiting it only to video game characters anyway, so I really don't care. Either way, I said what I wanted to happen not what I expect to happen which would, sadly for me, be the complete opposite of what I want. Maybe there won't be a new Smash in the traditional sense but just a Nintendo vs the world of gaming where it's some of Nintendo's more popular and recognizable series and then you have a bunch of reps from a bunch of other popular properties or something from various companies.
I can see a reset of Smash Bros happening.
In a way people see Smash being in a difficult situation. But I honestly think that the situation Smash is in is quite good. They have a roster both new and old that they can work upon and alter to bring the same love like the Ultimate Newcomers got.
- Give all characters fresh movesets so they feel more like their more recent games.
- Cut some characters of the roster or change them with characters from their newer games
- More recent characters can probably be copied over as they are.
In a way people see Smash being in a difficult situation. But I honestly think that the situation Smash is in is quite good. They have a roster both new and old that they can work upon and alter to bring the same love like the Ultimate Newcomers got.
There's no way of knowing this. But it's likely what made Smash Bros Ultimate as successful as it is is the Switch bump, which has been hitting every Nintendo franchise. Nintendo series like Mario Kart and Animal Crossing have had their most successful titles with absolutely no third parties. Pokemon has had its most successful title since the days of GSC. Mario had the most successful 3D Mario ever, by a huge magnitude. etc.
What I want to happen: Reboot the franchise into a 3D Arena Brawler, start roster from scratch, Nintendo's take on Power Stone basically.
What will probably happen: Same old game ported, shinier, the end.
What will probably happen: Same old game ported, shinier, the end.
It'll likely be exactly like every other Smash game. They start off with a plan of bringing all the previous content in- characters, stages, etc. They create a priority list for which characters make it in or not including newcomers. They make licensing deals for third parties if the character is high enough on the desired list. And with the budget and time they're given, they add what they can.
I really think Ultimate was just an aligning of the right moment.
I really think Ultimate was just an aligning of the right moment.
The base game only introduced three new third party characters (Simon, Richter, and Ken), so I don't think this is that much of a truism.
Even something like zooming in the camera a little bit and having both fixed stamina and traditional damage contributing to ways of KOing someone are example of new mechanics that could add a fresh coat of paint while still being smash.
To be clear I'm not advocating for making a 3D arena fighter here. Someone just recently said they could go the 3rd Strike route and I agree. Mix it up a tad.
To be clear I'm not advocating for making a 3D arena fighter here. Someone just recently said they could go the 3rd Strike route and I agree. Mix it up a tad.
They don't just port it over and add to it. Can update the graphics and add things like single player campaigns and what not as we go.
I honestly think that the best way to go forward is to amplify the crossover aspect of the game but to focus exclusively on one aspect of it. Make Smash Ultimate again, but instead of being a crossover of multiple partners just make it Nintendo vs someone else. For example, a roster of half Nintendo characters vs half Sega characters would immediately give it a hook the previous games haven't had so far.
I hate myself for this, but I feel like it should go SAAS + Fortnite metaverse. New character every month forever. Hank Hill, Goku, Elon Musk, Waluigi.
I think they did before EX was a thing, but in those days people wanted everything to be 3D. EX basically proved it didn't work as well in 3D.
While I think Ultimate plus more til the end of the time is the best way to continue the franchise, I do wonder if Nintendo is willing to pay for all those third party licences by the time they have to port the game to Switch 2 and beyond.
Has Kojima ever worked on an action-oriented game in a non-producer role? Genuine question.Reboot Smash with an unknown indie dev
I'm still baffled by people thinking it has to be rebooted. They've already done all the work to get Ultimate existing. Just tweak some characters (like Link already was in Ultimate), cut/add some others, and boom you've got another game that makes almost everyone happy.
You could even just port Ultimate as-is and make the main new addition Subspace 2 + a couple of new Nintendo characters(Twintelle, a new Pokémon, new FE protagonist, etc).
You could even just port Ultimate as-is and make the main new addition Subspace 2 + a couple of new Nintendo characters(Twintelle, a new Pokémon, new FE protagonist, etc).
Either port Ultimate for the rest of all time (maybe adding more & more to it), or dramatically switch-up the gameplay of the series to try something new.
This is the way to go. Just like Mobas keep adding to it and updating the graphics and things over the years. Can even add single player campaigns and other stuff as we go. Anything else would be a downgrade.
Excuse me, there are only four versions of Marth in Ultimate. :P
You missed two spots…
They're inevitable for the next Smash game (Ring Fit Trainee especially). But yeah, the others you mentioned make sense.
That would probably entail over a decade of waiting for a new Smash game, & I doubt Nintendo would want to wait that long.
Yeah the question seems a bit crazy to me. How can a company make another game in a series that's insanely popular? Ugh, they do this literally all the time and we have tons of examples of games that essentially don't change much. That still sell gangbusters.
The idea that Nintendo "needs" to do something drastic simply because of how much is in Ultimate simply isn't based on how the industry works. Do people think they can't add a few stages, a few new moves, and some nicer graphics on switch pro and call it a day?