No it does not. Anyone who thinks this needs to stop watching the news and just take a break.
No it does not. Anyone who thinks this needs to stop watching the news and just take a break.
This means everything Sidious did in Episodes I-VI is pointless.
Very good point!The First Order will likely end up having had control of the majority of major systems for a period of less than maybe 2 or so years depending on the amount of time between TLJ and RoS. Possibly less if we find out that the resistance rebounded to take some stuff back during this time.
In the grand scheme of things, I don't see it erasing what the big three accomplished.
This is the biggest failure of the ST, making what came before retroactively an excercise in futility. It's true 'nothing lasts', but if you want to show the cycle repeating, do it with a clean slate and don't involve the old characters. Otherwise you are stating that the actions of those characters really were for nothing.
And also on the 'it bought peace' argument. It's just empty words, as we're not shown any of that. We go from 'evil is finally defeated' after 3 movies to 'all your heroes lives went to shit' in, what, a passing mention? And the worst part, there is no story excuse for this, it's just a way for Disney to phase out 'the old product' and introduce 'the new product'.
Ben didn't come out the womb evil. There was a time of peace. Peace in reality could never exist so it's amazing it lasted as long as it did in the star wars world.
This is the biggest failure of the ST, making what came before retroactively an excercise in futility. It's true 'nothing lasts', but if you want to show the cycle repeating, do it with a clean slate and don't involve the old characters. Otherwise you are stating that the actions of those characters really were for nothing.
And also on the 'it bought peace' argument. It's just empty words, as we're not shown any of that. We go from 'evil is finally defeated' after 3 movies to 'all your heroes lives went to shit' in, what, a passing mention? And the worst part, there is no story excuse for this, it's just a way for Disney to phase out 'the old product' and introduce 'the new product'.
Very good point!
The First Order at best will be ruling for around 2 years before taken out.
Ben didn't come out the womb evil. There was a time of peace. Peace in reality could never exist so it's amazing it lasted as long as it did in the star wars world.
True. But how did Snoke get to influence Ben? How long had he been scheming? How did someone so powerful not sense a lightsaber moving to gut him? What was his overall plan?
Yes.
Im not sure if the First Order controls the galaxy like the Empire, does it? How did it secretly get control to such a degree where all ruling parties obey the FO as centralised government responsible for every aspect of rule, might be me not knowing enough, but with the Empire you knew it was galactic control of economy, society and local governance. We met deeply entrenched ideologues from the Empire, which went far beyond the military. FO barely has that presence.
Actually the First Order appeared over a decade before TFA.The FO didn't appear till 4 years before TFA. That is about 25 years of peace.
Actually the First Order appeared over a decade before TFA.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_Order
The First Order appeared around 21 ABY and TFA takes place around 34 ABY. There probably was around 15 years of solid peace and that's not really including the cold war with the remaining Imperial remnants in the years between.
Should have just adapted the Thrawn Trilogy.
The characters have positive growth and don't regress and yet come under a meaningful threat.
Luke - Build The New Jedi Order then get destroy again by his nephew.
Han - Have a family but ruined by his son who the join dark side.
Leia - Restore The Republic the get destroy again by Empire 2.0
Where the Vong when we need them ?
I haven't actually read that but from Rebels I know Thrawn is an Imperial Admiral, so... Does he like rally the remnants of the Empire to take back the galaxy, using his superior tactics and strategies to defeat a superior Republic fleet with what few ships he has to work with?
I haven't actually read that but from Rebels I know Thrawn is an Imperial Admiral, so... Does he like rally the remnants of the Empire to take back the galaxy, using his superior tactics and strategies to defeat a superior Republic fleet with what few ships he has to work with?
And Anakin didn't bring balance. These new films are shiiiiiit. Need to pretend they don't exist.
You made my point. People pull out the silly stuff while dismissing all the good stuff.
Have you considered the sacrifice the Disney stock holders made?
Yes. OG Thrawn is more interesting then the Rebels one too imo
That would be fantastic. An underdog villain that doesn't use a superweapon to wipe out an entire star system, but systematically dismantles Republic fleets through pure strategy and experience.
An enemy that, really, Jedi aren't that useful against because the threat he represents isn't something you can swing a lightsaber at. Could've made a nice counterpoint to a threat only a Jedi can truly handle and given the non-Jedi characters someone to challenge and overcome.
Making the prequel trilogy the rebel alliance vs the empire 2.0 was a mistake. A stronger New Republic (that didn't get its capital and most of its fleet destroyed it 30 seconds) fighting a strong Imperal remnant or new threat would have been a better direction to go.
That would be fantastic. An underdog villain that doesn't use a superweapon to wipe out an entire star system, but systematically dismantles Republic fleets through pure strategy and experience.
An enemy that, really, Jedi aren't that useful against because the threat he represents isn't something you can swing a lightsaber at. Could've made a nice counterpoint to a threat only a Jedi can truly handle and given the non-Jedi characters someone to challenge and overcome.
Pray tell, in what Universe is anything that requires putting up with the above acceptable?
Luke being a walking unbeatable Gary Stu is not very good either
When the worse the new canon has to show is Commander Carbin...yeah you're doing something right.
Even if I have lots of issues with the new movies I can always look back and say
"Well at least Han Solo isn't fighting an otter while Leia cyclops'd the emperor's son whose name is Trioculus because he has 3 eyes"