To be fair, "like" is much better than every FPS post 2002 being dubbed in the "Halo Killer" genre lol.
I truly await the first "Souls Killer" game.
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So, do we agree that masocore is the name of the Souls/Nioh/[Insert super hard game] genre?
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I truly await the first "Souls Killer" game.
The community has already spoken years ago. its Soulslike.
Not all soulslike games are masocore, and not all masocore games are soulslike
You cant really just bundle up soulslike games with insert any super hard game and then call it masocore.
Not all soulslike games are masocore, and not all masocore games are soulslike
You cant really just bundle up soulslike games with insert any super hard game and then call it masocore.
Nioh 2 might be the first cringecore game. It certainly is a trailblazer in this regard.
It's not just about being difficult though. Celeste and Nioh are both hard but only one is a soulslike.
Yeah my reaction too.
On the one hand its cringey as all hell, on the other hand, I feel like it fits the overall tone of the games and the discussion around them
Developers will call their game whatever they want and leave it at that. Nioh is masocore according to Team Ninja. Dark Souls and the rest of their games are just FromSoftware's action RPGs.
After that, it's up to whether you want to waste time arguing the semantics of it.
After that, it's up to whether you want to waste time arguing the semantics of it.
Soulslike is fine. People know exactly what they're getting when you tell them "it's like Dark Souls".
Yeah I came in here to say this. The term is already in use and means something totally different. I Want to Be The Guy, for example.
the souls games are not sufficiently difficult and unfair to qualify as masocore
the difficulty and unfairness need to be at least at the level of i wanna be the guy
the difficulty and unfairness need to be at least at the level of i wanna be the guy
Yeah really, they're challenging games, but they're not even close to being masochistic.
I mean, you can try to promote a new genre name and there's a chance it will catch on if it resonates with people. Valve attempted to make "action RTS" a thing but League had promoted "MOBA" for long enough that it had already stuck. Before that the genre was just "things that are influenced by Dota" and included stuff like Demigod and Guilty Gear 2.
Awful name and like with "pathfinders" it's too late to try to force a new name at this point. The reputation that Dark Souls is a game where you just run into the meat grinder is a probably a big reason why so many people immediately went to the Tombs in Dark Souls 1 and didn't realise they were there too early.
Yeah, this. Souls games are nothing like kaizo-style platformers.
A super hard game is a super hard game. We really gonna act like hard games didn't exist before Souls?
Or are you referring to games with enemies that respawn after activating a hub thing? And meticulous level design and shortcuts and Z targeting and rolling? What if all those mechanics were in an "easy" game? Then masocore wouldn't make sense. Please stop
Or are you referring to games with enemies that respawn after activating a hub thing? And meticulous level design and shortcuts and Z targeting and rolling? What if all those mechanics were in an "easy" game? Then masocore wouldn't make sense. Please stop
Team Ninja probably just felt weird calling their game a soulslike, which is weird because they are super upfront with that fact that Nioh is inspired by Dark Souls. I think the community has already cemented soulslike.
Kind of an awful name since it just sounds like you can use the label for anything hard. Souls-like is a crap name but at least if you know what Souls is you know just what kind of game you're getting.
Sorry, the name Masocore is taken. The period from 2005-2010 was the peak of the genre. Matt Thorson's early work (the Jumper series), Anna Anthropy's Mighty Jill Off, I wanna be the guy, Kaizo Mario, etc. Super Meat Boy is what took it mainstream. The genre still exists, though the name is used less frequently.
Edit: Forgot about VVVVVV by Terry Cavanagh! Plus, Psychosomnium by Cactus. I get so excited every time I think about the mid 2000s in freeware indie games. So many of those creators have gone on to make more polished and popular versions of their early work.
Edit: Forgot about VVVVVV by Terry Cavanagh! Plus, Psychosomnium by Cactus. I get so excited every time I think about the mid 2000s in freeware indie games. So many of those creators have gone on to make more polished and popular versions of their early work.
No, because you don't need to follow the souls formula to be a masocore game. Bullet hell's can be masocore for example.
