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You can still be incredibly powerful and wise without bringing down star destroyers with your hands
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So, could Luke Skywalker have taken on the whole First Order with his laser sword?
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You can still be incredibly powerful and wise without bringing down star destroyers with your hands
This was THE best Star Wars series ever. They went to 11 with showing; off force wielders styling on people.
Mace Windu took on an entire army in hand to hand combat:
Genndy Tartakovsky da GOAT
I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare Vader in his prime to Luke, Vader fought through the clone wars, exterminated Jedi, he was a battle-hardened death machine. Literally more machine than man. Luke really... ain't done that much in comparison. Sure he "beats Vader" but I've never been one to take individual feats out of context like that.
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Mundi had no personal attachment to the clones, he didn't consider them people. And, he sensed and saw what they were going to do. He was able to prepare to defend himself, yet they still overwhelmed. And he's a Jedi Master that sits on the Council. Meanwhile, he can also apparently take down waves of droid troopers firing volleys at him.
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yep. Decently strong non-force users like Jango Fett clones could easily take down most Jedi with only a few dozen troops and Grievous was standing toe to toe with many Jedi masters.
Top tier Jedi are mostly single platoon ground troop level. Highest tier might be able to take down one or two flight craft if within a limited range. Like Palpatine is quite frankly ridiculous in TRoS considering that's leagues beyond what he's shown in any other Star Wars movie in a weakened body at that.
Man, I really want a series where Anakin reaches his full potential. So sad we never got anything like that.
No, The Clone Wars was not that.
Jedi's jobbed a lot in Clone Wars too so it's not like they were consistently all that powerful. They struggled more than a fair bit.
Well, it kinda was. The Mortis arc showed us what Anakin could do, and I mean really do, with the Force if he wanted to. If he had ever achieved his full potential it would've been like he turned into Doctor Manhattan or something. 😂
That scene was the best part of the entire sequel trilogy.
The folks putting out new SW content left and right better not defile Luke Skywalker's character anymore than they already have though. He's a badass for sure, but he was about a lot more than simply being a powerful warrior.
So if Vader said this
shouldn't force users be OP? I mean not too op, but they should be like Michael Jordan playing against the Cleveland cavaliers.
shouldn't force users be OP? I mean not too op, but they should be like Michael Jordan playing against the Cleveland cavaliers.
Makes me think of one of the old dark horse comics. Vader leaves a planet because he's not sure if he can beat them alone and the planet lets him go because they're not certain either lol
Yeah, modern Vader would have force-choked the closest thousand of them in a moment, then gone to town with his lightsaber. Or just pitched the saber at Luke while holding off everyone else.
Of course, you could justify it as him not really wanting to kill or capture Luke deep down.
Nah, the temper tantrum of an at-at barrage would've killed him
The EU was always the place were creatives could go crazy with force powers.
Maybe but he preferred to let all his friends and loved ones get killed first before even considering it.
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At the time we felt it was more philosophical. Like, "big deal, you can blow up a planet. The Force can literally influence minds or instill Hope into the entire galaxy to turn against us." When Obi-Wan says he'll become more "powerful" after death, he wasn't saying he's become more powerful, physically. It means he had transcended death and through it able to aid Luke on his journey, free from all restrictions.
Now, the line can be taken to mean literally. As in, "yeah, the Death Star can blow up a planet but my Master can Force Lighting an entire planet to death and cause a star to supernova. Yeet."
I might get eviscerated by lore nerds for saying this, but (at least in the main films and Mando) the Force is kind of scope-less in its magnitude. There doesn't seem to be a limit to its reach/range, except for the proficiency of the user. It's a thing that's there for amazing miracle moments to turn the tide of a battle or a scene. And it almost seems scope-less in the ways it manifests. I don't recall another use of holographic-like projection (across the galaxy, nevermind just across a small space like a room), so that surprised me in TLJ. It can kind of...do anything? I accepted that. It's space magic.
I loved that scene, wonderful send off for Luke even after the predictably lazy way RoS decided to use him again.
Wasn't one of Vader's first lines in the series "the ability to destroy planets is nothing compared to the power of the force"?
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lol. Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous how supposed "one-man-armies" get utterly annihilated by low-effort shenanigans in Episodes II and III.
I suppose it was taken literally when characters like Nihilus were created aka Star Wars' Galactus. He didn't even need to do things with force lightning. He just sucked the life force from your planet till it was dead.
I'll be completely honest. I hate it when the force is supposed to be more philosophical, and I also hate it when it expressed too Literally if that makes sense. Like is I like my dbz power level but too much ain't good. I dont know.
and yet his boss kept wanting to build Death Stars and mini-death stars and bigger death stars.
It was pretty clear that line was meant to be taken in the sense of influencing people.
What's more powerful:
A religion but with an actual god and powers
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A nuclear bomb
I mean, in real terms he couldnt even beat Snoke so no. However, the beauty of that scene is that it plays to the legend of Luke Skywalker, that his mere presence makes people think he could do it is a weapon in itself eventhough in reality he would have been turned to dust in a second
I'm all for people enjoying Star Wars how they want to and everything, and I mean this with no disrespect... but who gives a fuck, and who wants to see that?
I'm so tired of the conversation surrounding Jedi and Luke in particular revolving around power levels, and finally getting to see "Prime" Luke, or "Badass" Luke, when all I want is an enjoyable, well written, well developed character.
The shit in those comics is stupid as hell, and just diminishes the characters because there are no stakes I can believe in. Same goes for TROS.
I'm so tired of the conversation surrounding Jedi and Luke in particular revolving around power levels, and finally getting to see "Prime" Luke, or "Badass" Luke, when all I want is an enjoyable, well written, well developed character.
The shit in those comics is stupid as hell, and just diminishes the characters because there are no stakes I can believe in. Same goes for TROS.
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You put it even more succinctly than me. Now, that line must be taken literally.
I believe Luke had the potential, and could have, but I don't think Luke would have. The abilities and skills he would've needed to do that would likely not be the Jedi way.
Luke was big on the Jedi way. The real Luke wouldn't have used his powers and abilities to destroy or hurt. Especially where Luke was mentally in The Last Jedi.
Frankly, I believe Vader could have as well if he wasn't so destroyed from the Mustafar battle. The Skywalkers certainly have the ability to do whatever they want to with the force.
Luke was big on the Jedi way. The real Luke wouldn't have used his powers and abilities to destroy or hurt. Especially where Luke was mentally in The Last Jedi.
Frankly, I believe Vader could have as well if he wasn't so destroyed from the Mustafar battle. The Skywalkers certainly have the ability to do whatever they want to with the force.
But you don't understand. The best kind of stories are the ones where someone asserts dominance over their weaker foes in an overpowering and stylish fashion.
You want "WelL wRitTeN"? Go read a dictionary instead, you nerd.
I always think of action on comics or cartoons as stylized more than anything. That's why Ahsoka jumps normally in mando compared to the cartoons.
As far as episode 8 Luke and mando Luke..they are one in the same with 20+ years of events. A lot of ppl forget the sequel trilogy takes place just over a year...a lot can happen between ep 6 and 7..
As far as episode 8 Luke and mando Luke..they are one in the same with 20+ years of events. A lot of ppl forget the sequel trilogy takes place just over a year...a lot can happen between ep 6 and 7..
The very problem of Star wars and what fans want from it is that somewhere throughout the prequels, the concept of the force shifted from a mythological, metaphysical one to rather straightforward physical/real-world powers that could be trained and measured in DBZ-like power levels. The line has been muddled ever since.
You think, what? I'm gonna walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First Order?
Said Luke Skywalker, as a depressed man, beaten down by his previous failures and questioning if anything could truly impart lasting change
Let's debate how much of a bodycount he could amass with his laser sword
Said the fandom, missing the point completely.
Said Luke Skywalker, as a depressed man, beaten down by his previous failures and questioning if anything could truly impart lasting change
Let's debate how much of a bodycount he could amass with his laser sword
Said the fandom, missing the point completely.
Jedi get killed with ease throughout the clone wars series as well.
Shitty battle droids even killing jedi.
It wasn't till SW was out of George's hand did we get the crazy power levels and creep going on with the force.
Luke from the sequel trilogy, especially after how TLJ shat all over Luke? Nah.
Luke from the old Expanded Universe? He could've probably single-handedly fucked over the First Order.
Luke from the old Expanded Universe? He could've probably single-handedly fucked over the First Order.
