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Dude dressed the Eldians in the ghettos up like pre-holocaust Jews in Nazi Germany.
We are but framing is the key. The ending in the OP seems to justify it.
This is what the thread is about though?
If the ending we are getting is in anyway trying to make seem like Eren did what he had to then it will be excusing genocide. That's literally what the ending in the OP is.
User Banned (2 weeks): concern trolling
This manga is allow here!!?? Author admited that he's far right wing and his hero and inspiration is war criminal. Why are you talking about this facist product?
And ofcorse extreme nationalism and "fuck you got mine" mentality will be presented as a positive.
And ofcorse extreme nationalism and "fuck you got mine" mentality will be presented as a positive.
Are you saying if he didn't agree with it he could change a future set in stone? That's literally not how this works.
I'm mainly referring about this part of the OP
If that how things go down, then it's a big no from me.
It's not just Eren that was interacting Grisha. It was two way with two people. At that point the difference between "future memories" and direct conversation is so small it's being a bit pedantic.
It's possible for the ending to be satisfying even if the villain wins.
Also Eren is absolutely the villain.
He sealed the threat on Paradise Island with the terrorist attack that made the whole world his enemy.
then he used that threat as a justification for eradicating everyone not him.
He's a fucking villain, one of the most vile and delluded too.
Also Eren is absolutely the villain.
He sealed the threat on Paradise Island with the terrorist attack that made the whole world his enemy.
then he used that threat as a justification for eradicating everyone not him.
He's a fucking villain, one of the most vile and delluded too.
As of the last chapter, they're splatted as well.
This should be banned for being such a bullshit.
Go and educate youself about the manga better, please, the manga conveys the nationalism and fascism in extremely negative light.
I'm saying that it's a future set in stone to begin with because it's something that makes sense to him and he agrees with the philosophy behind what he's doing.
If this wasn't in-character for Eren then this would never have happened.
Do you read the manga? It literally can't get any more anti-war than it is.
Do you really think Eren sat down with Floch and told him the whole unfettered truth about how he wanted to be a force for justice but fate turned his hand? He recruited Floch because Floch was a willing participant meant to help get Eren and Zeke to the Rumbling. That says absolutely nothing about Eren's motivations or deeper feelings on fate and freedom, it just says Floch is an asshole Nazi.
That's pure assumption on your part, and doesn't add up with Eren's very transparent feelings in the new chapter.
You should be less defensive man, I havr no animosity toward AoT.
nobody is telling you that either.
also god damn the goal posts moviiiiiiiiinggg
Ironic, considering you completely missed the mark on the intent (assuming you read it).
The manga was good long before it.
It is just that when you reread it and notice the foreshadowing that we had no way of knowing about that it starts becoming something even more special. Some of them were even in the first chapter!
Isayama better go in harder on it being a bad thing then because half the fanbase of Attack on Titan either agrees with Eren or tries to justify the genocide as neither being right or wrong.
I think the last chapter made it obvious that he wanted this too.
Sorry, I didn't think you necessarily do, I just don't know why people for years have been pinning this sort of shit on Isayama with zero evidence.
yes, thats why he cried when he met that random kid that means absolutely nothing to him.
Not sure what the point you're making in the thread now is. No one really cares if you read it or not. We are just saying it's good. It's always been good.
I won't judge an ending before actually reading or watching it. Execution and context, those matter a lot.
That said, I also don't like the idea that going for full nihilism is somehow inherently "better" than any other alternative.
I'll check this out and see. If I think it's not for me or not a good concept in general, then I'll certainly say it.
That said, I also don't like the idea that going for full nihilism is somehow inherently "better" than any other alternative.
I'll check this out and see. If I think it's not for me or not a good concept in general, then I'll certainly say it.
you asked if the direction it took was "bad"
everybody told you that not, it isnt bad.
and then you said, "so if it gets good until the time skip, is not worth it then"
its fine man, you ddidnt like it, no need to justify your decisions by randome people on the internet
Season 3 Part 2 is rated as the #7 best anime of all time in MAL (imdb for anime).
It's just that The Final Season could challenge the #1.
Basically....if you were to judge it based on that music video then that's full-blown genocide apologism on how it's framed.
He feels bad for those innocents but he still wanted it. You can have conflicting emotions on an action but to Eren, the deaths of innocents is worth it to him.
Also for anyone who hasn't read it, this article is pretty good read about the genocide plot points of AoT.
www.polygon.com
The fascist subtext of Attack on Titan can’t go overlooked
The story’s twist exposes the ugly side of the manga and anime
www.polygon.com
Exactly.
If he frames it differently in the manga then be my guest. If he decides to go full in on the genocide apologism then I got a really big problem with it and it would ruin the series.
There's a reason that only people that are concern trolling about the manga, like you in this thread, are the only ones that use that shitty article.Also for anyone who hasn't read it, this article is pretty good read about the genocide plot points of AoT.
The fascist subtext of Attack on Titan can’t go overlooked
The story’s twist exposes the ugly side of the manga and anime
Also for anyone who hasn't read it, this article is pretty good read about the genocide plot points of AoT.
The fascist subtext of Attack on Titan can’t go overlooked
The story’s twist exposes the ugly side of the manga and anime
This article you are linking was memed on and lambasted by the community. You are bringing up old news. You already stated you don't read the manga. Why do you believe this article?
Honestly this seems likely since killing Eren or him destroying the rest for peace looks to be the most obvious paths.
With everything we're had so far how the fuck can anyone side with Eren?
He literally bombed the UN equivalent and sent the world against paradise Island.
He was the tipping point AND now we know that he even wanted this to happen because the little images he had in his head was different from the real world.
Cheering Eren is a Breaking Bad level of reading times 1000.
And the worst part is that by enacting the plan, Eren doomed Paradise Island if he doesn't go through with it.
if the plan is stopped, the rest of the world is justified in wipping out Paradise Island.
That's a pretty big if. Does this video really reflect the ending? If it does, does it give enough context and nuance that the manga ultimately will? We are completely lacking in context here so no need to jump to some insane conclusions like genocide apologism. It would be a complete counter message to seriously the entirety of AoT so far.
It strikes me as people just wanting to have issues with it. Let it resolve and we'll debate from there.
We are talking about the ending in the OP.
How is it not pro genocide?
Bro this article again?Also for anyone who hasn't read it, this article is pretty good read about the genocide plot points of AoT.
The fascist subtext of Attack on Titan can’t go overlooked
The story’s twist exposes the ugly side of the manga and anime
This is one of those series that is so well written and has so many layers that I trust the author knows what he's doing.
You are ignorant to what happens in the story and are mindlessly linking a farcical article to derail discussion. What you are doing is the textbook definition of concern trolling.
are you really, gonna deflect my question???
At this point the only way you can think AoT has a fascist message would be if you literally haven't read anything that's happened after the timeskip.
Like seriously.
Like seriously.
You'll get tend to get some variety of this:
"So you'll just lay down and let the world genocide your land & people?"
"The world started it first."
"Collateral damage. There was no other way. Very sad. Eren was forced to do this."
"It's not real life so who cares? This is fucking fun. Kill them all, God-Emperor Eren. Fuck the Cringe-vengers (Mikasa, Armin, Reiner, Gabi, Falco etc. team up)"
If the ending treated what Eren did as bad (straight up bad without any excuse) then it isn't pro genocide.
With that said, why are you talking about something that isn't in the OP ending? The ending is going on about how what Eren did is good even though he sacrificed a lot.
If this is the actual ending then it is pro genocide. Period.