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So assuming a direct sequel to Three Houses came out, which path do you think it would spin out of? Open spoilers obviously.
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I'm hoping for GOLDEN ROUTE where I dont have to choose between my kids anymore
But if I did, it would be the ones without Edelgard
One of us
Golden Deer is an amazing compliment to Silver Snow tbh. Lore revelations there are nuts.
But if I did, it would be the ones without Edelgard
One of us
Golden Deer is an amazing compliment to Silver Snow tbh. Lore revelations there are nuts.
Crimson Flower please. It was the shortest path and could have some great political intrigue within the empire and probably have Edelgard and her supporters (including her wife Byleth) strive to revolutionize the empire.
I stan our Emperor Edelgard but one can't ignore that she is an antagonist/villain to anyone that gets in her way.
You have forsaken our Emperor (avatar change)! A prequel or sequel, it would be good to see the other continents focused on.
I've got no idea what criteria they'd base this choice on.
In 3H itself, CF is clearly the alternate, not the main story, e.g. the time gap makes no sense in it but still happens, it is all 'rah rah Edelgard' without offering the substance of her story detectable elsewhere, it is shorter than others, etc. It is basically a dumb "what if I hadn't killed her..." instead of actually going into her story (major lost opportunity).
Similarly, Silver Snow is a less than half-baked attempt at a Rhea/church narrative.
So if they were doing it by what are the best developed routes/narratives in 3H it'd be either BL or GD.
But...they might well not? Sequels don't always take the clear path forward or pick up where the creator seemed to set the main path in the original. This is particularly so with games where story connection is not where new game ideas get their main/only creative impulse. So who knows?
In 3H itself, CF is clearly the alternate, not the main story, e.g. the time gap makes no sense in it but still happens, it is all 'rah rah Edelgard' without offering the substance of her story detectable elsewhere, it is shorter than others, etc. It is basically a dumb "what if I hadn't killed her..." instead of actually going into her story (major lost opportunity).
Similarly, Silver Snow is a less than half-baked attempt at a Rhea/church narrative.
So if they were doing it by what are the best developed routes/narratives in 3H it'd be either BL or GD.
But...they might well not? Sequels don't always take the clear path forward or pick up where the creator seemed to set the main path in the original. This is particularly so with games where story connection is not where new game ideas get their main/only creative impulse. So who knows?
Of all the characters Claude's route has still the most to explore. His goals in fodlan weren't even his ultimate goals just a step to something bigger.
Dimitri and Edelgard feel like they finish their story in their routes.
Dimitri and Edelgard feel like they finish their story in their routes.
I haven't played the other routes yet (waiting on the last DLC pack) but I don't see CF as an alternate route. I'd argue the opposite that it's the main route (not necessarily in a canonical way) and that's why other routes fill in the gaps and explain things. It's a game designed to be played more than once, and I don't see how most players wouldn't pick the Black Eagles first because of Edelgard. For better and worse, she's the only woman house leader. Though with that logic, I suppose Silver Snow is more logically the main route since Crimson Flower's flag is easy to miss.
I think it's more Edelgard and the Black Eagles are slightly more emphasized by the game itself, as Edelgard is the one Byleth saves in the beginning which creates more of an initial connection between them and the other house leaders. The main theme "Edge of Dawn" is also about and assumedly sung by Edelgard, as its Japanese name is Hresvelg Girl's Song or something like that. All of that together makes it feel like the game favors Edelgard for at least an initial playthrough, though not overwhelmingly so, and I wouldn't be surprised if she's the most popular initial choice.
Surprised how many people voted Verdant Wind. Imo it's the most complete story with few loose ends. Basically all that's left is Claude's adventure to defeat racism.
Azure Moon and Crimson Flower don't deal with Those Who Slither in the Dark, so I'd say one of those. Preferably Azure because Claude doesn't die there.
Azure Moon and Crimson Flower don't deal with Those Who Slither in the Dark, so I'd say one of those. Preferably Azure because Claude doesn't die there.
Claude can be spared in Crimson Flower. In fact, he also leaves Fodlan if he survives, which is why he's considered a good candidate for a sequel story as his survival doesn't invalidate any route.
That's not what happens though. Bernadetta is completely safe at the ballista, the fire is meant to defend her and the ballista. That scene is always taken out of context. It's up to the player to drive her out and kill her.
It's because I went with Crimson Flower first and then the DLC details for waves 3 and 4 leaked. I put 140+ hours into one playthrough and I got a huge backlog. I'm going to play the rest once the final wave of DLC is released.
The Knights of Seiros are the weakest military force in Fodlan. They're hyper competent, but their numbers are small and they're easily overwhelmed by the armies of any one of the three nations. They're like the Swiss Guard. You can put a Knight of Seiros against any single knight of equal station in any other nation and odds are very much in the KoS's favor. But there aren't nearly enough of them to match any other nation's military. The Church wields a whole hell of a lot of soft power, but they are not a military juggernaut.
Because the last people who knew where crests and hero's relics came from committed a genocide on her people.
Directly from the religion that she invented:
The nobility exists because, instead of ending the bloodlines of the people who committed genocide on her people, she cast them as heroes in her mythology. Why? Because look at Marianne's story. That's what would have happened to all of the 10 Elite's descendants instead of just Maurice's. The nobility and the feudal system of Fodlan is entirely on humans. And like many things Edelgard blames them on the Church because she's spent her entire life being fed lies.
Lonato wasn't executed because he learned the truth. He was killed because he was literally leading a war party to directly attack the Church to take revenge for his son being executed. And his son was executed because he was literally a party to an attempt to assassinate Rhea. (Though it's likely he didn't know what the goals of the people he was helping were). It's not kind or gentle, but it's not like any other nation, real or imagined, wouldn't execute someone for trying to assassinate their leader.
Which isn't to say The Church isn't guilty of a great many things, isolationism and a passive disinterest in fixing any of the many things wrong with Fodlan chief among them. Nor that Rhea's hands are clean (whatever was going on with Byleth's mother and the ones that came before her. It clearly wasn't the same thing that happened with Byleth).
I haven't finished Verdant Wind, but of the three I've done, Crimson Flower seems like it leaves the largest loose end, with a full on war with Those Who Slither in the Dark, although that seems odd since the underworlders were beaten in a single campaign in Silver Snow. Silver Snow and Azure Moon end with everything nearly utopian.
I think the poll question has nothing to do with the title of the thread
and the only correct answer is making a spin off about Claude. He survives in any path and his ending is similar in those, also Almyra is much more interesting to explore than Fodlan again
She was used as a bait.
and the only correct answer is making a spin off about Claude. He survives in any path and his ending is similar in those, also Almyra is much more interesting to explore than Fodlan again
She is trapped, she either tries to escape and get burned or dies there because she is trapped.
She was used as a bait.
She isnt fascist but she is Imperialist (you even compared her to Napoleon), that for me is very sad to see people prasing her actions because Imperialism still sucks even if it sucks much less than Fascism.
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They don't have time to entrench outside of Edelgard's route. They're busy providing support fighting a war. In Edelgard's route, once Byleth is back, they're pretty much fighting the war themselves without the Wub Wub Underground.
every single character in the game, and perhaps even the series if we want to go that far, is imperialist
I haven't played all of the campaigns, but I wouldn't mind the route where "Edelgard Wins" being canon.
If only for the fact that could setup a sequel where you choose to be on her side or defeat her all over again.
If only for the fact that could setup a sequel where you choose to be on her side or defeat her all over again.
No, they are not. Monarchists, maybe. By the end of the game, Fodlan is unified, but that's a result of the war. Only Edelgard's the only one seizing territory to expand her Empire. Which is a necessary part of imperialism.
Way too many people having only played Crimson Flower means there is way too many people convinced that Edelgard was justified.
That route bends over backwards for her, and even so, much of her motivations fall apart when scrutinized using information gained in the other routes.
Anyway, I really wanna see Claudes adventures in Almyra.
That route bends over backwards for her, and even so, much of her motivations fall apart when scrutinized using information gained in the other routes.
Anyway, I really wanna see Claudes adventures in Almyra.
the church and the archbishop quite clearly wield imperial power, even if rhea eschews the title of emperor. fodlan and almyra have been fighting over territory for centuries. duscur was invaded and subjugated by faerghus. these are all imperial powers. you don't have to be actively taking territory right this second to be considered an empire.
They do not. What even indicates anything like that? The Church is strictly isolationist. They want the rest of the world out and Fodlan not to expand beyond its current borders.
We do not know what the reason Almyra and Fodlan started fighting for is. We know that Fodlan isn't trying to invade Almyra. They put up Fodlan's locket to keep Almyra out. Defending your territory isn't imperialist. Moreover, Claude has pointed out that Almyra mostly attacks Fodlan for sport these days.
Faerghus isn't a character in this game. Moreover, the people running Faerghus when that happened were TWSitD affiliated. The power behind, ya know, the Empire.
Your words:
You listed one character in the game, and you're flatly incorrect about that character.
my god i'm sorry but this is an absurdly prickly post to make over my assertion that the principal characters in a medieval fantasy series are imperialist.
nearly every character in the game, from edelgard to ingrid to the funny guard standing outside the entrance hall, is imperialist. they believe in empire. they serve empire. an empire is still an empire when it's not in the process of expanding, and an empire defending itself from another empire is still an empire. territory is still gained, and maintained, through the process of imperialism, and there's not a single character (outside of perhaps claude) who can envision a world without imperialism.
Words have meanings and saying them repeatedly while insisting they mean something else doesn't change what those meanings are. Isolationism isn't imperialism. Monarchism isn't (inherently) imperialism. War for reasons other than seizing territory and expanding physical or political borders is not imperialism. Imperialism is imperialism. This is no more politically coherent than the people who insist that Edelgard is a fascist.
It's only natural that Crimson Flower will be biased towards Edelgard's cause. I enjoyed the story but there was a lot of unanswered questions, so I know I don't have a full picture of the machinations of Fodlan. Isn't it fair to say that the other routes are going to have their own biases? My views on Edelgard will probably change to some degree after having more information, but I don't see my like for her as a character changing. She's a flawed character with much blood on her hands, no doubt. I don't think anyone is going to think, I hope not anyway, that Edelgard is 100% right in her ambitions and methods. Also plot contrivances have to be taken into consideration. When you sit down and think about it, it's fucking wild that all three house leaders are young adults and in positions of major power.
Not as much as you'd think, no. CF is def considered the black sheep, as the way that certain key characters act in CF is completely different to how they act in pretty much every other route.
Dimitri actually remakes the unified Fodlan into a Constitutional Monarchy.
that is still imperialism. for one, having a constitution doesn't preclude imperialism (the british empire spread entirely under the rule of a constitutional monarchy) and secondly, gaining through political means what edelgard gained through force is still imperialism (and I would also argue that, given this is a military strategy game, everyone is gaining and maintaining territory through force in one way or another). the other characters believe edelgard is doing things the wrong way, but they are all also under the impression that there is a right way to rule the entirety of fodlan--either through constitutional monarchy, or maintaining the church's power, or allowing all the noble families to partake in parliament, etc.
i feel like people are taking this as a criticism of the game or the characters, but i really don't mean it that way. i legitimately think the game would suck if there were characters with 100% "correct" political opinions.
No. People are taking your argument that literally anything that isn't borderless anarchism is Imperialism as wrong.
"Unifying" Fodlan is absolutely imperialism. None of the other lords have any legit claims on Adrestria, but they still conquer and absorb it into their "United Fodlan" (or newly expanded Faerghus in the case of AM). They just sack Enbarr, kill Edelgard and are like, guess Adrestria is all mine now. Brigid too, maybe, depending on if Petra survived??
Edelgard at least has an ideological underpinning to her actions. The borders of the Kingdom, Alliance and even the Empire itself are all just the ways Fodlan has been carved up by nobles to tax as part of the very system of nobility that she aims to tear down. If the church and crests are bullshit, then the right of nobles is also bullshit and their claims to territory is illegitimate. It's still conquest, but it at least has better ideological and moral groundwork than the writ of "finder's keepers" that everyone else invokes to annex Adrestria.
On original topic, I voted Crimson Flower because while Claude's Almyran adventures could take place in any route, it would be more interesting if it was one where he had to pick himself up against after leaving Fodlan. He also goes back to Almyra in VW, but it would be hard to tell any sort of underdog story if he could call upon his
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They sack Enbarr because they're literally being invaded by Enbarr. This is as ridiculous the "if you hate bloodshed so much why do you keep defending yourself when I attack you" nonsense Edelgard fires off at Dimitri in her route. Neither Claude nor Dimitri set out to conquer the Empire, they set out to to end a war that Edelgard started. Hell, Claude doesn't intend to stick around in Fodlan at all. The Empire gets its entire leadership structure decapitated half from Edelgard's own culling of leaders who oppose her and half from the war. Adrestia folds itself into unfied Fodlan because it has nowhere else to go. At no point does any side set out with the intention unify Fodlan at all, let alone take over the Empire. But somebody started a war that left all three nations in tatters and that's how they picked up the pieces.
Firstly: The nobility doesn't exist due to crests. There are noble houses that don't have any. Nobility exists because people with wealth and power tend to form these kinds of systems. The most powerful noble houses have crests because it turns out having super powers tends to make it easier to accrue wealth and power.
Secondly: Fodlan is "carved up" because half of the continent got tired of being under the Empire's rule. Then half of the nation that came from that got tired of being under the Kingdom's rule.
Thirdly: Edelgard isn't opposed to the Nobility. She's opposed to Crests and heritage being the basis upon which one's merit is judged. She explicitly leaves the nobility intact in her ending.
Don't injure yourself reaching so hard.
So not only you are using the both sides argument here, but you are also implying that Edelgard is the only one that is ideological right...
Nah it isnt how things work. You can't excuse Imperialism because your ideology is correct or you think is correct. It is just the same thing the US do with their "Freedom" bs.
Silver Snow yea I fucking said it. I truly believe that's the route you could bullshit all of them staying alive in.
As much as I (somewhat ironically) stan for Edelgard, they won't do a direct sequel to Three Houses for the same reason EA won't do a direct sequel (or at least doesn't want to) to ME3.
Characters die, very different outcomes for the story setting, and people are gonna be pissed if their chosen/favorite route isn't canon.
So unless they do a golden route (and IS has specifically said they won't), there won't be a direct sequel.
And honestly, Edelgard's route has a several big holes and is clearly rushed/unfinished - IF there were to be a sequel, it would take the ME:Andromeda copout and have it take place in Almyra years/decades down the line, and/or be a prequel with Seiros.
Even if Edelgard somehow is kept alive, what would be the plot?
Unless you go against the slitherers (which already happens in Verdant wind) what even would the plot be??
(Unless you 'remake' the game to form the golden route?)
Characters die, very different outcomes for the story setting, and people are gonna be pissed if their chosen/favorite route isn't canon.
So unless they do a golden route (and IS has specifically said they won't), there won't be a direct sequel.
And honestly, Edelgard's route has a several big holes and is clearly rushed/unfinished - IF there were to be a sequel, it would take the ME:Andromeda copout and have it take place in Almyra years/decades down the line, and/or be a prequel with Seiros.
Even if Edelgard somehow is kept alive, what would be the plot?
Unless you go against the slitherers (which already happens in Verdant wind) what even would the plot be??
(Unless you 'remake' the game to form the golden route?)
Crimson Flower with a few changes.
Claude is obviously spared. He leaves Fodlan but returns to help out given you'll need his help against THSITD.
Dimitri doesn't die, he's spared too. Edelgard says he'll return in her thing but there will be a part of the game where Sensei knocks some sense into him forcing him to change so he joins your forces.
Rhea obviously ain't living so that's still good.
Basically it's war against THSITD and those who are causing problems but you've got the other lords behind you this time.
Claude is obviously spared. He leaves Fodlan but returns to help out given you'll need his help against THSITD.
Dimitri doesn't die, he's spared too. Edelgard says he'll return in her thing but there will be a part of the game where Sensei knocks some sense into him forcing him to change so he joins your forces.
Rhea obviously ain't living so that's still good.
Basically it's war against THSITD and those who are causing problems but you've got the other lords behind you this time.
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Whatever was the initial intention at the start of the war doesn't matter when it still ends with annexing your opponent. And killing the current leadership of Adrestia doesn't make the entire empire suddenly up for grabs. This would be like if in the wake of WWII, America made Japan its 51st state. The war with Japan might have started defensively, but an opportunistic grab at imperialism is still imperialism. The other lords don't just occupy Adrestria, they take it over. There' no "reaching" involved in this matter.
The nobility absolutely exists because crests, backed by the church. This dates all the way back to the foundation of the empire, when the first emperor was crowned by Seiros and the 10 Elites served as the foundation of the noble houses. The whole basis of the nobility is their divine right to rule, made manifest by crests as blessings from the goddess. House Daphnel is in decline and lost its roundtable status precisely because their crest has not appeared in generations. Crests being the foundation of the nobility is the entire reason Edelgard went to war with the church.
The Alliance came to be in an inheritance dispute, not a popular uprising. They had a 20 year war because some archduke died and nobles fought for who would rule the territory he left. And the alliance itself a bunch of sovereign nobles who war and feud among themselves for territory (Lorenz' paralogue is a prime example of this)
Edelgard explicitly leaves the nobility intact? Check again. She explicitly does not.
Directly from her ending cards
I'm not sure how you can look at her endings specifically calling out that she reformed the antiquated class system and tore down the social hierarchy to mean anything but that.
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So why is CF the one you feel like retconing into an everyone lives scenario?
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Mostly because of Edelgard's character development in the other paths. I think if we go with Dimitri's path in an everyone lives scenario it would be harder to have Edelgard go back face after how she was in the other paths compared to her own. In hers Claude's good and even though Dimitri's Dimitri I think it would be easier and more believable to have him join compared to her joining you.
Basically all because of her. Any of the other paths could work in an everybody lives scenario but for her portion they'd have to dedicate a long time for her face turn to really make sense after how she was in the other paths.
I'm not handwaving it and I know that. In my previous post before the one you quoted I said that there'd have to be a portion that Sensei knocks some sense into him so he'd eventually rejoin. There's going to be time before he'd eventually work with her again after how he feels. What I'm saying is that say there is time for Dimitri, I think there would be even more time for Edelgard to join you guys after what she did in the other paths.
Basically Dimitri and Edelgard will both need a lot of time before they're cool with the other regardless of what path's chosen. I think Edelgard's going to need more time is all.
You are bending over backwards hardcore to make CF into some sort of golden route.
Dimitri joins Edelgard because "He gets some sort of sense knocked into him"?
You are off living in some sort of fanfiction fantasy land.
Frankly, a Golden route where all three lords live isn't really possible, it just makes no sense for the characters involved.