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So apparently Ash is going to continue as the main character of the Pokemon anime.
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Spongebob was revealed to be in his 20's years ago and there are animated shows where characters age. Dragon Ball for example.
And was worse for it, I love going back to those episodes, even the shittier arcs. Like 5 minutes into any of the sequels and it's a big ole NOPE
OG Yugioh is overrated. 5Ds dark signer arc is better than anything OG ever produced by a decent margin, and plenty of the other series have better arcs too. Plus even if we discount battle kingdom rules that are just pure bullshit, none of the "strategies" in OG Yugioh are really impressive or cool compared to later series where they had a better grasp of the actual card game
I wouldn't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if the plot structure and storytelling was better. But no YGO cast of characters will ever be as charming or likable as the OG crew
People are desperate for Red, an even blanker slate, to take his place.
I don't understand people bringing up them or their friends being tired of Ash's journey when the show is targeted at kids who know little to nothing about that.
So they replaced Naruto with someone like himself?
I'm pretty sure that's referring to Ho-Oh
I strongly disagree with this, but eh.
Obviously to the producers, animators, writers, everyone who's funding it, and the audience, it's not a big deal.
I'm talking in real life age he must be in his 30's/40's by now lol
Imagine if they did an open casting call for the killer. Line would literally wrap around the world twice over.
That's because that isn't the goal and never was. They don't care about the older audience and are rightfully more interested in capturing the imagination of literally every generation of kids and their parents' wallets.
There is no bitter end. Just happy new adventures tailored for each new generation.
Yeah, that's kinda my point. Which, y'know, is also why it's so stupid that they've kept Ash around for so long when they could do a lot more to uniquely tailor those adventures if they went for a new protag each gen instead of keeping Ash's prolonged journey of failure going and creating generation after generation of bitter fucks.
1- The whole point of the Cell Saga was to dump Goku and move Gohan up to lead status. The artist decided to go back on that idea later though.
2- I think the point of this thread is that if this is just business as usual for Ash then why TF have they not allowed him to win til now? They set it up so that he would never be good enough to win a league and always have to start from the bottom as a no-name in a new land cause he's a fucking loser and no one remembers number 2 or 3 or 8 or w/e. Winning should be the end of this underdog status and elevate him to the big boys table, have a new protag in a time set years later who looks up to him and also wants to be the very best. They would be different but also have that same spark of kindness and creativity that makes you think that maybe, just maybe this kid has it in them.
But this is Pokemon anime so fuck progression it I guess.
They did, back when Pokemon contest were a thing. With May is started off kinda shaky but Pokemon contest would become the focus of like half the damn series with fully fleshed out stories and arcs and rivals for the female lead, even bringing in Team Rocket's Jessie ... until GF stopped making it a thing I guess and the series brang in Iris.
They literally set up the elite 4 and champion end game after winning the league back in the gen 4 anime, they had a way to continue the storyline even after ash won the league, not to mention even without that the league stopped being the olympics of the world of pokemon and more of a regional tournament you can win, hence Ash wouldn't be a Master with just one league win.
i hope it's pushing over the little guy just to make himself feel big
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That is one way of thinking. The other is to not rock the boat and keep the branding/merchandise the same so
that all the various generations still have points that they all resonate with. The people who actually get bitter over minor narrative points
in one of the most consistent and beautifully produced anime series to ever grace the industry should be locked in a room and forced to watch the recent Berserk and Saint Seiya CG anime series non stop until they realize just how good they have it.
Note that in Japan Ash doesn't even have a last name...he's just Satoshi.
Sometimes I wonder if they'll ever reveal it to be Tajirii but that might be too on the nose.
Now I want a Pikachu that goes and smacks food out of nerd Pokemon hands.
Winning a league doesn't mean becoming a Pokémon Master. The anime established this 10 years ago.
People seem to forget this and complain that the anime hasn't changed to suit their desires. It's really curious
Ash even said that beating the league, getting to the Champion League and winning that to become a Champion Master is just "a step on the way to becomnig a Pokémon Master"
Yeah, I could understand if they are just stating their own reasons for losing interest in the series or whatever, but it usually seems to come from the angle of someone thinking that TPC is missing out on some potential audience or something.
I feel like if you are second-guessing the decisions behind a multi-billion dollar IP that has never shown any real signs of floundering after decades in the spotlight, you should really step back and ask yourself if you have the design/business/marketing/whatever acumen to actually make those kinds of statements!
TPC is quite possibly the GOAT at keeping an IP relevant but every arm chair analyst thinks they know better.
If the show is targeted at kids who don't know nor care about Ash being *the* protagonist then there's also no harm in ditching him
Because this league is actually about Kukui's dream first and foremost
The only people who would believe that are arm chair analysts who have no actual experience in marketing or branding. They have also probably not thought critically about why Tony Stark is still Iron Man, Peter Parker is still Spider-Man etc.
Ditching a main character like that creates a rift immediately that weakens the entire image they are selling. While the older fans are definitely not a focus for the IP, it absolutely is a plus to still have the same characters so that on some level the father buying their son a new pokemon lunchbox can resonate with them and possibly be even more generous!
And thats not even getting into the idea that Satoshi/Ash comes as a package with Pikachu, easily a top 5 iconic character in the world. Would you also ditch Pikachi? Would you bring a new character but just have him use a pikachu as well? Then what is the point?
If you think dropping Pikachu from the franchise would be a good idea...then I don't even know where to start. Heh
We're sold that when?
Red is a pokèmon trainer, not a pokèmon hugger like Ash. That's the entire point of Origins, i reckon.
That's why moments of affection shine: Because they're rare.
But Wishiwashi could be an equally good mascot for the franchise
If they replaced Ash before this point, no one would have cared who won the Alola League, meaning that the publicity that comes from news headlines from around the world would be completely negated.
The boost to the series that comes from Ash having a history with his Pokémon and his achievements far outweighs the benefits of dropping everything and getting a new protagonist every few years.
The boost to the series that comes from Ash having a history with his Pokémon and his achievements far outweighs the benefits of dropping everything and getting a new protagonist every few years.
They are doing new things. They're not focusing on one region this generation and are hitting every region. This follows on from them doing new things of having Ash not travel around a region constantly but rather have a home base at a Pokémon School in Alola
that's not how people interact with one anotherbut sure
but as I explained above, this was established in the first episode and is a key part of what supposedly makes him different from Blue.
catching a bunch of monsters just to more or less leave them on a shelf doesn't really work outside of a game conceit; especially not for a character that's supposedly supposed to be empathetic.
