So a black man who was involved in outing pedophiles was found hanging from a tree in my town the other day, (Amani Kildea)

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this is surreal so I'm probably not gonna be able to get all of what I want to say out but holy shit

His name was Amani Kildea, he was 20 years old, graduated army reserves basic and was going to college in the fall. Also part of an amateur pedophile sting operation that tried to entrap pedophiles and people are suggesting that may be why. Some authorities give reasons as to why doing this stuff yourself isn't recommended which makes sense but also uh... kinda needed if the authorities are in on it or not doing anything like in that other town a week or two ago.

Morris County prosecutor ruled it a suicide and the family didn't protest that but there was backlash and they're re-examining the case (as they should even if it does end up being a suicide). He was found an hour from his house too and there's some other things that the articles talk about as to why the local BLM chapter is demanding a better investigation and whatnot

Activists question ruling of suicide in hanging of black man, suggest he was targeted for hunting pedophiles | Morristown Green

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Amani Kildea, the 20-Year-Old Ethiopian American Found Hanging in New Jersey

Amani Kildea - full name Amanuel Tamirat Kildea - was the 20-year-old Ethiopian American found hanging in Morris County, New Jersey, according to the Daily Record.

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Shit is crazy, hope the family can find peace and answers throughout all of this.

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Lost Lemurian · Jul 7, 2020

The idea that anyone could rule a black man hanging from a tree as "suicide" is just insane.

These are lynchings. Every single one of them.

YaBish · Jul 7, 2020

What the fuck. That's crazy.

Hope that there's closure for his family.

Deleted member 31817 · Jul 7, 2020

Lost Lemurian said:
The idea that anyone could rule a black man hanging from a tree as "suicide" is just insane.

These are lynchings. Every single one of them.

The ruling was apparently done with no investigation either. Like there's a very small possibility that it was a suicide but come the fuck on

Khanimus · Jul 7, 2020

Jesus

FlyingLlama · Jul 7, 2020

I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

mattiewheels · Jul 7, 2020

Lost Lemurian said:
The idea that anyone could rule a black man hanging from a tree as "suicide" is just insane.

These are lynchings. Every single one of them.

There have been three others, right? I haven't heard a peep about any of those, and hanging from a tree in public cannot be ruled a suicide. I hope we don't lose the momentum on these people.

Lost Lemurian · Jul 7, 2020

mattiewheels said:
There have been three others, right? I haven't heard a peep about any of those, and hanging from a tree in public cannot be ruled a suicide. I hope we don't lose the momentum in these people.

I feel like there have been more than three...

Deleted member 31817 · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

There were other people in the group too though. The fact that they hung him from a tree is deliberately because of his race even if that's not the first reason why he was targeted.

Kemal86 · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

...you really don't think his race came in to play when he was hung from a tree.......??????????????????????

super-famicom · Jul 7, 2020

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Zen · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

I hope every last one of them is caught and thrown in prison for life. Damn

Glasfrut · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

I don't see how one can dissociate the imagery/race here.

Even if we assume it's because he stepped on some toes, the decision to hang a black man from a tree comes with baggage, history, and symbolism.

If he got too close to something and you're trying to tell people to not look closer...hanging a black man from a tree would be the last thing you should do.

FlyingLlama · Jul 7, 2020

Kemal86 said:
...you really don't think his race came in to play when he was hung from a tree.......??????????????????????

No I don't unless I'm missing something? I genuinely think he upset some people and whoever had done so would suffer the same fate.

What makes you think it was racial? Genuine question by the way.

Edit: as pointed out above the history completely went over my head here and I can only apologise for missing that.

R.I.P to him and I hope his family get the justice they deserve.

Deleted member 31817 · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
No I don't unless I'm missing something? I genuinely think he upset some people and whoever had done so would suffer the same fate.

What makes you think it was racial? Genuine question by the way.

I mean there are a lot of ways to kill someone. To make a public display out of it with a black man hanging from a tree is... loaded to say the least.

Zen · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
No I don't unless I'm missing something? I genuinely think he upset some people and whoever had done so would suffer the same fate.

What makes you think it was racial? Genuine question by the way.

It has to do with the history of lynchings in the US which were a favored method of murdering black people by white supremacists

FlyingLlama · Jul 7, 2020

Zen said:
It has to do with the history of lynchings in the US which were a favored method of murdering black people by white supremacists

As I said above in my edit I apologise. I am not from the US so it hadn't crossed my mind until pointed out.

Deleted member 4532 · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

He was hung from a tree. That is a modern day lynching.

Zen · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
As I said above in my edit I apologise. I am not from the US so it hadn't crossed my mind until pointed out.

All good, I assumed you weren't familiar with it.

TaySan · Jul 7, 2020

This was a murder no doubt in my mind. Probably to cover their own crimes he was in the process of exposing. Whoever did this needs the book thrown at them.

Deleted member 25606 · Jul 7, 2020

Ah, another black man "committing suicide" by hanging themselves from a tree for public display. I just can't anymore, burn it all fucking down.

Glasfrut · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
As I said above in my edit I apologise. I am not from the US so it hadn't crossed my mind until pointed out.

I think you should add the same edit to your first post just to avoid people dogpiling you when they scan the first few posts.

Deleted member 8257 · Jul 7, 2020

Looks like the county is scared shitless of this being classified as a federal hate crime scene. Were there no nearby cameras?

Elegant Weapon · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
No I don't unless I'm missing something? I genuinely think he upset some people and whoever had done so would suffer the same fate.

What makes you think it was racial? Genuine question by the way.

Edit: as pointed out above the history completely went over my head here and I can only apologise for missing that.

I hate how often people make big declarative statements that somehow overlook glaring basic information especially when it comes to topics of race

Deleted member 27771 · Jul 7, 2020

I've been following these cases and a few weeks ago one was shown to be a suicide as the family members were shown a video from a nearby building. Suicide is fucked up and complicated and I while we can and should demand more answers I think immediately dismissing it is problematic.

andymoogle · Jul 7, 2020

Fuck out of here with all of these immediate suicide rulings. Absolutely disgusting.

RIP Amani

J-Skee · Jul 7, 2020

I promise all of you, no black man is hanging himself with a noose from a tree. Fuck that.

...OMG this happened in my state. WTF.

Royalan · Jul 7, 2020

For anybody wanting to know why Black people aren't quick to buy the story that these are suicides we're looking at, look at this video:

This is the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Alabama. It is hard to visit this place and not shed a tear.

Each column hanging from the ceiling represents a US county, engraved on which are the names of every Black person hung from a tree in that county.

So please understand if some of us aren't quick to buy the provided excuse that all of these recent incidents are suicides.

Neo C. · Jul 7, 2020

I don't understand why the authorities are that quick to rule it as a suicide. After all these protests, they should know that people will never accept it without a proper investigation. It only makes them look bad when they don't do an investigation.

Nepenthe · Jul 7, 2020

Royalan said:
Each column hanging from the ceiling represents a US county, engraved on which are the names of every Black person hung from a tree in that county.

I thought each column was a single victim, but a county? Goes without saying this country is just fucking evil.

Royalan · Jul 7, 2020

Nepenthe said:
I thought each column was a single victim, but a county? Goes without saying this country is just fucking evil.

ME TOO

Commander Quackers · Jul 7, 2020

how odd all these black folks are suddenly lynching themselves

how very odd

HamSandwich · Jul 7, 2020

Damn, I'm not sure how far you are from Morristown but this is something I didn't expect to happen there.

taro · Jul 7, 2020

After reading the other thread where the guy was threatened with lynching among other things, I was all too happy that we didn't see that occur. Now to read this, it just sucks. RIP to Amani 20 is so young.

BumbaT BrowN · Jul 7, 2020

I hope there is justice for Amanis death one day. Sorry, but what I really meant was I hope there is vengeance for Amani's death, justice is too good for these racist pedos.

WhiteRabbitEXE · Jul 7, 2020

FlyingLlama said:
I'm not sure his race was the issue here, I think he had stepped on some toes and was getting too close to some information.

I mean at the absolute least it factored into the instantaneous "well nothing suspicious to see here, just a suicide, move along" response, but even then JUST that being the extent of it seems... extremely unlikely.

Malkier · Jul 7, 2020

Wtf, how old is that museum and why is this the first I ever heard of it?

Penny Royal · Jul 7, 2020

If he'd 'stepped on toes' there are a million different ways to kill someone that doesn't have the history of a lynching.

Very clearly linked to his skin colour.

Quick question - who is the official responsible for assessing and declaring cause of death inthis county/state?

Might seem like a random question, but after reading 'Democracy in Chains' and Koch's machinations to place r-wingers into state legal roles it would be worth finding out if that official is a member of any of the lobby groups, think tanks or other networks like Americans for Prosperity.

Cuburger · Jul 7, 2020

I'm sure there are many cases of suicides that police don't look into because there are many common signs that it's a suicide, but I'm sure there are also cases where the police just overlook other signs willfully or incompetently and don't look any further when there could be some potential of foul play just based on the circumstances.

I also wonder how often the family just accepts the police story that it was suicide despite any personal doubts or disbelief.

Lower_Frequency said:
I've been following these cases and a few weeks ago one was shown to be a suicide as the family members were shown a video from a nearby building. Suicide is fucked up and complicated and I while we can and should demand more answers I think immediately dismissing it is problematic.

Which case was this with the video?

Pandora012 · Jul 7, 2020

Cuburger said:
I'm sure there are many cases of suicides that police don't look into because there are many common signs that it's a suicide, but I'm sure there are also cases where the police just overlook other signs willfully or incompetently and don't look any further when there could be some potential of foul play just based on the circumstances.

I also wonder how often the family just accepts the police story that it was suicide despite any personal doubts or disbelief.

Which case was this with the video?

Malcolm Harsch, there was a thread posted on this a few weeks ago when people thought it was suspicious.

mikhailguy · Jul 7, 2020

No offense to this kid and not trying to joke about his death, but this form of vigilantism always seemed self serving to me. So easy to take the moral high ground. Seems more about relishing in the shaming of would be criminals rather than protecting kids.

The name of his group, "pedo got caught," speaks to that sensationalism of justice.

ProfessorLobo · Jul 7, 2020

I'm going to keep making this point. It's understandable why people would jump to foul play in these situations given historical context, but it's still quite likely these are suicides.

When a hanging victim is found, someone doesn't flip a coin to determine whether it's a suicide or foul play, foul play is usually readily apparent. There are other indicators, like whether the hands are bound or not, that also makes it obvious.

I still think it's a bit distasteful to try to make lynching narratives out of suicides that not even the family is contesting.

Haze · Jul 7, 2020

Dozens of black people have been found hanging from trees over the last month or so and there's been almost 0 mainstream media coverage of it.

el jacko · Jul 7, 2020

In one of the comments attached to the article in the OP, a commenter states that this guy's pedo-hunter group had outed "the Netcong mayor's pedo kid" which, isn't that like four towns over? I'm not super familiar with NJ suburban geography but aren't a lot of these places filled with suburban "law and order" racist republicans?

Someone else mentions their group outed a violent cop. Sounds like these guys were inadvertently stepping on some bigger toes. It's really horrible what happened to this guy, so I hope the spotlight brings him justice and helps root out some of the local thugs, racists, and feudalistic criminals along the way.

HeySeuss · Jul 7, 2020

Haze said:
Dozens of black people have been found hanging from trees over the last month or so and there's been almost 0 mainstream media coverage of it.

I've only heard of 3 or 4? The one in Palmdale was a suicide as there was video from a building security camera that caught the entire incident. CNN had an article that updated it a week after it happened.

Haze · Jul 7, 2020

HeySeuss said:
I've only heard of 3 or 4? The one in Palmdale was a suicide as there was video from a building security camera that caught the entire incident. CNN had an article that updated it a week after it happened.

Im misremembering the amount but at least 6 as of early June. There were 4 within a 3 week period.

Messofanego · Jul 7, 2020

ProfessorLobo said:
I'm going to keep making this point. It's understandable why people would jump to foul play in these situations given historical context, but it's still quite likely these are suicides.

When a hanging victim is found, someone doesn't flip a coin to determine whether it's a suicide or foul play, foul play is usually readily apparent. There are other indicators, like whether the hands are bound or not, that also makes it obvious.

I still think it's a bit distasteful to try to make lynching narratives out of suicides that not even the family is contesting.

Even if it was a suicide, how is that possible to hang from a tree, like was it a really low branch, and why do it publicly hanging from a tree an hour away from the home?

Deleted member 16876 · Jul 7, 2020

May he rest in peace.

Not sure I buy this "suicide" bullshit. Seems way too suspicious.

I hope he and his family get justice.

Wordballoons · Jul 7, 2020

Haze said:
Dozens of black people have been found hanging from trees over the last month or so and there's been almost 0 mainstream media coverage of it.

Isn't there a law or something in the US that says you can't typically report when something is officially labelled a suicide or something. I remember seeing it in a thread. Makes sense generally until you see heinous stuff like this that is super questionable

Edit: even if this were a bunch of suicides, it still would mean that a bunch of black men are in such despair that they are taking their lives in an incredibly violent way to send a message about the US. Shit's disturbing no matter how you try and rationalise it.

So a black man who was involved in outing pedophiles was found hanging from a tree in my town the other day, (Amani Kildea)

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