SNES Switch Online now available!

Miles Davis · Sep 6, 2019

Anoregon said:
I always use CRT/scanline filters when playing old sprite stuff on my TV but not sure if I like it handheld. Hmm.

In general small screens probably work better with raw pixel output since you can't really see individual pixels that well. But a lot of games look like a hot mess when you play them on the big screen IMO and were never really intended to be blown up like that without CRT blending. I honestly cannot stand raw pixels on large screens unless the pixels are very detailed.

Can someone tell me how the CRT filter is on this? Did they put work into it, or does it just look like a really crappy CRT line filter.

Bushido · Sep 6, 2019

Started with the games I had never played (or even heard of) before and gotta say: Demon's Crest and Joe & Mac are actually quite fun.

KennyLinder · Sep 6, 2019

Gig said:
Time Played counter is huge. Was this is NES and I just missed it?

It's had that for a while (maybe since the start?). It was certainly there after I played through Mario 1 on it, and that was ages ago.

ZiggyPalffyLA · Sep 6, 2019

SMD said:
Anyone else finding the joycons extremely unresponsive and generally just shit with this?

There have been times I went to swing my sword in Zelda and it either doesn't work or there's a split second delay.

Beer Monkey · Sep 6, 2019

Miles Davis said:
Can someone tell me how the CRT filter is on this? Did they put work into it, or does it just look like a really crappy CRT line filter.

Oh they threw some fake analog noise in there just because for whatever reason Sonic Mania is far too good for them to emulate.

Deleted member 10737 · Sep 6, 2019

posting this here as well, here are the first party titles i want to come:

Super Mario All-Stars
EarthBound
Super Punch-Out!!
Donkey Kong Country
Wario's Woods
Kirby's Avalanche
Mario's Super Picross
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (they would need SE's permission i think?)
Kirby Super Star
Tetris Attack
Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!
Dr. Mario
Metal Slader Glory: Director's Cut (not gonna happen)
Star Fox 2

i think most of them will eventually be added

Couleurs · Sep 6, 2019

I didn't play the NES games in Switch and haven't had a chance to try SNES games yet, but do the NES/SNES games allow for save states or do you have to save a game normally (for those that even have saves)?

mntorankusu · Sep 6, 2019

Miles Davis said:
In general small screens probably work better with raw pixel output since you can't really see individual pixels that well. But a lot of games look like a hot mess when you play them on the big screen IMO and were never really intended to be blown up like that without CRT blending. I honestly cannot stand raw pixels on large screens unless the pixels are very detailed.

Can someone tell me how the CRT filter is on this? Did they put work into it, or does it just look like a really crappy CRT line filter.

It does a nice job of emulating an analog signal by applying a horizontal linear filter, but they also added in some composite video artifacts which are pretty ugly. It's a shame you can't customize the effect a little to decide how you'd like it filtered. Separate options for filter type, scanlines, and composite signal simulation would be neat, but that's too in-depth for Nintendo.

SMD · Sep 6, 2019

Couleurs said:
I didn't play the NES games in Switch and haven't had a chance to try SNES games yet, but do the NES/SNES games allow for save states or do you have to save a game normally (for those that even have saves)?

Both

Deleted member 2793 · Sep 6, 2019

mazi said:
Metal Slader Glory: Director's Cut (not gonna happen)

If you mean translated, probably not. But it had a japanese VC release on Wii U.

SwitchedOff · Sep 6, 2019

Rhennik said:
PSA

Nintendo released digital versions of the instruction manuals for all the games included in the SNES Classic (many of which are now on NSO).

Highly recommended reading for the art, lore, and controls. It's a wonderfully nostalgic compliment to this awesome new Switch feature.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/en_us/index.html

Wow, excellent! (I never bought a SNES Clasic so wasn't aware of these). :-)

giallo · Sep 6, 2019

Why would you do that? said:
I posted instructions in this thread, post #122. Hope it helps!

Awesome. Thanks a lot.

SwitchedOff · Sep 6, 2019

phonicjoy said:
Do they have the manuals for these games up somewhere? I can't just figure stuff out anymore, im old.

Some of them, yes:

Super Nintendo Entertainment System™ Super NES Classic Edition Manuals | Nintendo

You can download the manual of Super NES Classic Edition.

www.nintendo.co.jp

(these are the games for the SNES Classic so you'll not see all of the SNES games released for the Switch).

TheEchosOfTheCyborg · Sep 6, 2019

So like with the NES App, can you download the Super Famicon app as well if you also have a Japanese account because the Switch is Region Free?

MrKlaw · Sep 6, 2019

TheEchosOfTheCyborg said:
So like with the NES App, can you download the Super Famicon app as well if you also have a Japanese account because the Switch is Region Free?

any differences in the lineup?

when should we expect the controllers to be available to order? On the uk site they have a product page and price but no buy/preorder button (even when signed in)

TheThirstyPrisoner · Sep 6, 2019

Miles Davis said:
Can someone tell me how the CRT filter is on this? Did they put work into it, or does it just look like a really crappy CRT line filter.

I usually like scan lines and CRT filters a lot, but I turned this one on for like a minute and immediately went to Pixel Perfect. The CRT filter just looked messy to me.

Deleted member 12186 · Sep 6, 2019

Is there one that provides cheats for any of the games?

TheEchosOfTheCyborg · Sep 6, 2019

MrKlaw said:
any differences in the lineup?

when should we expect the controllers to be available to order? On the uk site they have a product page and price but no buy/preorder button (even when signed in)

Not yet but the Famicom app got several games the NES one didn't so it's nice to have both, plus it's nice looking at the different artwork.

Nitpicker_Red · Sep 6, 2019

Hurray for Demon's Crest!

MrKlaw said:
any differences in the lineup?

So far (launch) the japanese list of games is nearly identical to the other ones. Is the Tennis game is just a name difference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_Online#SNES_games

Based on the list for NES games (scroll up) this might change in the future.

th1nk · Sep 6, 2019

Does pixel perfect retain the correct aspect ratio of games? What disadvantages does 4:3 mode have? Thanks!

Robin64 · Sep 6, 2019

Actually there is one difference between the Super NES and Super Famicom lineups.

The Super NES app has Super Tennis while the Super Famicom app has Super Family Tennis (which came out in the west as Smash Tennis)

These are not the same tennis game.

KillGore · Sep 6, 2019

TheEchosOfTheCyborg said:
So like with the NES App, can you download the Super Famicon app as well if you also have a Japanese account because the Switch is Region Free?

Yup

TheEchosOfTheCyborg · Sep 6, 2019

Robin64 said:
Actually there is one difference between the Super NES and Super Famicom lineups.

The Super NES app has Super Tennis while the Super Famicom app has Super Family Tennis (which came out in the west as Smash Tennis)

These are not the same tennis game.

But will the game that allows you to play Football with Godzilla, Ultraman, Gundam and Kamen Rider be there?

Dreams-Visions · Sep 6, 2019

Do I have any reason to hope that UN Squadron and TMNT Turtles In Time will come to this service?

Blackpuppy · Sep 6, 2019

th1nk said:
Does pixel perfect retain the correct aspect ratio of games? What disadvantages does 4:3 mode have? Thanks!

That's a tricky question...

Pixel perfect just means that each pixel is a square like modern screens.

However, CRTs did not use square pixels - in fact they don't use pixels at all. It's just a beam of light drawn in lines, left to right and from top to bottom.

The CRT doesn't care what aspect ratio the original console was processing the pixels inside their PPUs: it's going to draw a 4:3 image on the screen.

So the internal 8:7 aspect ratio of the SNES will automatically be stretched out to 4:3 when playing on a CRT. This is how everyone played these games back in the day.

So it really comes down to preference: do you prefer square pixels, or how the image is displayed on a CRT? When playing in stretched 4:3 mode, you can have upscaling artifacts because each pixel is no longer a square. I've personally never had a problem with this.

carlosrox · Sep 6, 2019

Is it just me or do these look really great?

Just played a little bit of LTTP and made it far into SGNG.

Skyfireblaze · Sep 6, 2019

Robin64 said:
Actually there is one difference between the Super NES and Super Famicom lineups.

The Super NES app has Super Tennis while the Super Famicom app has Super Family Tennis (which came out in the west as Smash Tennis)

These are not the same tennis game.

My god I loved Super Tennis as a kid but this plays so much better o.o

Simba1 · Sep 6, 2019

Velocity:Design:Comfort said:
You joke but I've seen people just literally not get this. Apparently they think there's some magic button that draws the rest of the game?

I mean plenty of emulators have support for full screen, I think it would be better if Nintendo included 16:9 option also.

Deleted member 8791 · Sep 6, 2019

I tried Joe & Mac 2 and it was surprisingly good. Rewind feature is golden, I'm not interested in replaying sections and it lets you decide difficulty for yourself.

prizna · Sep 6, 2019

Is there any chance that we'll get some of the Square games from the SNES Classic on the SNES app? Is it possible that Nintendo could have gotten rights to add them to the SNES app as part of the agreement for the SNES Classic?

bazzi · Sep 6, 2019

Haven't played almost all of these games before, so it's a bunch of new experiences

They're so cooooool

Bazry · Sep 6, 2019

Giving us NA boxart in Europe is really lazy, I want my SMK to have a Blue box dammit

carlosrox · Sep 6, 2019

Prince of Persia please.

Godly soundtrack, I need it.

Executive Taxi · Sep 6, 2019

I just played a bunch of Super Mario World with my friend via the Internet and it worked really well?! We had 0 bars (yes zero) and it still worked with little to no lag!

this is really surprising considering how NES games were unplayable for us

KennyLinder · Sep 6, 2019

Bazry said:
Giving us NA boxart in Europe is really lazy, I want my SMK to have a Blue box dammit

I guess because we're getting the 60hz games so they don't bother to localise the boxart. At least we aren't getting the PAL versions of the actual games though!

th1nk · Sep 6, 2019

Blackpuppy said:
That's a tricky question...

Pixel perfect just means that each pixel is a square like modern screens.

However, CRTs did not use square pixels - in fact they don't use pixels at all. It's just a beam of light drawn in lines, left to right and from top to bottom.

The CRT doesn't care what aspect ratio the original console was processing the pixels inside their PPUs: it's going to draw a 4:3 image on the screen.

So the internal 8:7 aspect ratio of the SNES will automatically be stretched out to 4:3 when playing on a CRT. This is how everyone played these games back in the day.

So it really comes down to preference: do you prefer square pixels, or how the image is displayed on a CRT? When playing in stretched 4:3 mode, you can have upscaling artifacts because each pixel is no longer a square. I've personally never had a problem with this.

Thanks a lot, i suspected this. So the games are designed for 4:3 and appear slightly squished in pixel perfect mode, got it! ☺ Will keep playing in 4:3 as I did not see any scaling artifacts.

Also, it seems I never actually played though Zelda: Link to the Past... I always thought I did, but actually the experience seems so fresh to me that it seems I only played it in short bursts and never really sat down and tried to put my mind to it and beat it. Having these games on Switch really is awesome!

jariw · Sep 6, 2019

Kaim Argonar said:
How's Yoshi's Island on this? Is this properly emulating the effects or is it like the SNES Classic?

Seems like it's fixed now.

Kinsei · Sep 6, 2019

Star Fox looks and runs like complete crap nowadays, but I still have a ton of fun every time I replay it. I ran through route 1 & 2 and it was like I was a kid all over again.

I really hope the Star Fox 2 is part of the next batch of SNES games, whenever that happens to drop.

Defect · Sep 6, 2019

All it takes for me to dust off my Switch is Super Metroid. Everything else is great too! I never would've expected them to add Super EDF. For me, they're just missing Kirby Superstar, Killer Instinct (prob not happening), and DKC1-3 and I think that's about it when it comes to first party games I own/played as a wee lad.

Deleted member 17402 · Sep 6, 2019

I'll ask again but is there something wrong with the start button with these games? I'm playing Super Mario World and no menu comes up. Was there never one to save whenever I wanted? I don't remember. As it is I can only choose to save when I beat a castle. I don't remember that.

Bazry · Sep 6, 2019

Kinsei said:
I really hope the Star Fox 2 is part of the next batch of SNES games, whenever that happens to drop.

As someone who still loves original Star Fox, Star Fox 2 is dreadful

Robin64 · Sep 6, 2019

TheFallenSaboteur said:
I'll ask again but is there something wrong with the start button with these games? I'm playing Super Mario World and no menu comes up. Was there never one to save whenever I wanted? I don't remember. As it is I can only choose to save when I beat a castle. I don't remember that.

Yeah that's how Super Mario World is. Beat a castle, fortress, switch palace, or ghost house to save. But you can just press ZL and ZR to bring up the emulator's menu and save a state there wherever you are.

fourfourfun · Sep 6, 2019

Is it just me (EU region) or is there a random Japanese game that has made it into the lineup. I cannot tell you what it is, because I cannot read it!

Actually may do a playthrough of Metroid, because I have never ever done so before. I've done Metroid Advance and most of Metroid Prime in the past.

Deleted member 17402 · Sep 6, 2019

Robin64 said:
Yeah that's how Super Mario World is. Beat a castle, fortress, switch palace, or ghost house to save. But you can just press ZL and ZR to bring up the emulator's menu and save a state there wherever you are.

AH okay. Thank you.

fourfourfun · Sep 6, 2019

TheFallenSaboteur said:
I'll ask again but is there something wrong with the start button with these games? I'm playing Super Mario World and no menu comes up. Was there never one to save whenever I wanted? I don't remember. As it is I can only choose to save when I beat a castle. I don't remember that.

No, that is the game. The save points are pretty weird. After a while, you get to know what events/levels in the game trigger a save point and can exploit that.

Robin64 · Sep 6, 2019

fourfourfun said:
Is it just me (EU region) or is there a random Japanese game that has made it into the lineup. I cannot tell you what it is, because I cannot read it!

That's Puyo Puyo 2.

It's pretty rare, but Nintendo have given us untranslated Japanese games before, such as Mario's Super Picross for the SNES on Virtual Console.

MrKlaw · Sep 6, 2019

fourfourfun said:
Is it just me (EU region) or is there a random Japanese game that has made it into the lineup. I cannot tell you what it is, because I cannot read it!

Actually may do a playthrough of Metroid, because I have never ever done so before. I've done Metroid Advance and most of Metroid Prime in the past.

looks like puyo puyo - interesting - and with the proper japanese box art too

Starsunder · Sep 6, 2019

Love nearly all these games. Super excited that they included Demons Crest, which is an amazing game.

Now please give me Actraiser and EVO: Search for Eden

Orso · Sep 6, 2019

So happy to be able to play Yoshi's Island for the first time.

Whats the favoured egg throwing control scheme, hold or tap? At the moment I prefer holding but i'm finding both a bit awkward.

Bazry · Sep 6, 2019

fourfourfun said:
Is it just me (EU region) or is there a random Japanese game that has made it into the lineup. I cannot tell you what it is, because I cannot read it!

Actually may do a playthrough of Metroid, because I have never ever done so before. I've done Metroid Advance and most of Metroid Prime in the past.

Yeah it looks so weird and out of the place in the tile set

Japanese tiles look so great and neat on their app

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