Given the current BLM movement & this tweet, I thought now would be a good time to revisit this topic (especially with the ARMS character on the horizon).
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Smash Ultimate has 74 Characters, yet lacks Black/Brown characters (READ OP)
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Min Min probably has a slightly better chance on paper, but my heart keeps telling me it's Twintelle. Last time I ignored my heart, it didn't work out.
Either way, I really hope it's Twintelle.
I wouldn't be so quick to rule her out. With that said, Min Min is definitely her biggest competition.
Twintelle has always made the most sense to me, as the easiest to implement. Since she's got normal human arms, she can pick up and use items like any other character. If it's any other character, how will items works? If it's Ribbon Girl and she grabs a laser sword, then she uses whatever attacks she has that send her arms shooting out way far away from her body, the sword just goes along for the ride? It just makes more sense to my brain that it would be Twintelle to avoid that gameplay issue altogether. Add in her incredible popularity and the fact that her inclusion would be bringing in more desperately needed diversity, and she's my #1 pick to take the spot for sure.
The problem with Twintelle is that she's only really popular in the west.
If we're going to ignore Spring Man and add in a character based purely on popularity, then Min Min is the only one that makes sense, because she's the all around fan favorite of ARMS worldwide.
If we're going to ignore Spring Man and add in a character based purely on popularity, then Min Min is the only one that makes sense, because she's the all around fan favorite of ARMS worldwide.
To be fair, so was Bayonetta (#1 in Europe & Top 5 in North America).
ARMS characters can have their arms retracted. People overthink this aspect of them.
If we want to talk logistics issues then Twintelle isn't immune either. Her time stopping gimmick kind of only really makes sense in the context of the game she's from, though like most other things people overthink it's not like they can't get around it.
ARMS characters can have their arms retracted. People overthink this aspect of them.
If we want to talk logistics issues then Twintelle isn't immune either. Her time stopping gimmick kind of only really makes sense in the context of the game she's from, though like most other things people overthink it's not like they can't get around it.
Isn't the time stop pretty much exactly like Bayonetta's witch time?
Bayonetta's Witch Time (in both Smash and her game) is activated as a counter that slows down the opponents. Twintelle's time stop suspends her mid-air and creates a field that specifically only affects projectiles. The closest any move compares to is Rosalina's Gravitational Pull, and even then that's quite different. It'd most likely have a redesigned function, for a game like Smash it'd be pretty crazy to have the reach she has while also having anti-camping tools.
May be controversial, but I do think the argument that Twintelle doesn't have conventional "arms" is in part why she won't be in.
Plus she couldn't be used as a template for other fighters if they decided to mix it up and make it a special take on the koopa long alts but with the unique powers since they're mostly minor
That's probably not gonna happen anyway due to the amount of work necessary to not make them feel like just Spring Man with a different look. We're dealing with a significantly smaller dev team here. At most, maybe it'll be Spring Man & Ribbon Girl as a package deal. But in all likelihood, it'll probably just be 1 lone character.
I think the ARMS show-down is basically between Twintelle and Min Min, and I hope it's the former who gets in (or both, in a surprise twist)
Elma also feels a little more likely than ever because the timing would work out for a XBX port (she'd be in a similar boat as Hero). Then add Riju as a BotW2 rep, complete with a summonable ghost Urbosa, because why not.
Elma also feels a little more likely than ever because the timing would work out for a XBX port (she'd be in a similar boat as Hero). Then add Riju as a BotW2 rep, complete with a summonable ghost Urbosa, because why not.
Serious question, please forgive me if it's offensive in any way:
I often see people say Ganondorf doesn't count for various reasons, yet then lots of people ask for Urbosa/Riju, who are supposed to be the same race as Ganondorf. Is it purely down to the particular visual design they chose for Ganondorf for Smash?
I often see people say Ganondorf doesn't count for various reasons, yet then lots of people ask for Urbosa/Riju, who are supposed to be the same race as Ganondorf. Is it purely down to the particular visual design they chose for Ganondorf for Smash?
Twintelle is who I want in, for sure.
I'm just worried she's not as good of a representative for the series since she doesn't actually use her Arms.
Minmin, these are the only 2 characters they should pick from. Both are by far the most popular of the cast
Smash's representation problem is due to the series insisting upon always picking the main character of any series. And since the far majority of video games star a white or asian male, so does the roster of Smash. I've given up hope that they'll deviate from this strategy. Byleth is (canonically even!) a blank slate and player avatar yet still got chosen over the House lords who were the real "main characters".
If you subscribe to the notion of wanting Urbosa in order to represent more people of color then I reckon people's actual problem with Ganondorf specifically is more that he's a villain.
I wouldn't be surprised if Byleth was opted for on the basis that having to play favorites with one of the house lords would be bound to make fans of any of the other house lords feel short changed, so they went with the milquetoast option and utilize their weapons to fight in spirit.
I believe that was the reasoning he gave, which is kinda funny considering that he plays favorites regarding the Pokémon starters all the time.
I mean, they're interchangeable going from the "anime swordsman" outlook, and even then if he picked favorites it'll be Edge-lguard first off.
Also, is there any possible candidates that are not "anime black/tan" but have some POC facial features?
laughing at the fact that Sakurai thinks fire emblem fans are babies and will cry if he doesn't pick the boring avatar character
probably brought up already but does Ganondorf count as a brown character? If Urbosa is brown, Ganondorf would be too since they are the same race
Definitely in the minority, but I would still prefer Rex and Pyra/Mythra (in a similar vein to Rosalina and Luma) over Elma. As for the Arms character, I had initially thought Springman but after reading all this I think it will be Min-Min. Really not sure why anyone thinks Urbosa would be added before Impa.
I'm honestly not sure.
The Gerudo seem to be inspired by the Middle East, so yeah.
I don't doubt that the FE fanbase can be somewhat volatile regarding the house leaders (especially on the topic of Edelgard). But I doubt it'll spark a war in the fanbase if he chose Edelgard or Claude.
Prepare to be disappointed. It's almost assuredly Spring Man.
Sakurai could have just made the house leaders actual alt costumes for Byleth, instead of just colors. It's not like it would change much, female Byleth is canon to be shorter than male IIRC, but I doubt Smash made that distinction between alt skins. Edelgard would look a bit weird being taller, but I feel like people wouldn't mind it.
I honestly wouldn't be so sure, he almost feels too obvious given the way they teased the reveal. Same for Ribbon Girl to an extent.
If anything, it's likely a Twintelle vs. Min Min fight for the invite.
Ganondorf is an unfortunate example since he's a villain, so instead of there being a 'no character is brown' issue it becomes 'there's 74 characters and the only brown one is a villain.'
I was hoping they'd all be echoes of one another, with height/weight and power of their unique weapon being the only differences.
I think it's only normal when they always go for the protagonists as the character choice for any game first. They have the chance to break that rule with Arms, so I'm curious of what'll happen.
Edit: I'd love to see Elma even if I know it won't happen, but I'm not sure if you could call her a good black representative, even if she is presented as a really strong and intelligent dark-skinned woman during the whole game.
Edit: I'd love to see Elma even if I know it won't happen, but I'm not sure if you could call her a good black representative, even if she is presented as a really strong and intelligent dark-skinned woman during the whole game.
If she appeared as a playable character I would be surprised if she didn't have her true form spoiled as a final smash or alt costume
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Man I'm sorry but that would have been awful, people already complain that there are enough FE characters, which I as an FE fan agree, getting like one more with three or four echoes on top would have been incredibly frustrating. FE has too many echo fighters as is, if they need to put more without actually diversifying them then just make them alt skins honestly.
I do wish that in the future, Nintendo starts having more diversity in their newer franchises. Twintelle is a good step in the right direction, but seeing more of it is the ideal. (Especially protagonist wise).
The main problem (that I see) with representation in smash, is that the great mayority of nintendo icons and videogame icons in smash come from an era where the games were made with little regard for representation, resulting in largely racially homogeneous casts. Thankfully, that trend is being curved nowadays (mostly by western and indie developers), and I hope that more racially diverse characters can be added in Smash now and in the future.
Rooting for Twintelle (and Min min). And I sincerely hope that Nintendo starts thinking more about this when designing their games.
The main problem (that I see) with representation in smash, is that the great mayority of nintendo icons and videogame icons in smash come from an era where the games were made with little regard for representation, resulting in largely racially homogeneous casts. Thankfully, that trend is being curved nowadays (mostly by western and indie developers), and I hope that more racially diverse characters can be added in Smash now and in the future.
Rooting for Twintelle (and Min min). And I sincerely hope that Nintendo starts thinking more about this when designing their games.
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I mean, who are they supposed to add? Elma is far less popular the Rex
and the next xeno game isn't going to be an X title for promotion. Springman is first in line for ARMS since he's the poster child of the game like every other first in their series character in smash so no twintelle. I could see ghirahim/urbosa getting in but there are more popular zelda one offs like skull kid/majora.
not to mention she's not actually tan/black
I'm totally down for Twintelle in Smash and will legit be bummed if the Arms rep ends up being Spring Man.
If it is Spring Man, they fucked up by doing a tease of any sort.
It'd be like me telling you that my next meal will be a sandwich, but that you're gonna have to wait several weeks for me to reveal the topping, only for it to end up being fucking cheese.
I believe and hope it will be Twintelle.
It'd be like me telling you that my next meal will be a sandwich, but that you're gonna have to wait several weeks for me to reveal the topping, only for it to end up being fucking cheese.
I believe and hope it will be Twintelle.
All of the big black/brown video game characters are either secondary characters (Doomfist/Jax/Sombra/Lucio) who would never be chosen over the iconic mascot character of their series or are unlikely to be in Smash (Clementine/CJ/Coach).
The only one I can think of that is the mascot or most iconic of their series would be Shantae. Though she would fit the "anime black/tan" trope.
So I guess to answer your question there aren't any?
Unless Sakurai is willing to break some of his rules and go for say Doomfist over Tracer for an OW crossover. Though OW is unlikely.