Why does this seem to be so prevalent in the smash community compared to other fighting games? What's so different with the high profile people in the smash community?
So does is Pokemon yet I haven't heard of Pokemon events having this kind of problem. Pokemon(games and TCG) official tournaments are actually divided by group ages, have alcohol bans and it seen to require children to be with a chaperone.It's the same thing as the brony dilemma. By virtue of the fact that the work is already aimed at a younger audience it unfortunately gives predators easier access.
Parents should teach their kids that kind of stuff and I don't get how parents let their kids go unsupervised and alone but lots of them are just ignorant about the dangers of internet, it's just not that they can get groomed sexually but they also can get scammed and other kind of stuff.When do parents come into the picture? Honestly if I were a parent I wouldn't let my kids go to these things unsupervised.
After reading ZeRo's story...
I'm not sure I believe all the personal history unless something can corroborate it.
That's the issue when someone shows they lie or are misleading. They next thing they say immediately comes under scrutiny.
Even within the apology he lied.
He found out she was 14 and kept flirting, literally in the pics he posted. He wasn't "disgusted" or any word he used.
After immediately lying several times in the paragraphs prior, it's hard to 100%believe what comes after, no?
Pokémon events are also official. Ironically, Nintendo actually running Smash's competitive scene themselves would have probably kept these trash predators out. We'd have a very different landscape of "pro" players.So does is Pokemon yet I haven't heard of Pokemon events having this kind of problem. Pokemon(games and TCG) official tournaments are actually divided by group ages, have alcohol bans and it seen to require children to be with a chaperone.
I'd heard so much about the "Smash Gods" in the past, and that kind of talk always weirded me out. The fanbase putting people on deified pedestals because they're good at a video game.Coney is right. As much as Zero is to blame, it was also wildy irresponsible for there to be essentially zero adult role models in that house when you bring a bunch of random young men and give them a celebrity god complex.
After reading ZeRo's story...
I'm not sure I believe all the personal history unless something can corroborate it.
That's the issue when someone shows they lie or are misleading. They next thing they say immediately comes under scrutiny.
Even within the apology he lied.
He found out she was 14 and kept flirting, literally in the pics he posted. He wasn't "disgusted" or any word he used.
After immediately lying several times in the paragraphs prior, it's hard to 100%believe what comes after, no?
sheesh, sounds like he should come clean now assuming this will confirm and worsen the story
and really, why are there straight guys and girls literally sharing a room with no type of supervision, and a daily party atmosphere.
sharing a house is already dumb enough tbh.
But literally a room?
For over a year.
And what were the parents thinking?
might as well plant a literal red flag out front of the house.
okay thanks.The story is not new, he has opened up about it before. Dude can only talk about Smash Bros so much in his channel.
So...is it wrong if I were to feel sympathy for Jisu, Katie AND Zero?
Rather than view him including his dark history in his statement as a way to "gain sympathy", why not accept it at face value that the purpose was to let everyone know that he was messed up? Had he physically assaulted any of these girls, yeah, throw him behind bars and throw the keys away. But being socially awkward and saying or doing outrageous things to rile people up shouldn't end with him being cancelled. I was a teenager once and I remember saying stupid and awkward shit just to get attention, IT HAPPENS. That's the whole point of growing up and learning from your mistakes. I see some posts here that are essentially saying "apologize now" and when he does apologize, its "yeah a little late for that".
TEENAGERS DO STUPID SHIT. That's why that term "kids are so stupid" has been a thing. This generation we have teens eating tiepods, my generation of teens was getting into gangs and drinking and doing drugs. Well, drinking and doing drugs is still a thing with teens TODAY...but in the 90s, we didn't have social media to enable us to do even dumber shit.
I can relate to Zero in the sense that I was socially awkward around girls. Did I ever ask an underage girl to touch herself? No. Did I ever say stupid shit to a girl (because of ill informed advice that "You should pretend you don't care, that's how you get her to like you")? Absolutely. But do those moments define me? NO. I grew up and changed. I saw my past mistakes and learned. Once again, TEENS DO STUPID THINGS.
I REFUSE to believe every member here were little angels when they were in their pre-teen to teenage years.
Look, I don't know about anyone else, but from my experience (I'm 40), someone with a fucked up childhood like his tend to grow up and develop a certain perspective on life and it affects their societal behavior. As a person that grew up in a normal environment where my father didn't beat the living daylights out of my mom and destroying what a family should be, whenever I interact with someone that's had a rough childhood and acts a certain way, my first thought would be "wtf is wrong with this person?".
That's not to say EVERY person with a rough childhood will grow up "weird" or "socially awakward"...but we need to remember that everyone responds differently to trauma.
I'm not defending Zero. I want people to stop casting stones and to look at the bigger picture. What Zero said to Katie is inappropriate as fuck. But he was a kid going through arrested development. He should feel bad, and he's apologized, publicly. What he said to Jisu, i truly believe he did it for shock value and wasn't aware of the harm it caused. But he was a kid. When kids get groomed into sex acts with adults, it's because they didn't know any better. The same goes for when a kid, whose already socially awkward, says despicable things to someone. And when you're surrounded by other socially awkward individuals that have toxic views of women, I can see someone like Zero getting carried away.
My heart pains for Jisu and the things she had to experience. My fav cousin has a 4 month old daughter, and my wife and I are planning on having children. If I had a daughter, and if she ever went through what Jisu did, I'd hunt the fuckers down and destroy them. And I feel awful for Katie. Being excited to meet someone she's admired for so long, only to be objectified and participate in an inappprpriate conversation.
But Zero shouldn't be canceled. If he is sincere with his apology, then it's good enough. He's young. He's growing and learning, just like everyone else in life.
But of course if tomorrow there's a tweet about him raping a child, then fuck him.
So...is it wrong if I were to feel sympathy for Jisu, Katie AND Zero?
Rather than view him including his dark history in his statement as a way to "gain sympathy", why not accept it at face value that the purpose was to let everyone know that he was messed up? Had he physically assaulted any of these girls, yeah, throw him behind bars and throw the keys away. But being socially awkward and saying or doing outrageous things to rile people up shouldn't end with him being cancelled. I was a teenager once and I remember saying stupid and awkward shit just to get attention, IT HAPPENS. That's the whole point of growing up and learning from your mistakes. I see some posts here that are essentially saying "apologize now" and when he does apologize, its "yeah a little late for that".
TEENAGERS DO STUPID SHIT. That's why that term "kids are so stupid" has been a thing. This generation we have teens eating tiepods, my generation of teens was getting into gangs and drinking and doing drugs. Well, drinking and doing drugs is still a thing with teens TODAY...but in the 90s, we didn't have social media to enable us to do even dumber shit.
I can relate to Zero in the sense that I was socially awkward around girls. Did I ever ask an underage girl to touch herself? No. Did I ever say stupid shit to a girl (because of ill informed advice that "You should pretend you don't care, that's how you get her to like you")? Absolutely. But do those moments define me? NO. I grew up and changed. I saw my past mistakes and learned. Once again, TEENS DO STUPID THINGS.
I REFUSE to believe every member here were little angels when they were in their pre-teen to teenage years.
Look, I don't know about anyone else, but from my experience (I'm 40), someone with a fucked up childhood like his tend to grow up and develop a certain perspective on life and it affects their societal behavior. As a person that grew up in a normal environment where my father didn't beat the living daylights out of my mom and destroying what a family should be, whenever I interact with someone that's had a rough childhood and acts a certain way, my first thought would be "wtf is wrong with this person?".
That's not to say EVERY person with a rough childhood will grow up "weird" or "socially awakward"...but we need to remember that everyone responds differently to trauma.
I'm not defending Zero. I want people to stop casting stones and to look at the bigger picture. What Zero said to Katie is inappropriate as fuck. But he was a kid going through arrested development. He should feel bad, and he's apologized, publicly. What he said to Jisu, i truly believe he did it for shock value and wasn't aware of the harm it caused. But he was a kid. When kids get groomed into sex acts with adults, it's because they didn't know any better. The same goes for when a kid, whose already socially awkward, says despicable things to someone. And when you're surrounded by other socially awkward individuals that have toxic views of women, I can see someone like Zero getting carried away.
My heart pains for Jisu and the things she had to experience. My fav cousin has a 4 month old daughter, and my wife and I are planning on having children. If I had a daughter, and if she ever went through what Jisu did, I'd hunt the fuckers down and destroy them. And I feel awful for Katie. Being excited to meet someone she's admired for so long, only to be objectified and participate in an inappprpriate conversation.
But Zero shouldn't be canceled. If he is sincere with his apology, then it's good enough. He's young. He's growing and learning, just like everyone else in life.
But of course if tomorrow there's a tweet about him raping a child, then fuck him.
okay thanks.
Then I'm more inclined to believe it.
I thought he said he never told anyone though?
So...is it wrong if I were to feel sympathy for Jisu, Katie AND Zero?
Rather than view him including his dark history in his statement as a way to "gain sympathy", why not accept it at face value that the purpose was to let everyone know that he was messed up? Had he physically assaulted any of these girls, yeah, throw him behind bars and throw the keys away. But being socially awkward and saying or doing outrageous things to rile people up shouldn't end with him being cancelled. I was a teenager once and I remember saying stupid and awkward shit just to get attention, IT HAPPENS. That's the whole point of growing up and learning from your mistakes. I see some posts here that are essentially saying "apologize now" and when he does apologize, its "yeah a little late for that".
TEENAGERS DO STUPID SHIT. That's why that term "kids are so stupid" has been a thing. This generation we have teens eating tiepods, my generation of teens was getting into gangs and drinking and doing drugs. Well, drinking and doing drugs is still a thing with teens TODAY...but in the 90s, we didn't have social media to enable us to do even dumber shit.
I can relate to Zero in the sense that I was socially awkward around girls. Did I ever ask an underage girl to touch herself? No. Did I ever say stupid shit to a girl (because of ill informed advice that "You should pretend you don't care, that's how you get her to like you")? Absolutely. But do those moments define me? NO. I grew up and changed. I saw my past mistakes and learned. Once again, TEENS DO STUPID THINGS.
I REFUSE to believe every member here were little angels when they were in their pre-teen to teenage years.
Look, I don't know about anyone else, but from my experience (I'm 40), someone with a fucked up childhood like his tend to grow up and develop a certain perspective on life and it affects their societal behavior. As a person that grew up in a normal environment where my father didn't beat the living daylights out of my mom and destroying what a family should be, whenever I interact with someone that's had a rough childhood and acts a certain way, my first thought would be "wtf is wrong with this person?".
That's not to say EVERY person with a rough childhood will grow up "weird" or "socially awakward"...but we need to remember that everyone responds differently to trauma.
I'm not defending Zero. I want people to stop casting stones and to look at the bigger picture. What Zero said to Katie is inappropriate as fuck. But he was a kid going through arrested development. He should feel bad, and he's apologized, publicly. What he said to Jisu, i truly believe he did it for shock value and wasn't aware of the harm it caused. But he was a kid. When kids get groomed into sex acts with adults, it's because they didn't know any better. The same goes for when a kid, whose already socially awkward, says despicable things to someone. And when you're surrounded by other socially awkward individuals that have toxic views of women, I can see someone like Zero getting carried away.
My heart pains for Jisu and the things she had to experience. My fav cousin has a 4 month old daughter, and my wife and I are planning on having children. If I had a daughter, and if she ever went through what Jisu did, I'd hunt the fuckers down and destroy them. And I feel awful for Katie. Being excited to meet someone she's admired for so long, only to be objectified and participate in an inappprpriate conversation.
But Zero shouldn't be canceled. If he is sincere with his apology, then it's good enough. He's young. He's growing and learning, just like everyone else in life.
But of course if tomorrow there's a tweet about him raping a child, then fuck him.
In today's society, predators don't get to apologize when they're called out and wipe the slate clean. He should be cancelled to ensure he never gets another opportunity to do this again.
So...is it wrong if I were to feel sympathy for Jisu, Katie AND Zero?
No disrespect to them, but it isn't and shouldn't be up to them.
I undertand do what you mean but you are sounding really patronizing now.No disrespect to them, but it isn't and shouldn't be up to them. They were victims of an abuser. They aren't unbiased, as we see routinely by abuse and trauma victims who feel blame and guilt after coming forward. Many victims and survivors also suffer from fear of backlash and retribution. Look at the toxicity of that community right now towards victims and you can see why they would be inclined to say that.
The Smash community is also inclining to say the support from Nintendo is pretty much non-existent at this point, so little that, who knows if rebuilding what's left of it will bring back Nintendo's support.Burn this scene to the ground and try to rebuild with what's left.
This is honestly such a smart articulation of why all the recent statements from abusers mean absolutely nothing
Reminder than a lot of Zero fans are sending death threats to Jisu.
I don't know why is so common to move to the house of someone you meet on the internet, maybe because I live in a relatively dangerous country where you have to be wary of everything but there is no way that me as an adult would move to a stranger house, let alone when I was a minor.
It's up to them to accept his apology, but they shouldn't be the ones to decide if Zero is trustworthy enough to be put into this situation against with another girl.
It's both factually.
he's an adult by law, the only definition that matters.
I get the point you are trying to make but the dude engaged in pedophilia or attempted to engage in pedophilia at BEST...
If you keep that in mind and re-read your whole entire post again, I think it doesn't quite send off the message you intended it to have...
Apologies aren't magical cures for predatory behavior. You apologize when you realize you wrong someone, to the person you wronged. He apologized to the internet that wants his brand to go away AFTER being called out for being a predator. Fuck that. If this hadn't come out, he wouldn't have apologized today for anything. And certainly not to the victim. Apologies are self-reflective, not the result of pressure. It's a bullshit apology to salvage his name.
In today's society, predators don't get to apologize when they're called out and wipe the slate clean. He should be cancelled to ensure he never gets another opportunity to do this again.
I mean Katie and Jisu wished not cancelling the person.
No. At the same time, understand ZeRo fucked up and needs to learn, he was a moron and irresponsible, deserves the backlash. And please, empathize with Katie and Jisu's pain, they need to be treated better.
His abuse of Jisu and Katie at different points in time makes him a repeat offender. And these are just the cases we know about.Had he been a repeat offender like the other pedophiles in the smash community, absolutely. If more people came out and provided evidence of repeated behavior, not only will I be disappointed in the kid, but I'll be like fuck him, he needs to go to jail.
But at this current time, he did what kids his age would normally do...and that is stupid shit. Granted his stupid shit is pretty severe...but so far, at this current place of time, it didn't escalate any further. Had it reached the point where nudes were actually shared and there was physical interaction, believe me I'll be singing a different tune. As evidenced that both Jisu and Katie don't wish for him to be cancelled shows that what Zero did was incredibly stupid, inappropriate shit. But I'll say once more, he was doing stupid shit like most teenagers do.
I'd like a response to the masturbation proposition but it's otherwise a good enough apology to the screenshots we were shown. As someone who believes in restorative justice, I'm not a fan of holding a then-teen to some kind of social exile 10 or so odd years later. It's not like he Nairo'd or D1'd or Keitaro'd. I'd like to see the victims' responses and again a response to the masturbation proposition, which is by far the most heinous accusation.