Yeah this whole thing is disgusting. I hope she faces proper consequences for this. That poor guy.
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Smash player Puppeh comes out about his sexual abuse by player Cinnpie, when he was 14 and she was 24
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Yeah this whole thing is disgusting. I hope she faces proper consequences for this. That poor guy.
He looks like he's 10 years old wtf, that woman is seriously fucked up
I've not read most of this thread but if its been asked before please put in threadmarks in OP...
But can someone please explain why the Smash Bros community has a history of being completely fucked up? Like more fucked than other communities?
But can someone please explain why the Smash Bros community has a history of being completely fucked up? Like more fucked than other communities?
I always thought the worst was "lol they don't shower" memes but now it looks much worse lately.
There's no guarantee it's more fucked than other communities. That's the worst part. Other communities could just be silent right now with tons of other predators hiding.
But for Smash, the lack of parental supervision and informal structure of a lot of these events allowed kids, teens, and other victims to be easily groomed and targeted without the threat of an authority figure stepping in.
They are uncomfortably close.
If I was a passerby I wouldn't suspect much cus I'd assume they were a sister or something, but a lot of people there must have known they weren't related and should have been a bit sus.
I don't follow Smash or any other fighting community, still, reading about all of this happening, as in, this stuff is actually happening makes me feel sick :(
The idea that the community will police itself is exactly the mindset that leads to shit like this. The expectation that random 20- and 30-somethings or older are going to take responsibility for the welfare of children who aren't theirs is one of the most ass-backwards concepts someone could try to use to defend how these tourneys are organized. Let it be known though this isn't a problem exclusive to tourneys but also to the con-scene as a whole where minors can find their ways into the rooms of older people if left unsupervised.
The "importance" of getting the youth involved in a scene is not equivalent to the clear and present danger they are placed in when within the realm of older people, especially ones they may idolize, who can easily manipulate them. Again, the idea that you're going to deputize some randos at these events who are there for their own purposes is a ridiculous expectation that sounds nice in theory but in practice isn't a realistic solution. If the "adults in the room" are also potentially the people who will be taking advantage of these kids sexually, you're setting yourself up for failure.
So the answer is "yes," there should be a requirement that a minor is accompanied by an adult chaperone at all times at the venue as dictated by the TO if you're adamant with the idea of having minors compete against adults. Personally I think there should be a strict U-18 tourney separate from the 18+ crowd. If people feel that will discourage kids from showing up at these things, oh well. I'd think if we're serious about how disappointed/shocked/appalled we are at this instance and others like it, we wouldn't be putting a price on this where we can decide how many kids getting sexually assaulted/taken advantage of is worth getting the numbers up on competitive Smash play.
On The Blast Zone TKBreezy mention that he looked at that situation like she was being like a big sister to and not thinking of him in that. He also mentioned how fucked up the double standard is in that if the genders were reversed in that situation that they would of intervened.
Just heartbreaking to read. So much respect for the strength and courage he has to come forward with this. I'd never heard of any of the parties involved, but my god, the optics of every facet of this is just shocking. That clip of her practically fondling him in a room full of people is just surreal. I really hope he pursues charges against her.
That is so disgusting. Being abused as a child... I can't even imagine what that will do to you. He is very brave for speaking up, and I hope this will help him heal.
She needs to be banned for all events at the very least. A pedophile predator can't be allowed the oppurtunity to find other victims.
She needs to be banned for all events at the very least. A pedophile predator can't be allowed the oppurtunity to find other victims.
What the actual fuck is wrong with people? Dude literally looked younger than he was at the time. She legit needs to do some jail time.
I'm right there with you. I've been having this discussion on Twitter non-stop for past couple of days now.
The tricky part with chaperones right now is, unless we can somehow verify that the chaperone is the child's actual legal guardian, it doesn't accomplish much of anything. Cinnpie was an adult and would have happily signed up to be Puppeh's guardian. It would have just granted her another level of control over her victim.
When most minors may not even have a basic form of ID, it seems impossible to me for any tournament to be able to verify those relationships on the scale necesarry. I think the community may need to come to terms with the fact that children will have to hold their own tournaments. Minors will no longer be welcome at the typical Smash tournaments when they start reopening. It sucks, but it's the only realistic solution I see at this point.
That's not something that can be as easily accomplished as making sure she can't prey at conventions/events.
I mean, you really wouldn't have thought it was more than that even knowing they were related. It's just easier to see now that we know.
A day later I am still shocked how anyone could put their hands on that kid. A grown woman who even had a boyfriend was fixated on the kid and looking at him in sexual way, there is just no excuse.
Jesus Christ my stomach turned a bit watching that. Right from when she puts her hands on his shoulders. I'm definitely not about to watch the whole thing, goddamn.
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Would you have felt that way if it was a dude in his 20's towering over a 14 year old girl who's half his size, leading her around by the arm, rubbing her shoulders after a match?
Edit: and I don't blame you at all for thinking that way, I do too. I would 100% be more suspicious in the latter case. Fucked up.
Prior to the pandemic my niece was interested in trying to get into competitve smash and I don't know now man
Fuck this is disgusting all of it
Fuck this is disgusting all of it
You're right. I have biases to reexamine. But either way, there are probably very few people for whom red flags would have been raised.
jeez jeez 0_o j e e z
She even points to the camera when he's about to go for a kiss
She's rocking back and forth with him
Jeez
Neither do I. I can't even begin to imagine how painful all of this has been for him.
Nintendo has never really supported the competitive Smash scene, right? This basically guarantees they're never ever going to support or promote them though.
Their unwillingness to help and police the scene is what made fertile ground for this shit to grow
Nintendo has had zero involvement in the community outside of sponsoring a couple of events. Their only connection is that it's focused around a game that they make.
They do run their own online tournament series, and people from the Smash scene have participated in that. As of right now though, they'll assuredly be cutting all ties with Cinnpie, D1, Nairo, and anyone else that gets exposed.
Whelp that scene is dead. It only really picked up into main stream when nintendo got involved again and they're not gonna wanna be mentioned in the same sentence as a bunch of pedophiles.
Yeah Nintendo was quite smart for not embracing this scene that they had no control over. Everyone complaining that they should have has a clear example of why not to here.
You could argue that Nintendo could have put up better safeguards if they had topdown control(maybe under 18 only tournaments to keep out the creeps?), but I am skeptical.
? Nintendo has zero responsibility to "help or police" the Smash community. In fact it looks like they were probably very smart to stay away from it.
That's why this is hitting me all fucked up. My brother in law JUST bought his 10 year old son Smash for the switch...on my recommendation. He asked me about all the street fighter I play since him and his son are interested in how I'm always talking about the game. I told my brother in law a good place to start for fighting games would be smash bros since his son loves nintendo shit. If this happened to his son I'd never forgive myself.
Do you really feel that's their responsibility ?? The community members need to call people out and step up. I'm glad more of these stories are coming out so people know what's right and wrong.
Nintendo have never had a significant grip over the Smash community, so asides from cutting ties with players who they have a professional relationship with, they can't really do much. That said, I don't expect Nintendo to publically support the community for the foresseable future, such as condoning the apperance of their games at future EVO/grassroots events.
One could argue, of course, that Nintendo not having a strict, regulated grip over high-level Smash tournaments contributed to these situations, allowing minors and adults to mix freely in social scenarios without their parents/guardians. I mean, whenever I read that these kids were with people who were drinking, I wonder if Nintendo really should've stepped in earlier... But alas, it isn't the job of Nintendo to act as a shaperone; the responsibility lies with these people, and these people alone.
I'm just saying they could probably help so their game isn't used as a hunting ground for predators, Pokémon doesn't seem to have this problem.
Idk man. I'm just devastated from all of this, this shit is hitting me hard
just cause he brought him smash doesn't mean that he would try to go pro or that it would be your fault if something like this happened
He could just play casually like 95% of the public
Biggest thing they can do at this point is start stonewalling community run events to limit what they can do like when they went after Evo for streaming Melee.