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Smash Bros Ultimate datamine: Mementos seems to be Joker's stage (further confirms Persona 5R/Erdrick for Switch leak?)
- Thread starter Atheerios
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I am assuming another ad is coming after the anime finale in March. After that who knows until April's concert event where they always reveal all kinds of stuff
I wonder if they'll even bother giving Erdrick a Player 2 amiibo like they did for Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta, since (according to the rumor) he has four unique appearances (Male Erdrick, Female Erdrick, Luminary and Anlucia). Seems like too much effort.
Also this amiibo talk made me realise that Nintendo will probably make me buy a Steve amiibo. Ugh.
This and in addition, in context to Persona 5 itself. Mementos is the location (or palace) of everyone's hearts (or their collective consciousness so to say). Besides being the recurring location of where shadows are, it also represents the people's thoughts, feelings, desires, and distortions. To put it in Smash brothers makes sense with a huge roster with everyone as diverse as they are. I wouldn't be surprised if we see shadows pop up in the level or NPCs with distorted desires pop up (similar to castlevania's level)
I was just talking about this with someone else. Have Oracle use her navigation mechanic to brief joker in a 1 on 1 fight in mementos. It would be awesome if they did something like that.
The previous leak/rumor that suggested Mementos straight up said stage effects with Persona appearing (Jack Frost named in particular), so pretty likely I think. Sits very much in line with what they did with summons in Midgar, too, as some iconic Persona can serve to represent the rest of the series outside 5, just as Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut, Ramuh do for FF.
I see. I may have not read the leak fully, Just remembered Joker, mementos, and jack frost. Thanks for elaborating that part further for me. Makes me more excited then for what may be implemented in mementos. With Sakurai stating in an interview from a couple years ago (i want to say) that P5 was one of his favorite games of all time, he will do justice for the stage. I am looking forward to the dlc when it drops.
Haruka Amami from the Bamco series The iDOLM@STER wearing armour while wielding a sword.
Because while there are other characters I'd love to see in Smash like Twinbee, Haruka Amami is just so much fun to root for and bring up.
You know it!
Making a Luminary Amiibo would make sense. Though I guess an Erdrick amiibo could still work as promo for DQ11 in the west if it unlocks something like a costume
I could totally see this, but if they use Jane as a codename... that's really lame compared to Joker. Unless Jane is the canon actual name, and she's still codename Joker.
Jack is Joker's codename in the strings. It's not codename as a Phantom Thief, it's literally "internal codename."
One reason, for instance, could be that the costumes are like shulks, where the colours themes are based on the other party members, but that might be obvious if the other costumes have similar string names or not.
Oh I forgot about that part, thanks. Totally plausible then. Still curious what the female MC codename would be.
I don't believe that rumor said Jack Frost appears as a stage element, but rather as part of Joker's moveset. It said that Jack Frost (and Slime in regards to Erdrick) "appears on stage with a skill," which is an odd way to put it but I assume by "skill" they mean special moves or something. Not to say that that means the Mementos stage wouldn't still have Personas appearing in some way, of course.
Still Joker probably. She would get a different file codename though, hence Jane.
Come to think of it, maybe that's the reason Joker is referred to as "Jack". Maybe it wasn't so much a choice to obfuscate things from dataminers, as it was because needed a name to contrast with an unnamed female version, so they just went with a generic all-purpose name for Joker on top of it rather than the on-and-off "Ren" which is never really utilized in the mainline titles. The fact that it doesn't refer to Joker directly might just be a bonus when it comes to hiding info from datamining, because Brave is a much more obvious codename that doesn't really obfuscate much.
It's something that's bothered me for a while because the whole "Joker = Jack" correlation only really seems obvious in hindsight. If we didn't know Joker was coming, we'd most likely be speculating to this very day who it might refer to. The same can't be said about Brave.
What if only one costume has the ponytail data because we'll get one costume per gender in casual clothes? So basically, Joker's alternate costumes would look something like this:
This would make sense if female Joker's ponytail is only present in her casual attire, while her hair is either styled differently or obscured in her Phantom Thieves look. Of course, that doesn't explain why the ponytail data seems to be on Joker's 7th alt, so I'm not sure what's going on with the ordering there.
- Male Joker (default)
- Female Joker (default)
- Male Joker 2
- Female Joker 2
- Male Joker 3
- Female Joker 3
- Casual clothes male Joker
- Casual clothes female Joker
This would make sense if female Joker's ponytail is only present in her casual attire, while her hair is either styled differently or obscured in her Phantom Thieves look. Of course, that doesn't explain why the ponytail data seems to be on Joker's 7th alt, so I'm not sure what's going on with the ordering there.
To be fair, Yu Narukami also wasn't utilized in the mainline games. Just the canon spin-offs (P4A, for example).
Somebody posted on reddit before Isabelle's reveal giving some details about her (such as her fishing pole) and mentioned the existence of Piranha Plant. He also mentioned that HRC and a few other modes would be added in a patch.
It'd still be Joker. There would only be a problem if Smash went with the canon name (Ren Amamiya, though they could change it to Rin for Lady Joker).
Right. And it's ever unlikely they'd use any spin off names for this at all, especially when in this capacity, they're purely going to refer to the Phantom Thief.
To be fair, the names (Makoto, Yu, Ren) are actually canon as far as Atlus is concerned, hence their constant use.
Honestly, I'm surprised that they didn't reference Yu's name in P4G's opening.
Because within the context of the actual Persona games, the heroes are named by the player and have no canon names. The 'canon' names only come up in spinoffs and adaptations made after the fact, which are secondary to the mainline games and are not the concern of the developers of the mainline titles.
Interesting thought. It might actually be why they announced Persona 5 R but showed next to nothing of the game. Adding a female alternate for the protagonist was highly requested. So revealing female Joker via Smash to promote the new version of the game seems possible.
Still, of the 3, they committed to Yu's name the hardest. But all the same, I get your point.
See, I take that to mean Jack Frost appears on mementos and uses a skill, much the same as "Bahamut appears on stage and casts Megaflare", but to be fair either definition could work.
Maybe they'll go full hog and Jack Frost and Slime will be full on AT's included with their respective packs. I'd prefer that honestly, makes the DLC characters feel more integrated into the game as a whole.
Ah, I hadn't thought of it that way. I guess that could possibly be the case too, hmm... That would probably mean that Joker doesn't use other Personas in his moveset other than Arsene then, 'cause if he did Jack Frost would probably be one that he'd use, right?
Can't wait for Home Run Contest to return and the few people lamenting the lack of it as a genuine sore spot to Ultimate's content play it once and then never touch it again.
I assume it'd come with a "stadium" challenge board, so they'd at least play it to get those challenges
And then never touch it again just like the last 20 years of HRC
Let me say that I think the 4 alts for Erdrick rumor is bogus.
They can't even be arsed to make alts for so many first party characters, outside of Bowser Jr. who is a special case, nobody else had more than 2 real alts that aren't just color changes iirc
Mario with the builder and wedding outfit
Not sure if you count Mac separately as well with the hoodie (which he wears into every match anyway) and the wireframe
I think it will just be Luminary. Erdrick isn't even really relevant to DQ XI, the game they seem to be pushing so hard. At the very least I think Luminary will be the default. Would like to see a curve ball and it be Jade instead but there is a 0% chance of that happening
They can't even be arsed to make alts for so many first party characters, outside of Bowser Jr. who is a special case, nobody else had more than 2 real alts that aren't just color changes iirc
Mario with the builder and wedding outfit
Not sure if you count Mac separately as well with the hoodie (which he wears into every match anyway) and the wireframe
I think it will just be Luminary. Erdrick isn't even really relevant to DQ XI, the game they seem to be pushing so hard. At the very least I think Luminary will be the default. Would like to see a curve ball and it be Jade instead but there is a 0% chance of that happening
Does having options truly offend you?
It's okay, my sweet child.
Ultimate made me realize that a lot of the "options" Smash had been collecting over the years weren't really used all that much and when they were cut, I barely even noticed them missing.
The thing with HRC is there's barely any tech or challenge to it. Anyone can step up and just neutral special with Roy and go absurd distances.
Remember coin battle? Does anyone?
How about Rival Smash?
The Team Healer item?
With everything coming out, I am wondering how rushed Smash Ultimate really was. With how split the development seems, it makes me wonder if some assist trophies were actually considered and working as full fighters but paired back in order to keep development easier for the team. It is really weird how some assists like Isaac have frame data for spot dodges and animates for air dodges as well.
No, I just found it comical that a game could give so very much and yet some people were genuinely acting like they'd been short changed because the novelty sandbag walloping mode wasn't there.
It's more of like they already had the plans for the features to been the game than listening to the feedbacks. I think Sakurai and Nintendo this time are planning similar concepts that they did for Arms and Splatoon where we would get new contents over the time to ease the development of Ultimate and not force them to meet everything by deadline. Ultimate requires quite a lot of time t to be worked on so it's not surprising that they want to iron out another contents and release them later as expansion or downloadable supports. (something like Arms and their modes being added afterward)