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Side-by-side official next gen flagship specs: Xbox Series X and PS5 spec sheets
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I've been following the various threads about the PS5 specs for most of the day. The vast, vast majority of the discussion is that XSX GPU > PS5 GPU and that the XSX is generally the stronger system on most cases. Even the vast majority of PS fans on this site concedes this as far as I can tell. This notion that this site is full of fanboys saying lower numbers actually mean higher performance is a weak strawman setup to be knocked down to justify petty console warz persecution complexes.
In this economy, I foresee both companies pushing back their console releases. These specs will definitely change even if they're official, because of the production lines being affected.
I think the Sony move toward ultra efficiency is awesome but people are talking about it like the XSX is riddled with bottlenecks that the PS5 solved. People may be underestimating some of the software MS is so excitedly talking about on the Direct X API. I'm interested to learn more about VRS and DirectML. I think both will be close in reality.
Assets still have to be rendered, which is done by GPU hardware. This is where being able to stream in massive amounts of assets at unbelievable speeds may actually be bottlenecked by actually having to render them in the game world with a slower GPU. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how that might work. On the other hand will the Series X possibly not be able to take full advantage of its GPU because it can't stream assets in fast enough? Two very different takes on this.....
Microsoft's solution will be noticably more capable with ray tracing titles. Those titles may not appear at launch but I'm sure you'll see them down the road.
I think in a couple years PC minimum specs will be SSD. Still probably not as fast as we get in these consoles though, and almost guaranteed not 5.5 GB/s fast SSDs
Although I bought a PS4 this generation and not an Xbox I'm thrilled with the steps Microsoft has taken. Microsoft for a variety of reasons had a ton of issues this generation and sales reflected that. Even though my first next gen console purchase will probably remain Sony (too early to tell but exclusives) I'm really happy Microsoft seems like they are poised to see more success than this gen. Although I dream of the day when we don't have the console wars if we're going to have to have multiple boxes I want them to all be successful.
If it was so obvious, Sony could have just opted with a bigger chip. The size of the chip was intentional, likely to reduce costs, and Sony found that it was cheaper without too much of a performance hit to go narrow and fast instead of wide and slow.
Sony is effectively saving 50% on Silicon area. That's a pretty substantial savings for only a 16% reduction in TF count.
Here is what Matt said regarding the decision to go with high clocks (i.e., it wasn't reactionary). And further, these decisions are locked in pretty far into the development of the console, because you need to know what the cooling solution will look like and integrate into the console.
The BoM is $450 which isn't cheap for a console, so if you think they saved costs on the APU, then their SSD solution must be unbeliveably expensive. Food for thought.
And Sony's solution will be noticably more capable in terms of asset quality/diversity/LOD due to the superior memory architecture design. Like I said, there's pros and cons to each console.
Does anyone know if the next gen systems will help in regards to any asset interaction? Like clothes clipping through characters, feet touching the ground, etc. or if that is all strictly engine dependent?
I dunno, I think it's safe to say there is a clear winner in specs.
The BOM was just an estimate. The BOM estimates for the XSX are also higher. Now that we know the XSX has 50% more Silicon to produce per console, it's a fairly substantial increase in cost.
Maybe the SSD makes up for that difference, but I doubt it's as expensive. The APU is the most expensive component in the console.
That's purely a software thing. If a game wanted to have no collisions, they could... But it would be a huge performance hit.
Ummm, if a developer is only developing for the PS5 and not planning on putting their game on Xbox or PC then it could definitely change how they design their games. Most third party games are not going to take advantage, but at least SSDs might become standard minimum spec for PC gaming (God, I hope so....)
There's a winner in terms of raw TF counts. That doesn't necessarily tell the whole picture about how the console as a whole will benchmark, how easy it is to develop for, or what kinds of new designs can be created with the console's power in mind. And historically, a 15% difference in TF count has been negligible at best. Far, far, far less than any previous generation.
Maybe Sony thought the average consumer (and developer) would rather have a more performant SSD? That's clearly what happened. And FWIW, the difference is 200% for the SSD, by far the most of any marginal difference in the other components, so it's a pretty big deal.
I don't think you can honestly say which has the better hardware as a SYSTEM, because that depends on what you prioritize.
MS did both, Sony just went farther on two aspects of it. XSX also has custom hardware for decompression to "radically improve asset streaming" plus dedicated audio hardware, both of which have custom software components, all in an effort to lessen the load on the CPU.
You might want to read up on the Xbox Velocity Architecture and Spatial Audio bits in the article released Monday: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/03/16/xbox-series-x-glossary/
Yep, measuring one architecture vs another based on Teraflops alone is foolish. It is especially hard to measure at the moment because nothing currently utilizes RDNA2 so we don't even know what their efficiency gains look like.In case anyone still does not understand the futility of measuring the power of the new generation only by teraflops.
In case anyone still does not understand the futility of measuring the power of the new generation only by teraflops.
This is 2 different architectures.
More like 50x a normal HDD, while Sony is well over 100x. Shit is crazy. These Consoles are both going to be awesome!
I'm sorry but this won't bare out except for a PS5 exclusive or two that will be impossible to compare because well..obvious reasons. And remember, the SSD is still at the end of the day storage, so if you all want extremely high assest quality to stream at the stated speed, then you are going to fill up that hard drive extremely quick with a single title or two.
I might buy a console nextgen, I was pc for this gen. most likely a xbox, just b/c I hate non offset sticks, yeah I know its a irational reason.
I think it could very well bare out in third parties, although you won't see as much robust design changes from anyone but Sony first part. You certainly will get better asset streaming on PS5, period.
Nah, the CPU should never touch anything having to do with the SSD, that job belongs to the controller. Both the PS5 and Series X have a custom dedicated audio chip this time around, so no audio jobs should be touching the CPU in either console. I can't see how the CPU advantage could go to the PS5 with them both using Zen2 hardware and Xbox having higher locked clocks.....
Why would they invest time to drastically change the games architecture versus what a PC and Xbox do. Remember, most multiplatform titles will be developed around a HDD since that is still found in PC's. They aren't going to do anything other than optimizing loading assets. It is not going to happen. And when you compare the two when it comes to loading those assets, good luck really seeing the timing difference since most will start loading in the background prior to rendering. Just go look up any video on a slow vs fast SSD, most people can't tell which one it is.
I haven't been keeping up with the rumors and the news, I really thought Sony would try to compete with Xbox and their full BC. But yea, guess I am not that surprised.
Developers still tailor their games to various platforms and workaround the constraints of both. The same will be true of the SSD. Game design won't take full advantage of it. But you certainly should get better asset streaming/LOD, and potentially more diversity of textures within a given asset.
Ah those are good points! Maybe I am way off then, interesting.
Yeah devs during 360 and ps3 gen def has to work to each systems strength. It will be similar to this gen coming up. I'm excited that we are back to more exotic tech then just off the shelf parts. I can't fucking wait to see how this plays out. Jacked for both systems
Yeah, again, the consoles are only 16% apart. You shouldn't be expecting anywhere near $200+ delta.
$100 at most, IMHO. $50 could be pretty likely, too.
Also I'm not sure ps5 is really more 1.5 rdna then true rdna 2.0 like the Xbox seems. We shall see and either way both will be fast and a major leap. I mean look at fooking god of war and last of us 2 running on a 1.8tf system. Spiderman 2 is going to melt eyeballs and I think the same of gears 6
Neither, much closer than both of those comparisons. Honestly specs wise I'm not sure what this even compares to. This is like building two PCs both with the same processor, Same amount of RAM, one with a 2080 TI and one with an overclocked 2070 super, but the one with the 2080 TI has a high end PCIE NVME 3rd gen SSD, and the one with the 2070 super has a PCIE NVME 4th gen SSD running twice as fast as the third gen. In terms of consoles it is super hard to compare, they are really pretty darned close
The ps5 is still pretty fucking powerful, i dont understand the QQ
the xbox is a fuckin animal though, they did well
the xbox is a fuckin animal though, they did well
I would be highly surprised you could even tell the difference between the next generations Call of Duty when the titles are loading information of their SSD's. Both will be fast enough you won't be able to tell the difference at the human scale easily. Maybe a 1/10 of a second.
when seeing things like this means you didn't read up on the DF Xbox article. MS has dedicated hardware to offload as much as possible from the CPU.
At least give the Xbox article a chance..
Currently there are no PCIE4 NVME SSDs that can hit sustained 5.5 GB/s. Highest is 5 GB/s right now, but the standard does allow for up to 7.5 GB/s so I'm pretty sure we will be seeing some for PC soon enough
It's sad, both consoles are good but it's easy to see which one is more powerful and stable.
OR the return of multi BD physical media. Haha. "Insert disc 2 now"
To be fair, it's a bigger performance gap than PS4 to Xbox One was at launch, and I recall quite a few people thinking THAT was enormous.
Those PCIE 4.0 storage speeds better be worth it. I'm already annoyed organizing 2TB drives and It's gonna cost me an extra $200-$250 on top of the console just to get back to that point as we move towards monthly subscription, all you can eat service models. I can't say I've ever thought a PCIE 3.0 SSD was too slow.
My thoughts on the PS5 are that Sony's aiming to build a very well balanced console with as few bottlenecks as possible, but they're also aiming to enhance the overall feeling and experience for the gamers. They're implementing an impressive 3D audio experience that will continue to evolve past the console launch and will aim to personalize audio for each individual gamer in the long run. They're implementing haptic feedback and resistive triggers in the DS5 to enhance how we interact with the game world and bring the tactile feeling of playing a game to a new level. They're aiming to stomp out load times with their impressive SSD tech which is a massive quality of life improvement for all gamers, and of course the impressive SSD will allow devs to really stretch their legs when designing games for the system.
In comparison with the XSX for the main hardware the CPU and RAM are so close the differences seem negligible. The GPU has the XSX with a clear lead in the TF department, but as others and Cerny have pointed out there are also advantages to a higher clock. I'm not smart enough or knowledgeable enough to give an opinion there, so I'd prefer to wait for proper benchmarks and comparisons to fill in the blanks and demonstrate the advantages and disadvantages to each strategy there. Regardless, even if the 16% or so difference winds up being reflected in the majority of games and tests that number is so small it makes no personal difference to me.
I was pleased to hear Cerny address console fan noise so much in his talk, making me think they're emphasizing a silent solution for the PS5. I'm very curious if their cooling solution will resemble that patent from a while back.
I know we won't get PSVR2 news this year but holy fuck the PS5 is going to provide an amazing experience when that does come out. If they're implementing haptics and resistive triggers in the DS5 I can only imagine what tech they'll cram into the VR controllers. I really hope they're working on VR gloves as well.
I'm sure there's still plenty we can learn about both the PS5 and XSX, so I'm excited to see how things pan out.
In comparison with the XSX for the main hardware the CPU and RAM are so close the differences seem negligible. The GPU has the XSX with a clear lead in the TF department, but as others and Cerny have pointed out there are also advantages to a higher clock. I'm not smart enough or knowledgeable enough to give an opinion there, so I'd prefer to wait for proper benchmarks and comparisons to fill in the blanks and demonstrate the advantages and disadvantages to each strategy there. Regardless, even if the 16% or so difference winds up being reflected in the majority of games and tests that number is so small it makes no personal difference to me.
I was pleased to hear Cerny address console fan noise so much in his talk, making me think they're emphasizing a silent solution for the PS5. I'm very curious if their cooling solution will resemble that patent from a while back.
I know we won't get PSVR2 news this year but holy fuck the PS5 is going to provide an amazing experience when that does come out. If they're implementing haptics and resistive triggers in the DS5 I can only imagine what tech they'll cram into the VR controllers. I really hope they're working on VR gloves as well.
I'm sure there's still plenty we can learn about both the PS5 and XSX, so I'm excited to see how things pan out.
Do you mean you're looking at pricing potential drives for a PS5, after Cerny specifically told you not to do that? The drives that are fast enough don't exist yet. And when they do exist, will they actually fit? Nobody knows yet.
Why is everyone freaking out as if PS5 is an underpowered weakling? The gap is smaller than X1 vs PS4 and X1X vs PS4 Pro
Especially considering the immense gap of SSD speeds is 100% increase.
Especially considering the immense gap of SSD speeds is 100% increase.