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Side-by-side official next gen flagship specs: Xbox Series X and PS5 spec sheets
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It is my understanding that DirectStorage on the XSX will not be using the CPU for decompression.
It's a variable set... by definition, it is not doing anything 100% of the time and a "boost" can't be called a boost if it's the base speed and is always that speed.
Hmmm
I think XSX is yes Brute power but also smart with new software tech like VRS,DirectStorage,DirectML etc...
Some things yes, but not the floating point math operations (which is what does all the shading and stuff). There a TF is a TF (when they're the same architecture).
Ah, didn't see most people were skipping that Xbox is at 12.16TF locked
Sony didn't mention anything on that front. I would assume that clockspeed doesn't necessarily change with SMT, but that with the variable frequency the clock will veer away from 3.5GHz.
its always in boost mode, it just varies how much. its not a on and of thing.
The variable frequency is there so the PS5 doesn't draw full power and heats up while you are doing something that's not computationally intensive.
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They've been testing those TOP 100 PS4 games and most of those will be playable at launch (as they need to fix shit on a game by game basis), hence the "less than a 100 PS4 games playable at launch" on PS5.
I think today would have been fine but not as the first real public event related to the PS5 that we've gotten. I think they would've been better served with a State of Play or something similar where they show the Spider-Man loading time difference from the article last fall, they show some tech demos, suspending and resuming games (use a fake/old interface, like how the XBox video is just using the guide from the current XBox One). It needed to be more than Mark Cerny talking about where they place microphones in your ears.
What is the non-boosted TF numbers?
Right now comparing boosted TF to X's TF is a 17% advantage going to the X GPU alone
Right now comparing boosted TF to X's TF is a 17% advantage going to the X GPU alone
If it runs 100% of the time then it would be fixed. Come on people.
So we're ignoring the part where cerny said they expect it to run at that clock vast majority of time and likely only drop a couple of % at dev discretion?
No consideration for any other impacts such as split ram pool or the faster SE's?
Like I said let's wait and see for performance, but it's going to be closer than ps4 vs. xb1 and closer than ps4 pro vs. One x
Dont get me wrong it will be a hard sell at the same RRP.
Personally I'm disappointed in the GPU Bandwidth.
Agreed there's some theoretical advantage, but it does rely on developers using the memory split in that specific way. You can't just say for that other 6 that it will only impact the CPU wholesale.
That's good, I guess on PC obviously it has to talk to the CPU ultimately.
Well if you care about Ray Tracing it's pretty obvious which one the consumer should pick at this time.
but then it's not 10.2
it's 9.2 with a buffer for framerate stability
why are you trying to frame it as something that it's not?
Always on boost mode doesn't sound healthy for a console long term. Their cooling had better be REALLY good and not degenerate with time. Also, their QA had better be really good so you don't end up with a dud that can't sustain boost mode as well as the average PS5. Performance lottery, fun. This is the kind of stuff you want to avoid when buying a console, you want a fixed performance machine.
They tested the top 100 and "almost" all worked, whatever that means. The presumption being is that almost all games will work. What doesn't, if it's something they can address wasn't shared.
That's not what he said. As an example, he said of the top 100 games played on PS4, most run fine. That doesn't mean many others beyond that peak of the pyramid don't also run fine.
These are going to be two very good systems and I don't think people are going to go wrong choosing one over the other. Personally I'm sticking with PC and Switch but I'm looking forward to see how these systems push gaming forward.
Sony marketing has been awful. About a million people watched this stream expecting mainstream info with some game demos, not techno babble. It's really baffling they released this stream to a hungry gamer audience.
Sony definitely is not in pole position like they were last time, they do not control next gen talk like in 2013. Talks of HRFT and what not doesn't excite anyone.
This is not the old Sony that was close to perfect reading the market, a lot of high profile people (from the indie champions all the way to Kaz) left over the years so maybe it was to be expected.
Sony seems as if they're concentrating on load times and data retrieval rather than in game usable power. Really strange methods of building next generation consoles.
It's just not loading, it's how the game engine is built around streaming data in dynamically and the density of data in the viewable space. Time will tell.
Will be interesting to see the the advantages of higher clocks. According to Sony 10.3 TFs at 2.2Ghz >10.3 at 1.8Ghz. How much more, I don't know. I've heard clocks are better than CUs, but no idea how much more. Another thing that time will tell on.
So i wondered if i missed something, was there any mention of hardware specific for raytracing work?
That's extremely interesting, and I wonder if something like a Superman game could finally be made. Being able to load in stuff that fast seems impossible, but this SSD may be able to do it.
no I said it runs 100% in boost mode. the mode itself can throttle, but it tries to boost all the time, with temps being the influencing factor. they had to cap it to make the system quiet enough and cool enough. put the machine in a hot room, it will clock lower, put it in a cold room and it will boost to the cap.
Did anyone watch this presentation? or are you all just looking at the spec sheet and inventing meaning from words.
Sony giving boost clocks to demonstrate their GPU/CPU power is shady at best. Looks good on paper but you'll only get 10.3TF under the lightest compute scenarios. You're going to get 9.2TF under realistic gaming loads. All the while devs usually prefer fixed scenarios. So it seems counterintuitive to start their demonstration saying it's about the devs then mention things like variable clocks...
One thing that was mildly obnoxious with the PS5 event was the concerted effort to downplay TFs while also talking about cu count being important for AMDs RT solution. Like on the surface the TF count wouldn't seem to make a big difference but XSX would seem to have a large advantage on the RT side as well as more subtle advantages on some other things.
Cerny wasn't wrong to point out the difference in efficiency with GCN and RDNA but the few moments of downplaying TFs felt more like a marketing narrative than a real tech talk. It felt really defensive and awkward. Not necessary.
Holy hell though on the PS5 SSD!!! It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
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Cerny wasn't wrong to point out the difference in efficiency with GCN and RDNA but the few moments of downplaying TFs felt more like a marketing narrative than a real tech talk. It felt really defensive and awkward. Not necessary.
Holy hell though on the PS5 SSD!!! It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
Devs
DirectStorage – DirectStorage is an all new I/O system designed specifically for gaming to unleash the full performance of the SSD and hardware decompression. It is one of the components that comprise the Xbox Velocity Architecture. Modern games perform asset streaming in the background to continuously load the next parts of the world while you play, and DirectStorage can reduce the CPU overhead for these I/O operations from multiple cores to taking just a small fraction of a single core; thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better physics or more NPCs in a scene. This newest member of the DirectX family is being introduced with Xbox Series X and we plan to bring it to Windows as well.
On paper.
Also collectively you could say that the XSX overall could be a bigger leap.
We have to wait and see.