I've been on the "both above $500 USD" train for awhile. Those SSD's man... And GPUs that don't exist yet in the PC space.
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Side-by-side official next gen flagship specs: Xbox Series X and PS5 spec sheets
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I'll likely get both consoles anyway but pretty disappointed in what we have learnt so far with PS5. I was really hoping that I could use the PS5 for multiplat titles as I've invested in their ecosystem but if it means having the best experience elsewhere then the XSX will probably cater to that and the PS5 for just exclusives. Bit of a shame.
the presentation specifically stated they run boost mode 100% of the time.
Oh I'm sure both will perform great, though more power is always better of course. Just since I'm not super well versed in these things, what is it that the ps5 does more intelligently?
if they ran 100% of the time there'd be no need for variable frequency
The specs are a little low but I kind of expected it as Microsoft seemed to know that they had the better numbers. I can't believe all the talk in here of Sony lost or loses based on these specs.
The consoles are relatively close but unless Microsoft steps up their games department their software needs some of the boosts that the hardware got.
The consoles are relatively close but unless Microsoft steps up their games department their software needs some of the boosts that the hardware got.
Since we are using decimals, shouldn't we update XsX to 12.16 TF?
people like to hear what they want
the variable is for demanding games (like God of War) don't make the console a jet engine and overheat.
In the BEST CASE scenario (for the PS5) the XSX has 18% better flop performance. And that's in the theoretical situation where the PS5 can sustain full boost clock indefinitely. Which it won't. The worst case scenario is probably very close to the GH leak, so around 9.2TF. In that scenario the XSX is around 31% ahead. The average case might be somewhere in-between. The XSX also has a faster CPU and faster memory (for its main pool of GPU memory).
All of this will show up in 3rd party games, no doubt about it. The SSD advantage of the PS5 can really only be used optimally in exclusives (which I'm sure will be amazing).
Looking like I need to get both of these to get the best of both worlds. Was hoping the PS5 would be all I needed.
I've said this before, but the problem I had with the presentation was that it felt very low budget and cheesey. A tech talk is fine, I love listening to Cerny and love detailed tech talks, but it was bad in terms of the presentation.
Dimly lit, fake crowd outlines, back backgrounds, etc.
I still need to see more (price, rumored Silent Hills in the PS5 launch window?) before I can make my mind up.
But on balance, the Series X looks like the more desirable spec sheet. I can't see multiplatform devs targetting stuff that only works at the PS5 speeds, when the SX speeds are already far above what they've been stuck with.
However, just like with PS3 and Xbox One (OG) exclusives are still going to look fantastic, no matter how multiplatform games shake out.
But on balance, the Series X looks like the more desirable spec sheet. I can't see multiplatform devs targetting stuff that only works at the PS5 speeds, when the SX speeds are already far above what they've been stuck with.
However, just like with PS3 and Xbox One (OG) exclusives are still going to look fantastic, no matter how multiplatform games shake out.
I partly agree with him. It is as if you go to the appliance store and they try to explain to you how the technology behind the incredible new refrigerator you want to buy works. Maybe if you are an engineer you may be interested but 99% of the public will only be interested in questions of "How big is it, how much does it cool and how much does it consume?"
This is totally blowing my mind when I noticed the GPU wasn't a locked frequency. I never participated in the Github argument, but in the past month the "Github is wrong" group was pretty aggressive whenever someone brought it up.
They apparently don't function like normal boost clocks. Apparently they will clock down depending on workload instead of heat.
Do we know the BOM?
I'm not sure if Sony just upclocked from 9TF to 10.3TF like that. Wouldnt that require a redesign of the cooling system?
About SSD, thats also because SSD has never been really taking advantage of consoles. Cerny touched on this in the presentation too, saying that installing a SSD in a PS4 might only result in a 2x faster loading time in God of War, while the SSD is capable of much more. This is because the other components in the PS4 are bottlenecks, and cant take full advantage of the SSD speeds.
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Which sounds really awful. That's gonna make demanding 3rd party games look noticeably worse (or less smooth) on PS5.
But also, he said that it will downclock when many large instructions (256 bit) are used, because apparently it can't run as fast with those? Don't really know how that works.
He made it sound like they can use that ultrafast SSD memory to augment the gigarams memory? Any tech person can confirm?
In what way? Both next gen consoles are much closer to each other than the One X and PS4 Pro are, other than that SSD.
He's right about less RT cores (intersection engines). Tying that to Sony not menitioning pathtracing is just speculation.
we never push the limits, even now on xbox and PS4, there can always be more performance pushed out of those machines. but for us a stable framerate is king. either cap it at 30, or 60 but the game could run higher at times. thats is why comparing TF's is such a dumb thing. It never works out like the spec sheet in real life situations.
Because Cerny mentioned it will run on it for most of the time and will underclock when it isnt required. People are jumping gun without any data. Let DF handle it.
Why was Jason saying these consoles were "extremely close" when apparently he didn't actually know? Weird.
That's what it sounds like.
Were we given any specific information on CPU clock speeds with SMT?
It don't work that way since certain parts of the GPU scale with speed.
That not to say PS5 is better but it's not as clear cut as that .
I don't think comparing the numbers (especially the Teraflops *groan*) paints the bigger picture here. If you listened and understood what Cerny discussed, PS5's edge is not to be seen in teraflops. As I have said in another thread, As long as PS5 reaches 4k on a consistent fps, who cares if the teraflops are lower if it manages that.
That SSD seems like a technical marvel and will be a huge boon to the PS5.
People like looking at the numbers but there is more to it than that.
That SSD seems like a technical marvel and will be a huge boon to the PS5.
People like looking at the numbers but there is more to it than that.
